Does the USA need more socialism or less socialism?

[markef]

Incorrect.

John F. Kennedy first introduced the bill and after his assassination, Lyndon Johnson championed it.

The CRA was formally introduced in the House by Emanuel Cellar, a Democratic Representative from NY. In the Senate, the CRA was introduced by Michael Mansfield, a Democratic Senator from Montana.

When it came to the breakdown of who voted for the CRA:

Senate Vote Breakdown (June 19, 1964)
The historic 73–27 Senate passage broke down as follows:

• Democrats: 46 Yeas and 21 Nays
• Republicans: 27 Yeas and 6 Nays

Which Senators Voted Against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

A look at which senators voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, why opposition fell where it did, and how the vote reshaped American politics.

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Which Senators Voted Against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?​

A look at which senators voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, why opposition fell where it did, and how the vote reshaped American politics.


LegalClarity Team

Published Apr 1, 2026
Twenty-seven senators voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when the Senate passed it on June 19, 1964, by a vote of 73 to 27. Twenty-one of the “nay” votes came from Democrats, nearly all representing Southern states, and six came from Republicans whose objections centered on federal power rather than racial policy. The vote followed the longest filibuster in Senate history and the first successful cloture motion ever applied to a civil rights bill.

 

[markef]

OK, so I'll ask the question again: What was it about those canceled plans that you liked so much? Please provide examples. Thank you.

I liked the fact that before Obama Americans had the freedom to make their own choices about their health insurance purchases.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Twenty-seven senators voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when the Senate passed it on June 19, 1964, by a vote of 73 to 27. Twenty-one of the “nay” votes came from Democrats, nearly all representing Southern states, and six came from Republicans whose objections centered on federal power rather than racial policy. The vote followed the longest filibuster in Senate history and the first successful cloture motion ever applied to a civil rights bill.

So that is exactly what I said, Democrats introduced the legislation and voted for it.

Conservatives voted against it, regardless of their party.

Party labels do not sufficiently elaborate on the ideology of the opposition, meaning it wasn't across partisan lines but ideological lines. There were liberal Republicans and there were Conservative Democrats.

Conservatives, motivated by preserving Jim Crow, opposed the legislation. Conservative ideology was across both parties back then, but that is not the case today. The parties today are polarized so that there are no Liberal Republicans and there are no Conservative Democrats.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I liked the fact that before Obama Americans had the freedom to make their own choices about their health insurance purchases.

So again, what was it about those plans that you liked so much? I asked for examples, not a screed.

What parts of those plans did you like? What specific benefits? Was it the cost?

 

[Mac1958]

If our "leaders" were capable of working together like normal, professional adults, they could collaborate to identify an optimum point on the spectrum that (a) did not impede the most dynamic elements of capitalism by too much, and (b) provided a solid foundational infrastructure/safety net for citizens in the most powerful economy on the planet.

But no, we can't have that, because it's not politically advantageous to do so.

So, until further notice, the rapid decay continues. Self inflicted wound, as usual.

 

[markef]

So that is exactly what I said, Democrats introduced the legislation and voted for it.

Conservatives voted against it, regardless of their party.

Party labels do not sufficiently elaborate on the ideology of the opposition, meaning it wasn't across partisan lines but ideological lines. There were liberal Republicans and there were Conservative Democrats.

Conservatives, motivated by preserving Jim Crow, opposed the legislation. Conservative ideology was across both parties back then, but that is not the case today. The parties today are polarized so that there are no Liberal Republicans and there are no Conservative Democrats.

A far greater percentage of democrats opposed the CRA than the percentage of republicans who opposed it..

 

[markef]

So again, what was it about those plans that you liked so much? I asked for examples, not a screed.

What parts of those plans did you like? What specific benefits? Was it the cost?

I liked the lower costs of plans before Obamacare and the fact that I was not forced to buy them by armed weaponized IRS agents.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

A far greater percentage of democrats opposed the CRA than the percentage of republicans who opposed it..

Right, because as I said there were more Conservative Democrats then.

So you're being disingenuous. The split was along ideological lines, not partisan ones.

Conservatives opposed the CRA and still do today.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I liked the lower costs of plans before

But those costs grew every year at faster rates before the ACA.

That's what you liked about those plans? That their costs grew at fast rates? That's a dumb thing to like about a plan.

Obamacare and the fact that I was not forced to buy them by armed weaponized IRS agents.

But you bought it anyway, right? Why did you do that? Why did you buy any health insurance? Obviously not because of the benefits, because you liked seeing your premiums grow at faster rates. Again, a dumb thing to like.

 

[markef]

Right, because as I said there were more Conservative Democrats then.

So you're being disingenuous. The split was along ideological lines, not partisan ones.

Conservatives opposed the CRA and still do today.

I find you classifications very confusing and poorly supported

 

[markef]

But those costs grew every year at faster rates before the ACA.

That's what you liked about those plans? That their costs grew at fast rates? That's a dumb thing to like about a plan.



But you bought it anyway, right? Why did you do that? Why did you buy any health insurance? Obviously not because of the benefits, because you liked seeing your premiums grow at faster rates. Again, a dumb thing to like.

I never bought Obamacare or any other insurance. I enjoyed my God-given freedom to choose not to buy insurance.

 

[task0778]

Does the USA need more socialism or less socialism?​

IMHO, the only people who believe the US needs more socialism are those who don't really know how socialism works.

 

[rightwinger]

A far greater percentage of democrats opposed the CRA than the percentage of republicans who opposed it..

That’s because in was a North/South issue not a political issue

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I find you classifications very confusing and poorly supported

Of course you would find it confusing becuase you have no idea what you're talking about.

In 1964, there were Republicans and Democrats across the ideological spectrum. That is where the divide was. it wasn't by party then because the parties weren't polarized like they are today.

So instead of saying Democrats and Republicans voted yea/nay, it would be more accurate to say that Liberals voted yea and Conservatives voted nea.

Conservatives were and are largely "Christians". Dogmatic Christians. Now as the parties became more polarized, Conservatives gradually went to the GOP while liberals gradually went to the Democratic Party and that's why Conservatives almost entirely make up the GOP.

So there's your Southern Strategy.

Does that make it any clearer to you, or are you just being obstinate?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I never bought Obamacare or any other insurance. I enjoyed my God-given freedom to choose not to buy insurance.

But you were JUST complaining about these plans that were cancelled.

So on whose behalf were you complaining then? People who liked seeing their premiums grow at fast rates?

 

[markef]

That’s because in was a North/South issue not a political issue

You may be trying too hard to make this issue say things that are unclear. Just look at the recorded votes and you will find that a greater percentage of republicans supported the CRA than did democrats, just as more republicans favored freeing the slaves 100 years earlier than did democrats. Democrats have a long history of racism.

 

[markef]

But you were JUST complaining about these plans that were cancelled.

So on whose behalf were you complaining then? People who liked seeing their premiums grow at fast rates?

Victimized Americans, including dozens of my friends and family members, were stripped of their private health insurance and forced by democrat fascists to buy the crappy obmacare at much higher rates.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You may be trying too hard to make this issue say things that are unclear. Just look at the recorded votes and you will find that a greater percentage of republicans supported the CRA than did democrats, just as more republicans favored freeing the slaves 100 years earlier than did democrats. Democrats have a long history of racism.

Because in 1964, there were liberal Republicans.

There aren't today.

So what you are saying is inaccurate and disingenuous because you don't want to admit Conservatives were the ones who opposed the CRA and today, Conservatives are the GOP.

Party breakdown doesn't mean anything the vote on the CRA was along ideological lines with today's Conservative Republicans voting against it back when they were Conservative Democrats and Republicans.

 

[rightwinger]

You may be trying too hard to make this issue say things that are unclear. Just look at the recorded votes and you will find that a greater percentage of republicans supported the CRA than did democrats, just as more republicans favored freeing the slaves 100 years earlier than did democrats. Democrats have a long history of racism.

I deleted your fake memes

Once again you substitute a North/South issue for a Democrat/Republican issue

The South had slavery for two hundred years before the formation of the Democratic Party
It was their admitted “peculiar institution”

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Victimized Americans

You're not a victim or a child. So stop acting like one.

, including dozens of my friends and family members, were stripped of their private health insurance and forced by democrat fascists to buy the crappy obmacare at much higher rates.

OK, so what was it about those insurance plans your family members liked so much?

And again, the premiums grew at a faster rate before the ACA than after, so all you're defending are plans whose costs rose at significantly higher rates.