Does the USA need more socialism or less socialism?

[markef]

Because in 1964, there were liberal Republicans.

There aren't today.

So what you are saying is inaccurate and disingenuous because you don't want to admit Conservatives were the ones who opposed the CRA and today, Conservatives are the GOP.

Party breakdown doesn't mean anything the vote on the CRA was along ideological lines with today's Conservative Republicans voting against it back when they were Conservative Democrats and Republicans.

I see little significance in calling republicans or democrats liberals or conservatives when it comes to supporting legislation. Regardless of who was liberal or conservative a greater percentage of republicans supported the CRA act while a larger percentage of democrat opposed it in 1964.

 

[markef]

I deleted your fake memes

Once again you substitute a North/South issue for a Democrat/Republican issue

The South had slavery for two hundred years before the formation of the Democratic Party
It was their admitted “peculiar institution”

Which meme? The one about the racist LBJ or the one about the racist Robert Byrd?

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Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.​

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

President Lyndon Johnson meets in the White House Cabinet Room with top military and defense advisers on Oct. 31, 1968 in Washington.AP​

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Editor’s note: Readers may find some language included to be offensive.
Lyndon Johnson said the word “******” a lot.
In Senate cloakrooms and staff meetings, Johnson was practically a connoisseur of the word. According to Johnson biographer Robert Caro, Johnson would calibrate his pronunciations by region, using “nigra” with some southern legislators and “negra” with others. Discussing civil rights legislation with men like Mississippi Democrat James Eastland, who committed most of his life to defending white

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

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Was Robert Byrd a member of the KKK?




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Yes, Robert Byrd was a member and local leader of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1940s, but he later renounced the organization and publicly condemned it.​

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[markef]

You're not a victim or a child. So stop acting like one.

You claimed Obama had to force Obamacare on Americans because Americans were being victimized by insurance companies. The truth turned out to be that Americans ended up be far more victimized by Obamacare than by their private insurers.

OK, so what was it about those insurance plans your family members liked so much?

Private plans were much cheaper and better designed to meet specific needs.

 

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Which meme? The one about the racist LBJ or the one about the racist Robert Byrd?

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Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.​

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

President Lyndon Johnson meets in the White House Cabinet Room with top military and defense advisers on Oct. 31, 1968 in Washington.AP​

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Editor’s note: Readers may find some language included to be offensive.​

Lyndon Johnson said the word “******” a lot.​

In Senate cloakrooms and staff meetings, Johnson was practically a connoisseur of the word. According to Johnson biographer Robert Caro, Johnson would calibrate his pronunciations by region, using “nigra” with some southern legislators and “negra” with others. Discussing civil rights legislation with men like Mississippi Democrat James Eastland, who committed most of his life to defending white​

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Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

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Fake quote from LBJ that has been debunked
Byrd joined the KKK in his twenties and then went on to have a strong record of civil rights as a Senator
He was given a positive rating by the NAACP
People change

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I see little significance in calling republicans or democrats liberals or conservatives when it comes to supporting legislation

Well of course you see that because you don't know what you're talking about and you don't want to admit that Conservatives oppose civil rights.

So you say Democrats voted against it. Which Democrats?

The Conservative ones largely from the South, correct? Not the liberal ones from the North.

And which Republicans voted against it? The Conservative ones from the South, correct? Not the liberal Republicans from the north.

How many liberals are in the Republican Party today? How many Conservatives are in the Democratic Party today?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You claimed Obama had to force Obamacare on Americans because Americans were being victimized by insurance companies.

No, Obama had to reform health insurance because the coverage was poor, claims were denied, and premiums rose at faster rates.

The truth turned out to be that Americans ended up be far more victimized by Obamacare than by their private insurers.

How?

The ACA established 14 baseline requirements for every health insurance plan, capped deductibles, closed the Part-D donut hole, and had premiums grow at rates much slower than they did before the ACA.

rivate plans were much cheaper and better designed to meet specific needs.

No they weren't much cheaper, their premiums were growing at rates faster than they did after the ACA and how were they better designed to meet specific needs if they could just decline a claim without giving a reason why?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Private plans were much cheaper and better designed to meet specific needs.

They weren't cheaper once you factored in the deductibles and declined claims.

But how were they better designed to meet specific needs? What do you mean by that?

 

[markef]

Fake quote from LBJ that has been debunked

Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those Negroes Voting Democratic...

Executive summary The short answer: there is no reliable contemporary evidence that Lyndon B. Johnson uttered the exact line "I'll have those ******* voti...

factually.co

Executive summary

The short answer: there is no reliable contemporary evidence that Lyndon B. Johnson uttered the exact line "I'll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 100 (or 200) years"; the pungent aphorism is traceable to later, disputed accounts and popular repetition, while contemporaneous records show LBJ using both racially offensive language in private and eloquent pro‑voting‑rights rhetoric in public

Historians and fact‑checkers conclude the sensational quotation lacks corroboration and should be treated with caution.

In other words, LBJ did call blacks ******* but there seems to be no way to confirm or refute that particular quote.

Byrd joined the KKK in his twenties and then went on to have a strong record of civil rights as a Senator
He was given a positive rating by the NAACP
People change

Trump talked dirty one time with a few buddies years ago when he was younger and democrats refuse to cut him any slack. Should we cut Byrd some slack? Should we also cut Trump some slack now that we have discovered the so-called white supremacists who organized the Charlottesville rally were paid to do so by the SPLC? Many republicans and democrats have strong civil rights records but don't accept the word of the NAACP which has long demonstrated a hateful racist bias against whites.

 

[markef]

Well of course you see that because you don't know what you're talking about and you don't want to admit that Conservatives oppose civil rights.

So you say Democrats voted against it. Which Democrats?

The Conservative ones largely from the South, correct? Not the liberal ones from the North.

And which Republicans voted against it? The Conservative ones from the South, correct? Not the liberal Republicans from the north.

How many liberals are in the Republican Party today? How many Conservatives are in the Democratic Party today?

Are you somehow trying to condemn republicans who voted in favor of the CRA and justify democrats who voted against it? I cannot figure out what point you are trying to make.

 

[markef]

No, Obama had to reform health insurance because the coverage was poor, claims were denied, and premiums rose at faster rates.



How?

The ACA established 14 baseline requirements for every health insurance plan, capped deductibles, closed the Part-D donut hole, and had premiums grow at rates much slower than they did before the ACA.




No they weren't much cheaper, their premiums were growing at rates faster than they did after the ACA and how were they better designed to meet specific needs if they could just decline a claim without giving a reason why?

The ACA was a disaster then and even worse now. Very few Americans want Obamacare in spite of what Obama thought was best for them.

 

[markef]

They weren't cheaper once you factored in the deductibles and declined claims.

But how were they better designed to meet specific needs? What do you mean by that?

You should give up defending Obamacare. It died when the government money ran out. No insurance plan in US history has cost the US Treasury more money to prop up.

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What’s going on with ACA subsidies?​

After temporary Affordable Care Act subsidies expired at the end of 2025, enrollees may face higher premiums in 2026.

I think Americans who pay very little for Obamacare like it a lot while those paying huge costs for coverage resent being forced to pay the high premiums to cover their own insurance as well as sizeable portions of poor people's insurance.

 

[rightwinger]

Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those Negroes Voting Democratic...

Executive summary The short answer: there is no reliable contemporary evidence that Lyndon B. Johnson uttered the exact line "I'll have those ******* voti...

factually.co

Executive summary

The short answer: there is no reliable contemporary evidence that Lyndon B. Johnson uttered the exact line "I'll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 100 (or 200) years"; the pungent aphorism is traceable to later, disputed accounts and popular repetition, while contemporaneous records show LBJ using both racially offensive language in private and eloquent pro‑voting‑rights rhetoric in public

Historians and fact‑checkers conclude the sensational quotation lacks corroboration and should be treated with caution.

In other words, LBJ did call blacks ******* but there seems to be no way to confirm or refute that particular quote.

Trump talked dirty one time with a few buddies years ago when he was younger and democrats refuse to cut him any slack. Should we cut Byrd some slack? Should we also cut Trump some slack now that we have discovered the so-called white supremacists who organized the Charlottesville rally were paid to do so by the SPLC? Many republicans and democrats have strong civil rights records but don't accept the word of the NAACP which has long demonstrated a hateful racist bias against whites.

I grew up in the 60s. We called blacks negroes or colored.
The “N word” was considered off color but not obscene
You could often hear the word in movies and TV without an FCC violation.
LBJ grew up in West Texas in the 1920s. The “N word” was commonly used and LBJ, when talking to other Rednecks would use it. It was not that uncommon at the time.

Regardless, LBJ passed more Civil Rights legislation than any President since Lincoln

 

[Failzero]

The Marxist / Islamist alliance wants to kill us

 

[Failzero]

I grew up in the 60s. We called blacks negroes or colored.
The “N word” was considered off color but not obscene
You could often hear the word in movies and TV without an FCC violation.
LBJ grew up in West Texas in the 1920s. The “N word” was commonly used and LBJ, when talking to other Rednecks would use it. It was not that uncommon at the time.

Regardless, LBJ passed more Civil Rights legislation than any President since Lincoln

With Republican votes ( Dixiecrats voted no everytime they had a chance )

 

[markef]

I grew up in the 60s. We called blacks negroes or colored.
The “N word” was considered off color but not obscene
You could often hear the word in movies and TV without an FCC violation.
LBJ grew up in West Texas in the 1920s. The “N word” was commonly used and LBJ, when talking to other Rednecks would use it. It was not that uncommon at the time.

Regardless, LBJ passed more Civil Rights legislation than any President since Lincoln

LBJ regularly used the word "niggairs." Trump once make a joke about grabbing them by the "pu***es." Which one can be overlooked, forgiven, or unforgiven?

 

[rightwinger]

LBJ regularly used the word "niggairs." Trump once make a joke about grabbing them by the "pu***es." Which one can be overlooked, forgiven, or unforgiven?

Using the N word was common in the 50s and 60s

Assaulting women has never been common

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Are you somehow trying to condemn republicans who voted in favor of the CRA and justify democrats who voted against it? I cannot figure out what point you are trying to make.

No, I'm condemning Conservatives.

Opposition to the CRA was across ideological lines, not partisan ones.

Why is this so hard for people to grasp? The parties are polarized today, but weren't in 1964.

Conservatives voted against the CRA, and there were Conservatives in both parties, get it? There aren't Conservatives in both parties today, just one.

This has nothing to do with which party voted for it, it has to do with which ideology voted for it. Yeesh. Sometimes I feel like people are deliberately stupid because their minds are so shallow.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

The ACA was a disaster then and even worse now. Very few Americans want Obamacare in spite of what Obama thought was best for them.

You have yet to articulate how it has been a disaster. The best you can do is whine about freedumb or whatever, but you ignore the facts like how the ACA slowed the growth of premiums, eliminated the Part-D donut hole, established 14 base care minimums for every plan, capped deductibles, and extended insurance coverage to ~20-30M people who didn't have it.

The ACA also made it affordable for independent contractors to get coverage, or workers whose companies did not provide insurance benefits.

So what was the disaster?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You should give up defending Obamacare.

I will never stop defending the ACA, no matter how many vague and baseless accusations you make of it.

It died when the government money ran out.

How did it run out?

No insurance plan in US history has cost the US Treasury more money to prop up.

How much money did the ACA use to "prop up"? Actual costs, not imagined ones.

After temporary Affordable Care Act subsidies expired at the end of 2025, enrollees may face higher premiums in 2026.

So there ya go! This is what you wanted, right? You wanted higher premiums. That's what you liked about those plans before the ACA, how much they cost and how fast those costs grew. That's why I said it was dumb.

I think Americans who pay very little for Obamacare like it a lot while those paying huge costs for coverage

Who is paying huge costs for coverage?

resent being forced to pay the high premiums to cover their own insurance as well as sizeable portions of poor people's insurance.

That's not how the ACA works, dude.

People paying their premiums for insurance outside the ACA isn't how the ACA is funded.

Like you paying premiums to BCBS has nothing to do with the funding for the ACA.

 

[markef]

Using the N word was common in the 50s and 60s

Assaulting women has never been common

Talking dirty among the guys is still common.