Does the USA need more socialism or less socialism?

[EMH]

LMAOROG. A John Bircher huh?

Words have meaning. If two people use the same word and define it differently, we aren't speaking the same language.


According to multiple ANTIFA the definition of "fascist" is "racist" and they offered nothing more than that....

 

[Concerned American]

LMAOROG. Sure all thanks to that. NOT to the Monroe Doctrine where the US invaded dozens of nations on behalf of Corp's, hell Hawaii became a state BECAUSE the nation of Hawaii wanted to tax sugar, so the US invaded

Run along junior. You should have spent more time in history class.
Hawaii voted overwhelmingly to become the 50th state, with at least 93% approval across all major islands in a 1959 plebiscite election. The vote was held on June 27, 1959, with 140,000 votes cast, and fewer than 8,000 rejected the Admission Act of 1959.
Wikipedia

 

[JonKoch]

Words have meaning. If two people use the same word and define it differently, we aren't speaking the same language.


According to multiple ANTIFA the definition of "fascist" is "racist" and they offered nothing more than that....

Who is Antifa? Who are YOU relying on for your definition of racism?

Personally, I believe Dementia Don feeding the birther conspiracy is a good definition of a racist

 

[Robert W]

All Republics Go Bananas

The Founding Fodder gave us representation without participation.

The fathers gave us all a Republic. Had they wished, they could have given us a Democracy. The Republic does not seek a Democracy form of Government. We all must get used to that.

 

[JonKoch]

Run along junior. You should have spent more time in history class.
Hawaii voted overwhelmingly to become the 50th state, with at least 93% approval across all major islands in a 1959 plebiscite election. The vote was held on June 27, 1959, with 140,000 votes cast, and fewer than 8,000 rejected the Admission Act of 1959.
Wikipedia

American sugar planters, backed by US troops, orchestrated the 1893 overthrow of Hawaii’s Queen Liliʻuokalani to protect their economic interests. Seeking to avoid tariffs and secure favorable trade, they seized control, leading to the Annexation of Hawaii in 1898, which solidified US dominance and the decline of the Hawaiian monarchy.

 

[Robert W]

Nothing W did was actually conservative, just the opposite, and that's why the LBJ supporters, the self proclaimed sub humans, loved all of it, because they aren't conservative either, and most who self ID with the word conservative have NO CLUE what the word means, one of two types of "American" that dumb, the other being ANTIFA.

I NEVER say conservative since it us far too broad a term to bring here. I say Democrat and Republican so anybody can see what their platforms are and agree or not agree.

 

[Concerned American]

American sugar planters, backed by US troops, orchestrated the 1893 overthrow of Hawaii’s Queen Liliʻuokalani to protect their economic interests. Seeking to avoid tariffs and secure favorable trade, they seized control, leading to the Annexation of Hawaii in 1898, which solidified US dominance and the decline of the Hawaiian monarchy.

Try again. LOL, the fact that you quote a Japanese source when it was the Japanese who were thwarted in 1893 says all that really needs to be said but since you need 'the rest of the story' read on.

Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Robert W]

American sugar planters, backed by US troops, orchestrated the 1893 overthrow of Hawaii’s Queen Liliʻuokalani to protect their economic interests. Seeking to avoid tariffs and secure favorable trade, they seized control, leading to the Annexation of Hawaii in 1898, which solidified US dominance and the decline of the Hawaiian monarchy.

But Hawaii became a state in 1959, after what you keep talking about.

 

[JonKoch]

Try again. LOL, the fact that you quote a Japanese source when it was the Japanese who were thwarted in 1893 says all that really needs to be said but since you need 'the rest of the story' read on.

Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Key Factors in the Overthrow and Annexation:

• Economic Control: By the late 19th century, descendants of American missionaries and businessmen controlled most of the land, banks, and shipping, holding immense power in Hawaii.

• Tariff Fears: The McKinley Tariff of 1890 removed the tax exemption for Hawaiian sugar, causing economic distress and making annexation to the US a desirable option to eliminate those tariffs.

• The 1893 Coup: In January 1893, a Committee of Safety, largely made up of American business leaders and led by Sanford Dole, launched a coup.

• US Military Intervention: US Minister John L. Stevens, fearing for the safety of American citizens and supporting the overthrow, ordered troops from the USS Boston to enter Honolulu to support the rebels, as documented in the Joint Resolution for Annexing the Hawaiian Islands.

• Final Annexation: While President Grover Cleveland originally opposed the move, the strategic need for a Pacific naval base during the Spanish-American War led to the official annexation in 1898.

 

[JonKoch]

But Hawaii became a state in 1959, after what you keep talking about.

The 1993 Apology Resolution by the US Congress concedes that "the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and [...] the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Hawaiian Kingdom or through a plebiscite or referendum".

 

[Concerned American]

Key Factors in the Overthrow and Annexation:

• Economic Control: By the late 19th century, descendants of American missionaries and businessmen controlled most of the land, banks, and shipping, holding immense power in Hawaii.

• Tariff Fears: The McKinley Tariff of 1890 removed the tax exemption for Hawaiian sugar, causing economic distress and making annexation to the US a desirable option to eliminate those tariffs.

• The 1893 Coup: In January 1893, a Committee of Safety, largely made up of American business leaders and led by Sanford Dole, launched a coup.

• US Military Intervention: US Minister John L. Stevens, fearing for the safety of American citizens and supporting the overthrow, ordered troops from the USS Boston to enter Honolulu to support the rebels, as documented in the Joint Resolution for Annexing the Hawaiian Islands.

• Final Annexation: While President Grover Cleveland originally opposed the move, the strategic need for a Pacific naval base during the Spanish-American War led to the official annexation in 1898.

We don't live in a vacuum, fool. Of course corporations with holdings did not want to be controlled by the Japanese. That is why seven foreign born and six domestically born citizens of the monarchy facilitated the coup and asked for US Marines to prevent the Japanese from taking the islands. SMH. STFU, and study.

 

[Robert W]

The 1993 Apology Resolution by the US Congress concedes that "the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and [...] the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Hawaiian Kingdom or through a plebiscite or referendum".

States still have a huge amount of sovereignty. CA for instance treats the Fed Government like it is the outlaw and, in many cases, refutes the Feds.

 

[Robert W]

We don't live in a vacuum, fool. Of course corporations with holdings did not want to be controlled by the Japanese. That is why seven foreign born and six domestically born citizens of the monarchy facilitated the coup and asked for US Marines to prevent the Japanese from taking the islands. SMH. STFU, and study.

I will be living in Hawaii in late July. My daughter asked me not to discuss politics there with her or her husband. His family is in WA and are devoted Democrats.

 

[Concerned American]

I will be living in Hawaii in late July. My daughter asked me not to discuss politics there with her or her husband. His family is in WA and are devoted Democrats.

WA politics is a joke. Democrat autocrats in Olympia have passed two unconstitutional bills this month. The first, a millionaire income tax which is expressly banned in the state constitution and the second, the legislature believes they can overrule the vote of the citizenry for county sheriffs by forcing regulations on who is qualified to be a county sheriff and allowing the state legislature to remove sheriffs over the popular vote which is also a violation of both the state and federal constitutions.