Zone1 You're all a bunch of Jews for the most part, whether you like it or not

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The shame factor I think. We make value judgments for people who act “good” and we make other value jugments for people who act “bad”.

Ironically, Conan O’Brien and Ken Burns were just talking about this on last week’s podcast. Ken was talking about his documentary about baseball and how the guys who hit home runs often look to the heavens when they step on home plate. They never shake their fist at the heavens when they ground into a double play. If god is responsible for one, he’s responsible for the other.

I think that has more to do with giving thanks instead of credit or blame. Being thankful is a successful behavior which breeds more success.

I hear what you are saying about shame but statistically there should be some deviation. I think it's a hardwired thing. Some are hardwired such that they can't bear being wrong (i.e. shame). And others are hardwired for deceit.

 

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Why this would offend any Christian is completely beyond me. I have spent the last nearly year and a half reading the OT. I mean....yes

I agree. Jesus corrected misconceptions but kept everything else intact. Theologically speaking Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.

 

[BreezeWood]

I will agree with your assertion that, "all religion is myth," if you can name just one, extant or extinct culture that has/had created no. . "myths," of their own.

Otherwise, you need a plausible explanation why every culture on Earth, in many cases independent of each other, has had as a part of its make-up, a knowledge of the divine.

the secular u s constitution is without religion ... they are separate and distinct - where gov't conceivably will be the complete substitution for mythological religions including their bibles as the authoritative institution as intended over stylized myth.

organized (church) religion in most cases are nothing more than interpretations made by select criteria appealing to a certain group to influence others through deception - all three desert religions and their bibles.

 

[BreezeWood]

Shiksas are for practice ...

and their patriarch woman is ... ( no where in their lore - their schizophrenia ) they have no real mother - forever lost.

 

[DennisPTate]

If you believe Moses was a prophet, congratulations! Your religion is built on the foundation of the Old Testament, and as such, it is Jewish.

Do whatever you have to do to cope with this: You most likely have Jewish roots.

Both Christianity and Islam are in fact, undeniably offshoots of Judaism.

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You are correct and I do believe that the prediction of the restoration of the Lost Tribes of Israel will prove to be a vastly larger event than the majority would tend to imagine at this time.

1Then Elijah arose, a prophet like fire,

and his word burned like a torch.

2He brought a famine upon them,

and by his zeal he made them few in number.

3By the word of the Lord he shut up the heavens,

and also three times brought down fire.

4How glorious you were, Elijah, in your wondrous deeds!

Whose glory is equal to yours?

5You raised a corpse from death

and from Hades, by the word of the Most High.

6You sent kings down to destruction,

and famous men, from their sickbeds.

7You heard rebuke at Sinai

and judgements of vengeance at Horeb.

8You anointed kings to inflict retribution,

and prophets to succeed you.

9You were taken up by a whirlwind of fire,

in a chariot with horses of fire.

10At the appointed time, it is written, you are destined

to calm the wrath of God before it breaks out in fury,

to turn the hearts of parents to their children,

and to restore the tribes of Jacob.

11Happy are those who saw you

and were adorned with your love!

For we also shall surely live.

[Ecclesiasticus 48]

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[The Sage of Main Street]

But not in the Joseph Smith way you probably think it was. And definitely not Christianity. That was all Jesus.

Pretty much everything from the beginning of Genesis 1 through the Patriarchal Age was an oral history. They weren't hearing about it for the first time from Moses.

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:

• The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
  • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
  • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
• Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
  • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
  • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.

In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.

This Is Way Beyond Eweniversity Way of Thinking


And Lucifer was a twist on Prometheus, who also brought light to mankind. Because Prometheus is a deification of human creative geniuses, rejecting him as evil is more evidence that the Jews had been High IQs who got exploited by their rulers and rejected practical knowledge because of that. The forbidden Book of Knowledge represented that kind of good, not ethical good.

 

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This Is Way Beyond Eweniversity Way of Thinking


And Lucifer was a twist on Prometheus, who also brought light to mankind. Because Prometheus is a deification of human creative geniuses, rejecting him as evil is more evidence that the Jews had been High IQs who got exploited by their rulers and rejected practical knowledge because of that. The forbidden Book of Knowledge represented that kind of good, not ethical good.

I'd love to believe that but I can't get past the part where Adam and Eve were allegorically punished for not being accountable. In that tale, God didn't punish them for disobeying him. They were punished because they had an external locus of control and failed to take responsibility. So the next time you **** up and are asked, say, "hell yes, I did it."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I have never seen or heard any evidence for either mono or poly theism being our reality. Both are equally plausible to there being no deity responsible for creation at all.

"God Wouldn't Let Us Believe in Him If He Didn't Exist"


You forgot to add the belief that there was no Creation, that everything always existed and keeps changing by contact with other things.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

ruI have to “justify” not beliving in God? Wow, okay.

Take care.

Truly Divine Sentiment

As long as you don't believe in Kings, you'll go to LIberal heaven.

 

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"God Wouldn't Let Us Believe in Him If He Didn't Exist"


You forgot to add the belief that there was no Creation, that everything always existed and keeps changing by contact with other things.

Does a fish know it's wet?

If you existed in the mind of God would you know it?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Islam is an offshoot of insanity

Escapist Christianity Caused Rome's Fall

The Koran kept all the bloodthirsty desert bandits from intertribal genocide and made it easy for them to conquer the chaos that the old Roman Empire had disintegrated into.

 

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Escapist Christianity Caused Rome's Fall

The Koran kept all the bloodthirsty desert bandits from intertribal genocide and made it easy for them to conquer the chaos that the old Roman Empire had disintegrated into.

or it didn't happen.