Zone1 Do most Jews believe they killed Jesus?

[surada]

A few problems here - the sanhedrin stopped capital punishment before 30AD and, from what I'm reading, Stephen was supposedly killed after that. Also, what one has to say under Jewish law to be considered a blasphemer is nothing like what Stephen seems to say. And the punishment of stoning requires pushing the naked criminal off of high place, not throw rocks at him.

What kind of high places?

 

[rosends]

What kind of high places?

the talmud in Tractate Sotah 8b writes that
> One who is liable to be executed by stoning either falls from a roof or an animal mauls him and breaks his bones. This death is similar to the experience of stoning, in which the one liable to be executed is pushed from a platform and his bones break from the impact of the fall.

Sotah 8b:14

The Gemara explains: How so? One who is liable to be executed by stoning either falls from a roof or an animal mauls him and breaks his bones. This death is...

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The height is at least (approx) 10-12 feet minimum. It could be a specially constructed platform or a building's roof.

 

[seaofnails]

today, the Jewish people have just suffered being massacred and slaughtered to the number of 6 - 8 million Jews.

this was about 70 years ago, not even a single generation has passed since this happened, there is no accurate way to determine what Jews think about Jesus in real perspective, the Jews today will keep silent, agree perfectly with the Trinitarian Translations of their Old Testament and even produce translations to batch and match up with these translations,

ones survival from mass terrorism, butchery, slaughter and extermination can be a very manipulated situation.

 

[AsherN]

today, the Jewish people have just suffered being massacred and slaughtered to the number of 6 - 8 million Jews.

this was about 70 years ago, not even a single generation has passed since this happened, there is no accurate way to determine what Jews think about Jesus in real perspective, the Jews today will keep silent, agree perfectly with the Trinitarian Translations of their Old Testament and even produce translations to batch and match up with these translations,

ones survival from mass terrorism, butchery, slaughter and extermination can be a very manipulated situation.

Sure there is. We don't Other than all the persucution carried in his name, we don't think about him.

 

[seaofnails]

a gay pride festival with live sex act in downtown Jerusalem would put Israel in favor with most of the world superpowers - protection.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

A few problems here - the sanhedrin stopped capital punishment before 30AD and, from what I'm reading, Stephen was supposedly killed after that. Also, what one has to say under Jewish law to be considered a blasphemer is nothing like what Stephen seems to say. And the punishment of stoning requires pushing the naked criminal off of high place, not throw rocks at him.

And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying: Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin. And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him; as well the stranger, as the home-born, when he blasphemeth the Name, shall be put to death. ... And Moses spoke to the children of Israel, and they brought forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stoned him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the Lord commanded Moses. - Leviticus 24: 15-23

If there be found in the midst of thee, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that doeth that which is evil in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing His covenant, and hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, or the sun, or the moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have commanded not; and it be told thee, and thou hear it, then shalt thou inquire diligently, and, behold, if it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, who have done this evil thing, unto thy gates, even the man or the woman; and thou shalt stone them with stones, that they die. - Deuteronomy 17:2-5

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Stephen died ca. 34 CE; Jesus died ca. 33 CE. They were contemporaries.

 

[theHawk]

This is the right answer. Jesus is never addressed in any Jewish service, discussion, or class.

That’s the spirit. Just never acknowledge it and it never happened.

 

[theHawk]

The Italians killed Jesus

Tortured him, beat him and crucified him

Yea of course. After the Jews captured him and delivered him to the Romans, and asked them to crucify him.

 

[theHawk]

the logical answer is NO.

Ridiculous, they demanded his death.

 

[irosie91]

Ridiculous, they demanded his death.

who demanded whose death?

 

[irosie91]

Ridiculous, they demanded his death.

the christians have been murdering jewish babies for almost 2000 years. Before that---
their roman ancestors did it------in the millions and counting for the glory of their fake
"god" (s). THUS they have formed that which in the study of psychiatry is called
"reaction formation". To ease their anxiety they have invented delusions of victimization
BY JEWS

 

[Lisa558]

That’s the spirit. Just never acknowledge it and it never happened.



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Jesus is never addressed in Jewish services and classes is because he was just another Jewish man the Romans put to death, and even if a small handful of Jews at the time called for it, it has NO bearing on Jews today. The only people who continue to bring it up are antisemites.

 

[Lisa558]

the christians have been murdering jewish babies for almost 2000 years. Before that---
their roman ancestors did it------in the millions and counting for the glory of their fake
"god" (s). THUS they have formed that which in the study of psychiatry is called
"reaction formation". To ease their anxiety they have invented delusions of victimization
BY JEWS

Excellent point. ChristIans murdered 6 million Jews just two generations ago, and yet the antisemites want to keep antisemitism alive by continuing to blame Jews for the death of ONE man 2000 years ago.

 

[irosie91]

Excellent point. ChristIans murdered 6 million Jews just two generations ago, and yet the antisemites want to keep antisemitism alive by continuing to blame Jews for the death of ONE man 2000 years ago.

IMHO---in order to understand what the NT is all about requires a bit of knowledge about
thata which was going on in "JUDEA" during the time interval described by that book and
WHO WROTE IT.

 

[Lisa558]

IMHO---in order to understand what the NT is all about requires a bit of knowledge about
thata which was going on in "JUDEA" during the time interval described by that book and
WHO WROTE IT.

The NT demonized the Jews in order to get them to abandon their religion.

 

[theHawk]

who demanded whose death?

Are you playing dumb, or really this ignorant?

The Sanhedrin captured him and tried him in the night. Found him guilty of blasphemy and threatening to destroy the temple. But under Roman law they couldn’t execute him. So they handed him over to the Romans and told them Jesus was claiming to be King of the Jews, which violates their law.

Pilate even gave the Jews the option of releasing Jesus or Barabbas. The Jews shouted for Barabbas to be freed, and the chief priests shouted for Jesus to be crucified.

The Jews demanded his death.

 

[irosie91]

today, the Jewish people have just suffered being massacred and slaughtered to the number of 6 - 8 million Jews.

this was about 70 years ago, not even a single generation has passed since this happened, there is no accurate way to determine what Jews think about Jesus in real perspective, the Jews today will keep silent, agree perfectly with the Trinitarian Translations of their Old Testament and even produce translations to batch and match up with these translations,

ones survival from mass terrorism, butchery, slaughter and extermination can be a very manipulated situation.

can you provide a translation into english? What does ".....the jews.....agree perfectly with the
trinitarian translations of .....the 'old testament' " mean?-----and "...produce translations to
batch and match up with those translations...." mean??????
I do not understand your allusion to "..... a very manipulated situation..."

 

[theHawk]

The NT demonized the Jews in order to get them to abandon their religion.

The NT told the truth about the Jews, that most ignored their own scriptures and rejected the messiah that was prophesied.

Ever since then Jews have been lying to themselves and reinventing their religion. Today most Jews claim the messiah will just be a political figure which completely contradicts their own scriptures.

 

[irosie91]

Are you playing dumb, or really this ignorant?

The Sanhedrin captured him and tried him in the night. Found him guilty of blasphemy and threatening to destroy the temple. But under Roman law they couldn’t execute him. So they handed him over to the Romans and told them Jesus was claiming to be King of the Jews, which violates their law.

Pilate even gave the Jews the option of releasing Jesus or Barabbas. The Jews shouted for Barabbas to be freed, and the chief priests shouted for Jesus to be crucified.

The Jews demanded his death.

read Constantine's version of events AGAIN-----in fact the Sanhedrin acquitted him even in that
perverted anthology of unverified writings. I am not even sure of that Barabbas story in which
the minions of the mass murdering War Lord, Constantine CLAIM that the jews had a "right'
to save ONE victim of Roman filth. Got anything to verify that idiot claim?

 

[irosie91]

The NT told the truth about the Jews, that most ignored their own scriptures and rejected the messiah that was prophesied.

Ever since then Jews have been lying to themselves and reinventing their religion. Today most Jews claim the messiah will just be a political figure which completely contradicts their own scriptures.

You got a citation to that "......the messiah will just be a political figure....." according to MOST
JEWS-------assertion ???