Does the USA need more socialism or less socialism?

[JonKoch]

Yeah, the US tended to its interests. You have a problem with that?

Pointing out CORPORATE socialism is all Cupcake

 

[Mashmont]

Less corporate socialism.

No such thing unless you were a green company during 0bama and Biden.

 

[pknopp]

No such thing unless you were a green company during 0bama and Biden.

McFeely: Trump turned farmers into welfare-dependent socialists

 

[Mashmont]

McFeely: Trump turned farmers into welfare-dependent socialists

Oh. I thought you said corporations. Not some little guy with a pitchfork

 

[JonKoch]

No such thing unless you were a green company during 0bama and Biden.

Weird Musk hates Gov't, it's the only reason Tesla succeeded


As of early 2026, the second Trump administration has adopted an unprecedented industrial strategy, securing equity stakes or structured deals in at least 11 companies

 

[Robert W]

Hayek, for one, also criticized corporate scams, and also had good things to say about Christianity. He agreed with Henry George that without a strong moral and cultural base no amount of ideological rubbish will succeed. Of course, the Randian sociopaths and psychopaths like to cherry pick what he and Adam Smith both had to say about laissez faires' inherent weaknesses. Hayek pointed out the similarities socialist corporatism and 'private' corporatism share, and of course these days we can note the enthusiasm with which big international corporations and Wall Street embrace the Red Chinese model. Hayek gives a lot more credit to Christianity for the success of western democracy and economic progress than most left and right wingers like to acknowledge.

Very puzzling the points, you extract from Hayek. Do you realize when a bird's wings are clipped off, it can't fly?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Very puzzling the points, you extract from Hayek. Do you realize when a bird's wings are clipped off, it can't fly?

I read his books. The Fatal Conceit is one where he points out Christianity as a major boost. He's an atheist, so it's not like he's some evangelical just making speeches. Hegel hated religion and Christianity, but he also considered it by far the most advanced theology of all of them. In fact many real intellectuals admit the postiive roles it plays in western culture.

Why do you think its a puzzle? The Randian amorality many 'libertarians' and right wingers espouse is just sociopathic fantasy. It has a lot more in common with Marxism than any other ideology.

Adam Smith also points out why merchants and capitalists aren't to be trusted to maintain free markets, as they will inevitably attempt to rig them.

I don't need to extract anything; they write very clearly and aren't obtuse.

 

[Robert W]

I read his books. The Fatal Conceit is one where he points out Christianity as a major boost. He's an atheist, so it's not like he's some evangelical just making speeches. Hegel hated religion and Christianity, but he also considered it by far the most advanced theology of all of them. In fact many real intellectuals admit the postiive roles it plays in western culture.

Why do you think its a puzzle? The Randian amorality many 'libertarians' and right wingers espouse is just sociopathic fantasy. It has a lot more in common with Marxism than any other ideology.

Adam Smith also points out why merchants and capitalists aren't to be trusted to maintain free markets, as they will inevitably attempt to rig them.

I don't need to extract anything; they write very clearly and aren't obtuse.

Far easier to follow when one submits a document explaining what you are trying to explain. Do you have documents to show here? I took a photo of my document about Hayek and am still working on how to post it here.

 

[fncceo]

Socialism is where the Government controls the means of production

Show where that is happening

FTC, SEC, ICC, FDA, EPA, FCC, FAA, ATC …

… shall I go on?

“When buying and selling are legislated, the first thing to be bought and sold are legislators”.

— P.J. O’Rourke.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Far easier to follow when one submits a document explaining what you are trying to explain. Do you have documents to show here? I took a photo of my document about Hayek and am still working on how to post it here.

You want me to type out Hayek's entire books? Why not just read them yourself? He has a lot to say on how traditions affect free enterprises . The amoral 'greed is good' types studiously avoid the parts where they need to adopt commensurate social responsibilities along with the privileges of freedom and private property.

 

[rightwinger]

FTC, SEC, ICC, FDA, EPA, FCC, FAA, ATC …

… shall I go on?

“When buying and selling are legislated, the first thing to be bought and sold are legislators”.

— P.J. O’Rourke.

Those agencies level the playing field and protect the public

 

[Mashmont]

Those agencies level the playing field and protect the public

Who’s going to protect the public from the EPA? President Trump for one. The Supreme Court for another. These agencies get hijacked by Marxist career deep staters and weaponized against the public.

 

[rightwinger]

Who’s going to protect the public from the EPA? President Trump for one. The Supreme Court for another. These agencies get hijacked by Marxist career deep staters and weaponized against the public.

As usual, Trump is selling out the environment in favor of his wealthy friends

 

[Mashmont]

As usual, Trump is selling out the environment in favor of his wealthy friends

Wealthy friends? The EPA has screwed everybody. Ever wonder why home HVAC units have increased tenfold in price over the last 30 years? Have you wondered why treated lumber prices have skyrocketed while it falls apart within ten years and requires expensive plastic-coated screws now? That’s the EPA.

 

[SaxonJackson]

What did Mises say or Hayek say? Did Adam Smith promote socialism? We have today a good video on this subject. Keep an open mind. Bias is often wrong. Some posters tell us we are socialist now. That it is wonderful. So why do they complain over Trump? He made changes to parts, but not to all. He has cut taxes. Socialists do not cut taxes, since they worship government. This nation was not formed to love government, but for government to serve us, not so we served government as Kennedy promoted.

Trump & the Neocon Congress take $Billions of American taxpayers and send it to "less fortunate" nations around the globe. That's Socialism! The US Government takes $Billions of American taxes from the working class and gives it to career Welfare Recipients all over America. That's Socialism.

Trump's Federal Government is now investing in private corporations. That's a Socialist concept and it's taking place in Trump's America. The Federal Government now owns stocks in Intel, MP Materials, Lithium America, Trilogy Metals, US Steel, and others. This will create a monopoly with the government giving special attention to some companies at the expense of others. That is NOT "free market capitalism."

Socialist governments aim to control their mass citizenry. Trump has partnered with Palantir to create a national spy network that will intrude upon every aspect of a "free American's" life. That's a Draconian, 1984-esque goal. Kiss the Constitution goodbye.

 

[pknopp]

Wealthy friends? The EPA has screwed everybody. Ever wonder why home HVAC units have increased tenfold in price over the last 30 years? Have you wondered why treated lumber prices have skyrocketed while it falls apart within ten years and requires expensive plastic-coated screws now? That’s the EPA.

The Cuyahoga River also no longer catches fire.

 

[fncceo]

Those agencies level the playing field and protect the public

Leveling the playing field is exactly how Socialism sells itself and no matter how many times it has been tried it has never created a level field.

Most probably because human are, in many respect, not ant or bees. We will, no matter how you structure the field, use our talents, intellect, and resources to compete and succeed.

 

[rightwinger]

Wealthy friends? The EPA has screwed everybody. Ever wonder why home HVAC units have increased tenfold in price over the last 30 years? Have you wondered why treated lumber prices have skyrocketed while it falls apart within ten years and requires expensive plastic-coated screws now? That’s the EPA.

Better to destroy the environment in pursuit of short term profits
That old pressure treated lumber contained arsenic
Not something you want around your family.

 

[fncceo]

Better to destroy the environment in pursuit of short term profits

In actual fact, when a society becomes rich, it improves its environment. Because, historically, a clean environment is a luxury item.

Socialism doesn't make a society rich, it makes it "level" and you can't get to level without tearing down the peaks.

Don't believe me? Take a romantic gondola ride in The Ganges River some day.

 

[rightwinger]

In actual fact, when a society becomes rich, it improves its environment. Because, historically, a clean environment is a luxury item.

Socialism doesn't make a society rich, it makes it "level" and you can't get to level without tearing down the peaks.

Don't believe me? Take a romantic gondola ride in The Ganges River some day.


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No EPA there

I remember the trash that used to show up on our beaches