Does the USA need more socialism or less socialism?

[AnOrangeCat]

Lee Atwater has not convinced me Bible believing Christians switched parties because they changed their minds about abolishing slavery.

It wasn't about abolishing slavery, that was already done. It was about abolishing the vestiges of Jim Crow, and Conservatives did not want to abolish those. Hence the "States' Rights" argument.

That's why Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Act with Conservative Barry Goldwater running on a platform of abolishing the Civil Rights Act as a Republican against Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Americans were stripped of their private insurance plans

Plans that did not abide by the federal regulations in the ACA were terminated and replaced with plans that did.

Those federal regulations established 14 minimums that every insurance plan had to include. That is less regulation compared to automobiles, which have about 90 minimums in order to be sold.

What was it about those plans that you liked so much? Give me an example, please. Because if it is only a cost issue, your premiums were rising at faster rates before the ACA.

and forced by socialist fascist mandate to buy the more expensive Obamacare plans.

OK, so you're saying that you got stripped of your health care plan, that you were paying high premium growth rates for, but are suddenly upset that you are required to have a health care plan that has a lower premium growth rate?

Think about that for a moment.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm ok if you want to label Christian abolitionists liberals who took issue with southern democrat promotion of slavery.

Southern CONSERVATIVE slave owners

 

[initforme]

At least Americans were not forced to pay skyrocketing costs for healthcare before Obamacare.

Again, as a nation awash in $ we can figure out a workable system.

 

[markef]

It wasn't about abolishing slavery, that was already done. It was about abolishing the vestiges of Jim Crow, and Conservatives did not want to abolish those. Hence the "States' Rights" argument.

That's why Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Act with Conservative Barry Goldwater running on a platform of abolishing the Civil Rights Act as a Republican against Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

Republicans supported civil rights legislation before democrats did and republican support for civil rights remains strong.

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans supported civil rights legislation before democrats did and republican support for civil rights remains strong.

Sad to think you have to go back 60 years to find a time when Republicans actually cared about the people

 

[markef]

Plans that did not abide by the federal regulations in the ACA were terminated and replaced with plans that did.

Those federal regulations established 14 minimums that every insurance plan had to include. That is less regulation compared to automobiles, which have about 90 minimums in order to be sold.

What was it about those plans that you liked so much? Give me an example, please. Because if it is only a cost issue, your premiums were rising at faster rates before the ACA.



OK, so you're saying that you got stripped of your health care plan, that you were paying high premium growth rates for, but are suddenly upset that you are required to have a health care plan that has a lower premium growth rate?

Think about that for a moment.

Obama prided himself on fundamentally changing America and his socialist destruction of private healthcare plans was one of his greatest achievements for the socialist agenda.

 

[markef]

Southern CONSERVATIVE slave owners

Whatever racist Christians want or wanted to call themselves they are and were not true to God.

 

[markef]

Again, as a nation awash in $ we can figure out a workable system.

Dumb democrats believe the US is awash with cash and that siphoning billions off the top by fraud will not hurt anyone. Smarter Americans realize that the US is laden with debt, not awash in cash.

 

[markef]

Sad to think you have to go back 60 years to find a time when Republicans actually cared about the people

Just because republicans want criminals dealt with does not mean they don't care about people.

 

[rightwinger]

Just because republicans want criminals dealt with does not mean they don't care about people.

OK
Show us some Republican legislation that helps working Americans more than the wealthy

 

[markef]

OK
Show us some Republican legislation that helps working Americans more than the wealthy

Why do so many poorer people envy the wealth of others who accumulate wealth by whatever means? Robbing the rich will never increase the earnings of the poor.

 

[rightwinger]

Why do so many poorer people envy the wealth of others who accumulate wealth by whatever means? Robbing the rich will never increase the earnings of the poor.

No but paying fair wages and benefits to those who create your wealth will.

They used to

 

[initforme]

Dumb democrats believe the US is awash with cash and that siphoning billions off the top by fraud will not hurt anyone. Smarter Americans realize that the US is laden with debt, not awash in cash.

So what's the solution? I guess a massive decline in population and birth rate. We are on that trajectory. Nice work.

 

[markef]

No but paying fair wages and benefits to those who create your wealth will.

They used to

In communist countries the government assigns wage rates which is certainly more repressive to economies than rates controlled by free market competition.

 

[markef]

So what's the solution? I guess a massive decline in population and birth rate. We are on that trajectory. Nice work.

A massive decline in birth rates will result in declines in production rates which translates into declines in economic vitality and prosperity.

 

[initforme]

A massive decline in birth rates will result in declines in production rates which translates into declines in economic vitality and prosperity.

Well perhaps a slow but steady decline is the trend we are seeing.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Republicans supported civil rights legislation before democrats did and republican support for civil rights remains strong.

Incorrect.

John F. Kennedy first introduced the bill and after his assassination, Lyndon Johnson championed it.

The CRA was formally introduced in the House by Emanuel Cellar, a Democratic Representative from NY. In the Senate, the CRA was introduced by Michael Mansfield, a Democratic Senator from Montana.

When it came to the breakdown of who voted for the CRA:

Senate Vote Breakdown (June 19, 1964)
The historic 73–27 Senate passage broke down as follows:

• Democrats: 46 Yeas and 21 Nays
• Republicans: 27 Yeas and 6 Nays

House of Representatives Vote Breakdown (July 2, 1964)
The House overwhelmingly approved the final Senate-amended version with a 289–126 vote:

• Democrats: 152 Yeas and 96 Nays
• Republicans: 137 Yeas and 30 Nays

Barry Goldwater, Conservative Republican Senator from Arizona, led the opposition to the bill, ultimately running for President in 1964 as the Republican nominee on a platform of repealing the CRA.

Current support for civil rights is not a Republican position. In fact, there have been several Republicans, including Rand Paul, who have called to repeal parts of the Civil Rights Act because "States' Rights".

Recently the Voting Rights Act, another landmark piece of civil rights legislation, was gutted by a partisan Republican SCOTUS in a case brought before the court by Republican Legislatures.

A basic Google search would have benefitted you here, because now you look foolish and uninformed.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Republicans supported civil rights legislation before democrats did and republican support for civil rights remains strong.

If by "support" you mean support for "States' Rights," which is the opposite of civil rights.

So no, they do not support civil rights unless it is a definition that stretches itself to include the idea of "States' Rights".

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Obama prided himself on fundamentally changing America and his socialist destruction of private healthcare plans was one of his greatest achievements for the socialist agenda.

OK, so I'll ask the question again: What was it about those canceled plans that you liked so much? Please provide examples. Thank you.