Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

Who does? These extreme apologetics based on an alleged different way to interpret is what apologists look for. It’s like saying fulfill means to end or complete all 613 laws, even though Jesus said the law would never pass.
 
Chimps are known to gang up on rivals, tear them limb from limb and eat them. Why is that necessary?

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Like humans to protect their own tribes and warn others the fate that awaits them. You know….like Christian’s warning non believers of the terrible consequences for a non belief. Humans elevated the monkeys tearing another tribe apart limb to limb to washing their hands of such barbaric behavior and saying the devil will do it.
 
Like humans to protect their own tribes and warn others the fate that awaits them. You know….like Christian’s warning non believers of the terrible consequences for a non belief. Humans elevated the monkeys tearing another tribe apart limb to limb to washing their hands of such barbaric behavior and saying the devil will do it.
Wait a minute YOU said this:

"I think some non-human primates are more caring. When they kill it is only to eat. "
Clearly a lie and I gave you the link to prove you are lying. Chimps kill for personal
gain, that is the definition of MURDER.
 
Wait a minute YOU said this:

"I think some non-human primates are more caring. When they kill it is only to eat. "
Clearly a lie and I gave you the link to prove you are lying. Chimps kill for personal
gain, that is the definition of MURDER.
Ok. Like humans they kill to protect their tribe and young. They don’t kill for money, sport or threaten people of dire consequences by a surrogate torture if they don’t do as they say.
 
Ok. Like humans they kill to protect their tribe and young. They don’t kill for money, sport or threaten people of dire consequences by a surrogate torture if they don’t do as they say.
Chimps MURDER for profit. They are not all caring animals. I proved it, you were wrong, just admit it and move along.
 
Chimps MURDER for profit. They are not all caring animals. I proved it, you were wrong, just admit it and move along.
LOL Leo. Good one. Monkeys murder for fun. LMAO. Where is the monkey god when you need him. Is there a monkey OT they are subject to?
 
LOL Leo. Good one. Monkeys murder for fun. LMAO. Where is the monkey god when you need him. Is there a monkey OT they are subject to?
No, I said CHIMPS kill for PROFIT. That is the very definition of MURDER. We see it by their ACTIONS not what we THINK they are thinking. You don't seem to comprehend very well.
 
No, I said CHIMPS kill for PROFIT. That is the very definition of MURDER. We see it by their ACTIONS not what we THINK they are thinking. You don't seem to comprehend very well.
Ok. I will defer to your apparent superior knowledge of lower intelligence and contention that you don’t monkey around. A point for the monkey brains.
 
Ok. I will defer to your apparent superior knowledge of lower intelligence and contention that you don’t monkey around. A point for the monkey brains.
I never mentioned intellect with regard to animals. I told you what we have OBSERVED. They have been observed ganging up on another one of them and killing that individual. We observe that the one they kill (for no observable reason), benefits the killer(s). We call that murder.
 
Who does? These extreme apologetics based on an alleged different way to interpret is what apologists look for. It’s like saying fulfill means to end or complete all 613 laws, even though Jesus said the law would never pass.
My point is that doing research entails reading numerous commentaries, early Church Fathers, Saints, current scholars, and rabbis. My comments here are from research, not my feelings.
 
I never mentioned intellect with regard to animals. I told you what we have OBSERVED. They have been observed ganging up on another one of them and killing that individual. We observe that the one they kill (for no observable reason), benefits the killer(s). We call that murder.
You are destroying the premises of Meriweather.
 
My point is that doing research entails reading numerous commentaries, early Church Fathers, Saints, current scholars, and rabbis. My comments here are from research, not my feelings.
Let me ask a serious question. Why do you give such deference to what you call the early church fathers, which was around 300-400 AD? Why are they any different from any anchor you see on mainstream TV? I just don't get this lauding and reverence for humans because they studied what another human(s) wrote and then decided among themselves which writings to keep and which to toss and that Arianism was wrong.
 

Francis Worked to Make Catholic Church More Inclusive​


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The cardinals who will choose Pope Francis' successor will have to decide whether to follow his path toward a more welcoming, global and collegial church or restore the more doctrinaire approach of his predecessors. Francis made strides in addressing the church's sexual abuse crisis and tackled its murky financial culture. He created thousands of bishops and appointed more than half of the College of Cardinals. He also reached out to Muslim leaders.

  • The cardinals are at a crossroads, deciding whether to continue Pope Francis' vision of a more inclusive and global church or revert to the traditional stance of previous popes. This choice will spark significant discussions among them.
  • Pope Francis leaves behind a complex legacy, as early hopes for a 'Francis effect' to boost church attendance in the secular West have largely not materialized, even as attendance grows in the global South.
  • While Francis made notable progress in addressing the church's sexual abuse crisis and financial issues, the future direction he set is likely to be a contentious topic among the cardinals.
  • His openness to discussing major theological issues like divorce, married priests, same-sex couples, and women's roles excited many liberal Catholics but raised concerns that a less reform-minded successor could undo these changes.
  • Francis aimed to shift the church's trajectory away from the conservative paths of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, especially in response to the latter's failure to adequately address child sexual abuse within the church.
  • Despite his progressive agenda, Francis was not afraid to confront conservative elements within the church, even dismissing high-ranking officials who resisted his vision.
  • His global outreach, particularly in engaging with Muslim leaders and addressing issues affecting vulnerable Catholic communities, was significant, but his lasting impact is likely to be seen in the church's internal structure and the bishops he appointed who align with his priorities.
I referred to being more "inclusive" as being woke. Many may disagree, but it's the truth nonetheless.

Was it worth it? Did it help spread the gospel of Christ? According to church attendance, not so much.

Politically, did it help the church? Will governments around the world, which have progressively gotten more woke themselves, now treat the Catholic church better politically? If so, is that a good thing, considering that Christ basically upset every world government on earth as well as every religious institution, causing them to put him to death?
In what was was Francis "woke"?
 
DEI = Inclusion and that is a woke ideal
When did he do that? Who did he include? Is the church allowing women in the clergy? Are they blessing gay marriages? Are they helping trans people?

Tell us, in what way did Francis go "woke".
 
Let me ask a serious question. Why do you give such deference to what you call the early church fathers, which was around 300-400 AD? Why are they any different from any anchor you see on mainstream TV? I just don't get this lauding and reverence for humans because they studied what another human(s) wrote and then decided among themselves which writings to keep and which to toss and that Arianism was wrong.
I majored in journalism, where we were taught to go to the source, or people closest to the source. Often big name anchors on TV news are known as the "Talent." They are not the reporters who are covering stories. We also learned to watch for slants, and what is left on the cutting room floor. The same goes with historical research. One gets as close to the primary source(s) as possible. It's not that I have deference to primary sources, but rather I give more credence to primary sources. Also part of the process is to be aware of bias--both positive and negative. Next, find sources that confirm the primary source. Finally, dig up sources who are in disagreement with the main sources and why the disagreement.
 
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