Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

[Leo123]

DEI = Inclusion and that is a woke ideal

‘Inclusion’ is another nebulous word that can mean many different things. Kind of like ‘climate change’…The devil’s in the details.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

‘Inclusion’ is another nebulous word that can mean many different things. Kind of like ‘climate change’…The devil’s in the details.

It means whatever the left says it means. Like a religious zealot reading into the Bible whatever they say it means,

 

[Leo123]

It means whatever the left says it means. Like a religious zealot reading into the Bible whatever they say it means,

We know what 'inclusion' means in an everyday, modern, legacy media. It means 'including' transgenders. IOW make mental illness normal in our society. What bullshit, 'inclusion' indeed.....

Oh yeah, so called 'diversity' is already baked in to a heterosexual (normal) society. No need to inject woke ejaculate into it.

How about "equity?" What a NICE word eh......Everybody is entitled to something called 'equity' which is another form of narcissistic mental illness sucking creativity like a parasite.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

We know what 'inclusion' means in an everyday, modern, legacy media. It means 'including' transgenders. IOW make mental illness normal in our society. What bullshit, 'inclusion' indeed.....

Oh yeah, so called 'diversity' is already baked in to a heterosexual (normal) society. No need to inject woke ejaculate into it.

How about "equity?" What a NICE word eh......Everybody is entitled to something called 'equity' which is another form of narcissistic mental illness sucking creativity like a parasite.

We agree on all counts.

I majored in journalism, where we were taught to go to the source, or people closest to the source. Often big name anchors on TV news are known as the "Talent." They are not the reporters who are covering stories. We also learned to watch for slants, and what is left on the cutting room floor. The same goes with historical research. One gets as close to the primary source(s) as possible. It's not that I have deference to primary sources, but rather I give more credence to primary sources. Also part of the process is to be aware of bias--both positive and negative. Next, find sources that confirm the primary source. Finally, dig up sources who are in disagreement with the main sources and why the disagreement.

Mainstream media is not close to what it used to be. Not by a mile. The anchors are hired if they are glib, controversial, of color, female, and their politics. While we do have Fox and Newsmax and a few others, liberals dominate the airwaves and have for at least two decades. Over that period we have seen montages of dozens of "News" anchors repeating identical phrases and this is delegated to them by the DNC, with the politicians also repeating the exact or nearly identical memes.

This is a thread about the pope going woke and while a story about "News" reporters of today may seem far off topic, it isn't. Where do bishops, cardinals, priests, pastors, and clergy get their talking points from? They get it from those at the top, just like CNN, MSNBS, PBS, 60 Minutes and all of MSM get their talking points from. News stations get tips from prominent politicians so they can be first with breaking stories and to keep getting those tips, they report what officials in the DNC tell them to report. Now we know why doxzens of anchors repeat the same lies with almost identical phrasing.

This is how indoctrination and brainwashing works. Get people in authority to repeat the same thing and then the commoners believe it and repeat it to their tribal members. It works in religion and politics and has been now for many centuries. We believe what we are taught to believe.

 

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Well! Color me, surprised! Who would have thought that a Christian would be so close minded.

You see what you want to see.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You see what you want to see.

I see indoctriunation and brainwashing.

 

[ding]

I see indoctriunation and brainwashing.

I'm sure you see what you want to see.

 

[Meriweather]

Where do bishops, cardinals, priests, pastors, and clergy get their talking points from?

From God and from Scripture.

This is how indoctrination and brainwashing works. Get people in authority to repeat the same thing and then the commoners believe it and repeat it to their tribal members. It works in religion and politics and has been now for many centuries. We believe what we are taught to believe.

By your definition, then instead of being instructed, taught, and trained about anything it's all brainwashing and indoctrination. My parents brainwashed/indoctrinated me into doing chores. My teachers brainwashed me and indoctrinating me into math and science. All history classes were brainwashing, all PE classes were indoctrination.

The irony of all this is that you have been using the same technique. You are here to brainwash and indoctrinate people into turning their backs on God and give up faith/religion.

Here's the difference: God/scripture gives so much good advice on getting the most out of this life and in becoming the best version of oneself possible. It points the way to a life of freedom instead a life of slavery. What has atheism given you?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

From God and from Scripture.

By your definition, then instead of being instructed, taught, and trained about anything it's all brainwashing and indoctrination. My parents brainwashed/indoctrinated me into doing chores. My teachers brainwashed me and indoctrinating me into math and science. All history classes were brainwashing, all PE classes were indoctrination.

The irony of all this is that you have been using the same technique. You are here to brainwash and indoctrinate people into turning their backs on God and give up faith/religion.

Here's the difference: God/scripture gives so much good advice on getting the most out of this life and in becoming the best version of oneself possible. It points the way to a life of freedom instead a life of slavery. What has atheism given you?

Not sure how many times I must tell you but your "God" tells me nothing nor does he give any bishops or cardinals their talking points. You are just making assertions without evidence. Don't for a second think that those religious people in authority don't meet all the time, confer with the pope, and make sure they all agree on church doctrine. It took over 300 years for those religious cultists to agree on the divinity of Jesus, a topic that you'd think was without question if you were a believer who didn't research things.

So, you allege that your "God" tells those people in authority and it took him almost 300 years to do so? In the 1960s the church fathers decided women were no longer second-class citizens that should obey their husbands? Why? Because they "reached a deeper understanding of scripture"? It took them almost 2,000 years to figure that out?

Like it or not the bishops and cardinals are just like TV anchors telling people what to believe and we humans swallow it all up because we have been conditioned for centuries to believe authority figures through evolution to survive in a hostile world. No god to it. Just survival techniques which is why the left eats up whatever the Jake Tappers and Joy Reids spout off every night.

 

[Meriweather]

Not sure how many times I must tell you but your "God" tells me nothing nor does he give any bishops or cardinals their talking points. You are just making assertions without evidence. Don't for a second think that those religious people in authority don't meet all the time, confer with the pope, and make sure they all agree on church doctrine. It took over 300 years for those religious cultists to agree on the divinity of Jesus, a topic that you'd think was without question if you were a believer who didn't research things.

So, you allege that your "God" tells those people in authority and it took him almost 300 years to do so? In the 1960s the church fathers decided women were no longer second-class citizens that should obey their husbands? Why? Because they "reached a deeper understanding of scripture"? It took them almost 2,000 years to figure that out?

Like it or not the bishops and cardinals are just like TV anchors telling people what to believe and we humans swallow it all up because we have been conditioned for centuries to believe authority figures through evolution to survive in a hostile world. No god to it. Just survival techniques which is why the left eats up whatever the Jake Tappers and Joy Reids spout off every night.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. You are all about "talking points" which you call "brainwashing."

Old Testament: God calling the Jewish people to LIVE a way of life--separately from others.

New Testament: Jesus: I am the WAY...follow me.

Try to understand: Judaism and Christianity (and most likely most other religions) is a way of living. My way of living has been fantastic. I met up with God. Life is joyful even through the toughest, most sorrowful times. Scripture, God's word, the Word Jesus are words to live by, every day. I'm close to with family, colleagues, and friends. I do things my own way, which is usually quite differently than how others normally do things. However, when my sisters want me to do things their way, I have no problem complying.

Religion/faith is a life of ACTION. It seems your way is a life of talking and telling everyone who doesn't agree with you that they are brainwashed. Seriously, it appears you are the one who is brainwashed, and that you did it to yourself.

 

[initforme]

How did the pope go "woke"? This is hilarious.

 

[Mashmont]

When did "God" change his mind that "Homosexuals were an abomination and deserved death"? Raised in the Catholic cult here and escaped. Never could figure out why we should hold beads in our hand and recite rote prayers over and over and over again. Was God hard of hearing or something?

The RCC has some rules which are difficult at first, but which lead to a great life. Atheism with its permissiveness does not lead to a great life. Interesting how these things work.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Huh, I know a lot of Catholics, and not one of them thinks Francis was a good pope. However, it should be noted that Francis did come out against the transgender agenda. He condemned "gender ideology" and transgender surgery. He also called gender ideology an "ugly theology of our time." At least he got that right.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Paradoxical#1 Post #301 Apr 28, 2025 …~… I don’t believe a word of ancient nomads.

whut I ask …~… Were you around when the Republican political party of ancient nomads was just getting started as a religious cult? Grazing on political and spiritual ignorance throughout the land. 1984.

whut I say …~… We overcame 1984 and we shall overcome again.