Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

[Meriweather]

You should know that my comments were satire. Your beliefs are tailored by your parents, your teachers, and primarily the society in which you grew up. I use Islam because it has just as many if not more, believers than Christianity.

I would like you to refrain from lumping in a generic god in discussions as a way of saying "Oh, Islam is cool and it's just a way for humans to find MY god."

And once again, you are building the Meriweather of your imaginings, certain you know how my beliefs were "tailored". Was your atheism tailored by your parents, your teachers, and society, or is it your belief you were one of the few "free thinkers"?

Look at your last witless conclusion of me: That I think people of another faith is just another way for humans to find "MY God." You haven't a clue, have you? Perhaps explore beyond the thinking of Durkheim. It's a good start, but it's not the whole story.

 

[Meriweather]

Paul was. He invented your religion.

You know so little....

 

[Meriweather]

If you consider "testimony" to be claims, then you have. Anyone can claim anything. It's the proof I am interested in. Many people claimed to see Elvis after he died and one swore Elvis performed a miracle when his car broke down. Would you consider that "testimony" that Elvis must have risen from the dead?

And that's a cop-out on your part. By definition, evidence is what that can be measured in the physical world. Venture into the spiritual realm and what you have is testimony and the evidence is how that experience has shaped physical lives. Think of it this way: Can you prove testimony was only imagined?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

If, without even attending, your conclusion it is only people voicing opinions, no need at all.

Have you ever thought about the difference between these two philosophies:

I think, therefore I am.
Humans, the talking animal. (Logos)

Look, Meriweathjer, there is zero proof that the unknown writers of the Old Testament wrote down things that your imagined God somehow inspired them to write. As far as your NT, the ONLY writer we know that did write was Paul, who (like some here that claim visions and audiences with god) CLAIMED that he had a vision that was not corroborated by anyone else. All of the other writers were unknown people writing decades after the alleged events. It would be like someone here writing about slavery as if he was there.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You know so little....

I know far more than you think I do. It is duly noted that neither you nor anyone else can effectively refute that what you and all believers believe in is PAULianity.

 

[Meriweather]

Look, Meriweathjer, there is zero proof that the unknown writers of the Old Testament wrote down things that your imagined God somehow inspired them to write. As far as your NT, the ONLY writer we know that did write was Paul, who (like some here that claim visions and audiences with god) CLAIMED that he had a vision that was not corroborated by anyone else. All of the other writers were unknown people writing decades after the alleged events. It would be like someone here writing about slavery as if he was there.

Do you believe humans are made up of body, mind, and soul/spirit? Or, do you believe humans are body and mind only?

 

[Meriweather]

I know far more than you think I do. It is duly noted that neither you nor anyone else can effectively refute that what you and all believers believe in is PAULianity.

You don't even know those behind the theory (about a hundred years ago) call it Pauline Theology, Pauline Christianity, or Gentile Christianity. Of the three names, Gentile Christianity probably comes closest, but it is still the teachings of Jesus presented to the Gentile world. Paul preached Christ, and Christ Crucified, which is why Christianity eclipses anything modern theorists decide to give a new name.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Do you believe humans are made up of body, mind, and soul/spirit? Or, do you believe humans are body and mind only?

Body and mind.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You don't even know those behind the theory (about a hundred years ago) call it Pauline Theology, Pauline Christianity, or Gentile Christianity. Of the three names, Gentile Christianity probably comes closest, but it is still the teachings of Jesus presented to the Gentile world. Paul preached Christ, and Christ Crucified, which is why Christianity eclipses anything modern theorists decide to give a new name.

He did not. He never met Jesus. The only thing he knew was what the Christians he hassled told him. He got tired of that and jumped on the bandwagon of a new religion that he could shape and create. No one else wrote a thing at that time and he knew this. He knew that no one liked the laws. We have gone over this before. He needed a new gig for the rest of the people and just declared on his own that the law died on the cross.

 

[ding]

Holy crap. Your premises have been destroyed by me and you think I am getting schooled. You can't even answer a simple question as to whether or not your fabricated, imagined god concept inspired any or all of the Bible, and you are schooling me?? LMAO

I'm happy with the record.

 

[Meriweather]

Body and mind.

The body is spacial. The mind is not. This being the case, how do they interact with one another?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I'm happy with the record.

Yes. Go figure. One who cherry picks which parts of the Bible that resonates to him and dismisses others that are problematic or he doesn’t agree with thinks he schools people on theology.

 

[Meriweather]

He did not. He never met Jesus. The only thing he knew was what the Christians he hassled told him. He got tired of that and jumped on the bandwagon of a new religion that he could shape and create. No one else wrote a thing at that time and he knew this. He knew that no one liked the laws. We have gone over this before. He needed a new gig for the rest of the people and just declared on his own that the law died on the cross.

An example of exercising the mind by jumping to conclusions. Keep in mind the same person who wrote about Paul, also wrote about Christ.

 

[Ace Nova]

Ace, this is the thing. When a nonbeliever discusses the god concept with believers, it is a given that in America, the god is the Bible. In doing so, we have to refer to that entity/belief as god for short. In some cases, I do state it as the BIBLE god, but I feel that if I post that "God is a monster" most people know I am referring to the god written about by unknown nomads over centuries.

Whether or not there is an intelligence who started everything is unknown but many scientists claim that something can come from nothing. If that is the case, it most definitely blows Christianity out of the water. For this sake of argument though, let's assume there had to be an intelligence or a creator of the universe. That does not lead to a Juseo Christian god concept by a long shot.

Now you're getting somewhere. FOR YOU the God of the Bible could seem like a monster. But for "nomadic" people, 3000+ years ago - that were already living very primitive lives - God manifested himself in a way that they would understand at the time.

If the people would follow the instructions, laws, and teaching of his prophets - truly follow them - then they would steadily evolve into more sophisticated, righteous beings. Unfortunately, many did not. They persecuted and killed many of the prophets - ignored the teachings or added dozens of their own rules to them - essentially creating a barrier between God, The teachers of the Law and the people.

Isaiah 55:

For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord.
As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts above your thoughts.

In my opinion:

Here, through the prophet Isaiah, God states that his thoughts and ways are at a "higher level". Because of this, God is wiling to forget the sins of mankind if mankind is willing to acknowledge their faults.

You can choose not to believe in God of the Bible but even by your own words - you say "there could be a higher intelligence". Without knowing it - you essentially agreed with what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah.

Jesus understood the will of the Father and taught that to his Apostles and followers. But as it was in the Old Testament days - many of his followers understood the message and teachings but others misinterpreted his teachings. His followers were persecuted and some killed.

But for the the ones who have faith and let their faith manifest itself through their thoughts, deeds and actions - they exemplify the teachings of Jesus and help fulfill the teachings of the prophets.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The body is spacial. The mind is not. This being the case, how do they interact with one another?

Over hundreds of thousands of years the mind sent electrical impulses to the body to do X. Through millions of trial and error, the animals developed survival skills when the mind sent signals to the feet, hands and eyes. This was not without many millions of animals having died before.

I am not sure what you are trying to convey.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Now you're getting somewhere. FOR YOU the God of the Bible could seem like a monster. But for "nomadic" people, 3000+ years ago - that were already living very primitive lives - God manifested himself in a way that they would understand at the time.

If the people would follow the instructions, laws, and teaching of his prophets - truly follow them - then they would steadily evolve into more sophisticated, righteous beings. Unfortunately, many did not. They persecuted and killed many of the prophets - ignored the teachings or added dozens of their own rules to them - essentially creating a barrier between God, The teachers of the Law and the people.

Isaiah 55:

For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord.
As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts above your thoughts.

In my opinion:

Here, through the prophet Isaiah, God states that his thoughts and ways are at a "higher level". Because of this, God is wiling to forget the sins of mankind if mankind is willing to acknowledge their faults.

You can choose not to believe in God of the Bible but even by your own words - you say "there could be a higher intelligence". Without knowing it - you essentially agreed with what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah.

Jesus understood the will of the Father and taught that to his Apostles and followers. But as it was in the Old Testament days - many of his followers understood the message and teachings but others misinterpreted his teachings. His followers were persecuted and some killed.

But for the the ones who have faith and let their faith manifest itself through their thoughts, deeds and actions - they exemplify the teachings of Jesus and help fulfill the teachings of the prophets.

Let me ask you a simple question. Without your BIBLE god would humans think it OK to kill, steal, rape, wear the cloth of two different animals!

 

[Meriweather]

Over hundreds of thousands of years the mind sent electrical impulses to the body to do X. Through millions of trial and error, the animals developed survival skills when the mind sent signals to the feet, hands and eyes. This was not without many millions of animals having died before.

I am not sure what you are trying to convey.

That's the brain (body) not the mind.

 

[ding]

Yes. Go figure. One who cherry picks which parts of the Bible that resonates to him and dismisses others that are problematic or he doesn’t agree with thinks he schools people on theology.

I couldn't care less what you believe or why.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

That's the brain (body) not the mind.

They are the same thing. Are you suggesting that a monkey has a brain and a separate mind?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I couldn't care less what you believe or why.

Well! Color me, surprised! Who would have thought that a Christian would be so close minded.