Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

[Paradoxical#1]

- In the book of Leviticus (what you seem to be referring to) there are dozens of laws and rules outlined for the Jewish people - one rule forbids men laying with men and and another, beastiality. The act itself is what is described as an abomination, not the person. There were tribes and cities in those days that practiced the forced rape of men by other men - the laws in Leviticus outlined rules that would prevent that from happening among the Jewish people.

- God made a covenant with the Israelites after he delivered them from Egypt - they were to set their slaves free after 6-7 years. When some of the Israelites disobeyed this covenant - God punished them severely.

Jeremiah 34:

The Broken Promise. This word came to Jeremiah from the Lord after King Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to issue a proclamation of freedom for their slaves. Everyone who had Hebrew slaves, whether male or female, was to grant them freedom, and no one would be allowed to keep a fellow Jew in the state of slavery.

All of the officials and the people who entered into this agreement, swearing that they would set free their male and female slaves so that they would not again be enslaved, obeyed and granted them their freedom. Afterward, however, they changed their minds and once again forced back into slavery those to whom they had granted their freedom.

Then this word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: I made a covenant with your fathers when I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the place of slavery, saying, “Every seventh year each one of you must set free any Hebrew who has sold himself to you as a slave and has served you for six years.”

Your fathers, however, did not listen to me or obey me. Recently you repented and did what is right in my sight by proclaiming that freedom was to be given to your brethren and even making a covenant with me in the house that bears my name. Now, however, you have renounced that agreement and profaned my name when each of you took back the male and female slaves to whom you had granted freedom and forced them once again to be your slaves.

Therefore, thus says the Lord: Inasmuch as you have not obeyed me and refused to grant deliverance to your neighbors and kinsmen, now I will proclaim deliverance for you—deliverance to the sword, to plague, and to famine. I will make you an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.

I don’t believe a word of ancient nomads. Now what?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You imagined. I was not content with imagining. I insisted on reality, what was actual.

When my classmates and I were ten, no one had any problem answering any questions--even the ones the class clowns engineered. Great times with great teachers.

Can you prove to anyone what you say?

 

[skye]

Go woke go broke.....

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Go woke go broke.....

In spite of the OT saying homosexuals are an abomination and deserve death the spin of the spinmeister Catholics ignore that and say they have reached a deeper understanding of scripture and “God” didn’t really mean that.

 

[Ace Nova]

I don’t believe a word of ancient nomads. Now what?

Well then you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the God is a "monster" who hates homosexuals then say that you don't believe a word of ancient nomads. If you don't believe them, then you don't believe that God is a monster because the same nomads who you don't believe a word of are the same ones who were involved in the writings of the Bible.

 

[Meriweather]

Why an example. Faith is belief in something without evidence, how is that sane?

I take it you never read Thomas Aquinas or were taught faith based on reason? As an adult, did you ever join a Bible study group or a retreat where this was often a topic? Faith based on reason shouldn't be a surprise to any Catholic.

 

[Meriweather]

Doesn’t matter. Billions believe. They say they have the truth. Join them. Allaylh will reward all those who do. Please have faith that Mohammed was chosen. It is beautiful that you have faith in what they say. Heaven awaits, beautiful gardens, pristine lakes.

Thank you, but, for me, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. It is the Catholic faith that dropped me into the lap of God. May Muslims have that same experience through their faith in God. How has Islam drawn you closer to God?

 

[Meriweather]

They weren’t preaching nonsense.

Nor was Jesus or his Apostles and disciples.

 

[Ace Nova]

In spite of the OT saying homosexuals are an abomination and deserve death the spin of the spinmeister Catholics ignore that and say they have reached a deeper understanding of scripture and “God” didn’t really mean that.

Not quite. Pope Francis taught that judging others in a prejudicial way could be worse than what you are judging. Respecting one another is first and foremost - and part of respecting one another is not to be prejudicial against others. You can dislike the sin but should not dislike the sinner - and this is spoken about over and over again in both the Old and New Testaments.

 

[Meriweather]

Can you prove to anyone what you say?

I've presented my testimony. As I said at the beginning, you would choose not to believe and you would pass it off as something else. Seek your own experience.

 

[Meriweather]

In spite of the OT saying homosexuals are an abomination and deserve death the spin of the spinmeister Catholics ignore that and say they have reached a deeper understanding of scripture and “God” didn’t really mean that.

And if He did?

 

[ding]

You seem to always want to have your cake and eat it too. He refused to answer earlier whether the Bible both the old Tasmanian and New Testament is a word of God and now you are unsure. Either the Bible is inspired by God or it is not. Simple. There was another poster here who wasn’t even aware that God said homosexuals are an abomination and deserved death. That is in your Bible. Either you pick and choose as to what you want to be true of what God inspired or you do not believe all of it is inspired. This is what I mean about Christians where you need a questionnaire form for them to complete before discussing anything with them. Because some Christians say that everything is inspired and others say that some of it may not be and still others say that some of it is allegorical. The current tactic is to assert that the Bible was written only for that day and time. If they really was a God of the Bible, he could have simply said that homosexuals were born that way, and did not choose to be gay and that we should treat them with dignity and respect. Regarding slavery, your Bible God could have said that slavery is inhumane and a sin, and the inhabitants at that time would have stopped owning slaves if they believed in the Bible.

It only seems that way to you because you are getting schooled by me, don't like it and are looking for a way to save face.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well then you can't have it both ways. You can't say that the God is a "monster" who hates homosexuals then say that you don't believe a word of ancient nomads. If you don't believe them, then you don't believe that God is a monster because the same nomads who you don't believe a word of are the same ones who were involved in the writings of the Bible.

Ace, this is the thing. When a nonbeliever discusses the god concept with believers, it is a given that in America, the god is the Bible. In doing so, we have to refer to that entity/belief as god for short. In some cases, I do state it as the BIBLE god, but I feel that if I post that "God is a monster" most people know I am referring to the god written about by unknown nomads over centuries.

Whether or not there is an intelligence who started everything is unknown but many scientists claim that something can come from nothing. If that is the case, it most definitely blows Christianity out of the water. For this sake of argument though, let's assume there had to be an intelligence or a creator of the universe. That does not lead to a Juseo Christian god concept by a long shot.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I take it you never read Thomas Aquinas or were taught faith based on reason? As an adult, did you ever join a Bible study group or a retreat where this was often a topic? Faith based on reason shouldn't be a surprise to any Catholic.

As you now know, I am a nonbeliever. Why would I need to go to any bible study group to listen to othe pinions of others who affirm that the bible god is real?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Thank you, but, for me, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. It is the Catholic faith that dropped me into the lap of God. May Muslims have that same experience through their faith in God. How has Islam drawn you closer to God?

You should know that my comments were satire. Your beliefs are tailored by your parents, your teachers, and primarily the society in which you grew up. I use Islam because it has just as many if not more, believers than Christianity.

I would like you to refrain from lumping in a generic god in discussions as a way of saying "Oh, Islam is cool and it's just a way for humans to find MY god."

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Nor was Jesus or his Apostles and disciples.

Paul was. He invented your religion.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Not quite. Pope Francis taught that judging others in a prejudicial way could be worse than what you are judging. Respecting one another is first and foremost - and part of respecting one another is not to be prejudicial against others. You can dislike the sin but should not dislike the sinner - and this is spoken about over and over again in both the Old and New Testaments.

Pope Paul "reached a deeper understanding" that God didn't really mean what he inspired that unknown writer to write and that he decided that, after 2,000 years of denigration, ridicule and even killing homosexuials by believers was wrong?

I've presented my testimony. As I said at the beginning, you would choose not to believe and you would pass it off as something else. Seek your own experience.

If you consider "testimony" to be claims, then you have. Anyone can claim anything. It's the proof I am interested in. Many people claimed to see Elvis after he died and one swore Elvis performed a miracle when his car broke down. Would you consider that "testimony" that Elvis must have risen from the dead?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And if He did?

and if he did........he's a monster.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

It only seems that way to you because you are getting schooled by me, don't like it and are looking for a way to save face.

Holy crap. Your premises have been destroyed by me and you think I am getting schooled. You can't even answer a simple question as to whether or not your fabricated, imagined god concept inspired any or all of the Bible, and you are schooling me?? LMAO

 

[Meriweather]

As you now know, I am a nonbeliever. Why would I need to go to any bible study group to listen to othe pinions of others who affirm that the bible god is real?

If, without even attending, your conclusion it is only people voicing opinions, no need at all.

Have you ever thought about the difference between these two philosophies:

I think, therefore I am.
Humans, the talking animal. (Logos)