Zone1 You're all a bunch of Jews for the most part, whether you like it or not

[JGalt]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

 

[JLW]

Well it is no secret that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are called Abrahamic faiths. Of course, Christianity and Islam are all offshoots of Judaism. I don’t know how this is any news.

 

[candycorn]

All religion is myth. Its one of the few areas left where the US has a leadership position....the # of citizens who think some guy on a cloud controls their fate. Its little wonder that 1/2 the voting public voted for a 34X convicted felon...they’re mentally ill.

 

[JGalt]

All religion is myth. Its one of the few areas left where the US has a leadership position....the # of citizens who think some guy on a cloud controls their fate. Its little wonder that 1/2 the voting public voted for a 34X convicted felon...they’re mentally ill.

That's exactly the response I would expect from a Jew-hating anti-Semite.

 

[Kruska]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

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Obviously you don't even know the difference between a Jew (Semite) aka Hebrew and an e.g. Germanic or Celtic Christian European. Therefore Christian followers are an off-shot of Judaism - but not Jews.

Neither are Muslims Jews - but Semitic people with their own religion and history.

Shem is the biblical progenitor (ancestor) of the Semitic people, making him the father of ALL Semites. The Quran describes Abraham as a hanif (one who submits to God alone) who was neither Jew nor Christian but a Semitic monotheist who submitted to God. He is an ancestor to Prophet Muhammad through his son Ishmael, and to previous prophets through his son Isaac.

And Isaac in Islam, is revered as a righteous prophet (Ishaq) who submitted to God's will. Who is addressed as Allah and not as for Hebrews Elohim.

Therefore Jews, Christians and Moslem's pray to the same God. And everyone claims him to be only their true God.

Desert religions - ...pfffffft..

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

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Prometheus Bound

The Jews originated as a group of Aryan High IQs in Sumeria. Because of exploitation by their rulers, they abandoned practical and creative learning (The forbidden Book of Knowledge in Exodus) and spent millennia in useless theological escapism.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Obviously you don't even know the difference between a Jew (Semite) aka Hebrew and an e.g. Germanic or Celtic Christian European. Therefore Christian followers are an off-shot of Judaism - but not Jews.

Neither are Muslims Jews - but Semitic people with their own religion and history.

Shem is the biblical progenitor (ancestor) of the Semitic people, making him the father of ALL Semites. The Quran describes Abraham as a hanif (one who submits to God alone) who was neither Jew nor Christian but a Semitic monotheist who submitted to God. He is an ancestor to Prophet Muhammad through his son Ishmael, and to previous prophets through his son Isaac.

And Isaac in Islam, is revered as a righteous prophet (Ishaq) who submitted to God's will. Who is addressed as Allah and not as for Hebrews Elohim.

Therefore Jews, Christians and Moslem's pray to the same God. And everyone claims him to be only their true God.

Desert religions - ...pfffffft..

As Believable as Arnold and Danny DeVito Being Twins

Common sense should tell us that the Jews aren't Semites, because they and the Arabs have opposite personalities. In the Bible, there are clues about the ambivalent way Ishmael, representing the Arab race, is described. The most logical conclusion is that the Hebrews were captured and enslaved by an Arab tribe and forced to give up their original language.

 

[BreezeWood]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, ...

the liar and murder moses is not the only phony prophet as abraham's mental delusions as well and including all those who murdered jesus and nearly every character in their bibles et al ...

- however true as it is, all desert dwellers are the same.

 

[Cougarbear]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

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Depends on your definition of what a Jew is and what Judaism is. Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons. Judah was one of them. They were called Jews. They were those in the Southern Kingdom. Half of Benjamin was with Judah or the Jews. The other basically 10 Tribes were carried away by the Assyrians around 722BC. They did not return. They probably from there assimilated into other regions and spread around the old world. There is no indication they kept their religion as well since they were wicked and forgot their God anyways. It's stated that some may have returned and hid amongst the Jews or tribe of Judah. Like, members of Joseph's tribe. The Book of Mormon starts with a prophet of the tribe of Joseph living in Jerusalem, Lehi and his family who was told by God to leave as the Babylonians were going to conquer Judah and the Southern Kingdom. They migrated to the America's. So, the people of the America's would not have much Jewish blood or DNA in them, if any. Maybe Minor Asia where some of the 10 tribes ended up. So, you can take the "Mormon*" out of your diagram.

 

[Augustine_]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

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By that logic we're all also members of every dead religion that influenced the people who invented what was eventually called Judaism

 

[ding]

By that logic we're all also members of every dead religion that influenced the people who invented what was eventually called Judaism

Polytheism?

 

[luiza]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

Garbage . ~
Moses simply did not exist in the first few editions of the Torah .
He was simply invented as a Hero / Idiot figure to make a boring story interesting .

Sad that Jews refuse to accept simple facts that destroy their narrative .
It's probably why they function best when it comes to the manufacture of deceit and lies-- it's crept into their DNA .

Time to own up and go straight .
It's never too late to ask for forgiveness and wipe the dirty slate clean ..

The English were bad enough with their Robin Hood .
But the Moses story is really hilarious

 

[ding]

Garbage . ~
Moses simply did not exist in the first few editions of the Torah .
He was simply invented as a Hero / Idiot figure to make a boring story interesting .

Sad that Jews refuse to accept simple facts that destroy their narrative .
It's probably why they function best when it comes to the manufacture of deceit and lies-- it's crept into their DNA .

Time to own up and go straight .
It's never too late to ask for forgiveness and wipe the dirty slate clean ..

The English were bad enough with their Robin Hood .
But the Moses story is really hilarious

Yes, lot's of embellishments. That's how they made these accounts more memorable and easier to pass down. No big secret there. But something did happen. They used historical events to craft narratives that taught lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and their relationship with God. No big secret there either.

 

[Gary Seven]

I am literally 1% Ashkenazi, according to Ancestry.com.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

As Believable as Arnold and Danny DeVito Being Twins

Common sense should tell us that the Jews aren't Semites, because they and the Arabs have opposite personalities. In the Bible, there are clues about the ambivalent way Ishmael, representing the Arab race, is described. The most logical conclusion is that the Hebrews were captured and enslaved by an Arab tribe and forced to give up their original language.

Arabs are the bastard children of Abraham. Isaac's lineage was born if the Promise. Isaac's children include more tribes than Judah (Jews).
Americas 13 colonies were settled b Manassah

 

[Augustine_]

Polytheism?

Of course. The people who invented Judaism did not exist in a vacuum. They incorporated stories and ideas from much older religions and cultures. Similar to how inventors of Christianity and Islam did the same with Judaism.

 

[ding]

Of course. The people who invented Judaism did not exist in a vacuum. They incorporated stories and ideas from much older religions and cultures. Similar to how inventors of Christianity and Islam did the same with Judaism.

But not in the Joseph Smith way you probably think it was. And definitely not Christianity. That was all Jesus.

Pretty much everything from the beginning of Genesis 1 through the Patriarchal Age was an oral history. They weren't hearing about it for the first time from Moses.

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:

• The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
  • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
  • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
• Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
  • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
  • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.

In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.

 

[Augustine_]

But not in the Joseph Smith way you probably think it was. And definitely not Christianity. That was all Jesus.

Pretty much everything from the beginning of Genesis 1 through the Patriarchal Age was an oral history. They weren't hearing about it for the first time from Moses.

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:

• The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
  • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
  • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
• Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
  • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
  • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.

In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.

Did you know polytheistic religions continue to exist to this day with followers numbering in the billions? They, like every religion in history including dead ones, have/had believers who feel/felt equally strongly they were following the truth as you do. Ancient Israelites did not even invent the first known monotheistic religion. And who knows how many monotheistic religions have been lost to history?

 

[ding]

Did you know polytheistic religions continue to exist to this day with followers numbering in the billions?

No, I didn't know that and I'm not sure that is true. Hindus aren't polytheists. They are henotheists which is more akin to monotheists. Who else were you thinking about?

They, like every religion in history including dead ones, have/had believers who feel/felt equally strongly they were following the truth as you do.

Do you know how you can tell if someone is truly pursuing truth? They don't rationalize they are doing right when they are doing wrong.

But to your point, wouldn't that also apply to atheists? So doesn't this say more about humans than it does theists?

Ancient Israelites did not even invent the first known monotheistic religion. And who knows how many monotheistic religions have been lost to history?

Who did? Hindus claim it was them. But I'm not sure it matters who discovered it first. It's the logical conclusion of the evidence of existence. Or at least how existence presents itself to us.

You keep saying invented. Nothing is really invented. Everything is discovered. Everything is potential until it is made manifest by mind.

 

[rosends]

Interesting topic but the accompanying chart is highly inaccurate in certain parts.