Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

[Meriweather]

They are the same thing. Are you suggesting that a monkey has a brain and a separate mind?

While I browse through philosophy every so often, I have only retained a smidgen of it. Look at any object in front of you. Now turn away from it and visualize it. Now think of something subjective, such as an idea.

Your body has parts. The object in front of you has parts. Both body and objects are spacial; they have parts. The brain, being part of the body, has parts, is spacial. The mind, the thinking part of you, has no parts. Idea, has no parts. The mind is not spacial, it's non-spacial. So some philosopher raised the question, How can mind/thoughts/ideas (non-spacial) interact with things that are spacial?

The brain is spacial. An idea/philosophy is not. So how does the non-spacial interact with what is spacial--because of their differences, scientifically, they should not be able to. Yet they do. Explain how something that takes up no space, no substance and by definition cannot interact with spacial objects still does.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

While I browse through philosophy every so often, I have only retained a smidgen of it. Look at any object in front of you. Now turn away from it and visualize it. Now think of something subjective, such as an idea.

Your body has parts. The object in front of you has parts. Both body and objects are spacial; they have parts. The brain, being part of the body, has parts, is spacial. The mind, the thinking part of you, has no parts. Idea, has no parts. The mind is not spacial, it's non-spacial. So some philosopher raised the question, How can mind/thoughts/ideas (non-spacial) interact with things that are spacial?

The brain is spacial. An idea/philosophy is not. So how does the non-spacial interact with what is spacial--because of their differences, scientifically, they should not be able to. Yet they do. Explain how something that takes up no space, no substance and by definition cannot interact with spacial objects still does.

That science cannot explain everything does not = a bible god. Our brains exist within our bodies just the same as a monkey brain, a dolphin brain, and even the one-celled amoeba. Those brains get impulses that tell the body how to react and those impulses are based on centuries of trial and error. The entities that got it wrong perished. Those few out of a million that got it right went on and they carried with them the atoms/cells/genes that enabled those creatures to survive above all others.

This is where fear comes in with humans and animals. The rabbit hears the snapping of a twig, which triggers a fear reaction to make him run AWAY from the sound instead of towards it because all other rabbits before him that made the mistake of running toward the sound or doing nothing perished. A primitive human tribe of say 50 living in a cave commune. The tribal elder warns the youngsters from experience to stay close because he saw rival tribal cavemen from a distance sharpening their spears and motioning towards "our" caves which are close to water and a food source. Two young men ignore the fear warning and venture away from the cave and are killed because they had no tribe with them to protect them. Their genes are extinguished because for whatever reason(s) they did not carry the appropriate number of fear genes. The other tribal members lived on.

There was no exterior "mind" involved. Just the passing down of survival genes from eons before. The most intelligent and cagey humans went on. The "fear" gene allowed them to live. This is why the Christian religion hones in on that ancient control and survival techniques.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

This doesn't make sense. It's like a fourth grader telling a first grader they don't know math because they don't know how to multiply. Have you ever read Teresa of Avila's Interior Castle? She compares the Christian journey as exploring the countless rooms of a seven story castle. Just like a fourth grader is not in the same room as a first grader exploring the world on his level, I sometimes see the different Christian denominations as the same way. We have a vast spiritual world to explore at our own pace, and all of us have more to learn.

But YOU learned the bestest.

 

[Meriweather]

That science cannot explain everything does not = a bible god. Our brains exist within our bodies just the same as a monkey brain, a dolphin brain, and even the one-celled amoeba. Those brains get impulses that tell the body how to react and those impulses are based on centuries of trial and error. The entities that got it wrong perished. Those few out of a million that got it right went on and they carried with them the atoms/cells/genes that enabled those creatures to survive above all others.

This is where fear comes in with humans and animals. The rabbit hears the snapping of a twig, which triggers a fear reaction to make him run AWAY from the sound instead of towards it because all other rabbits before him that made the mistake of running toward the sound or doing nothing perished. A primitive human tribe of say 50 living in a cave commune. The tribal elder warns the youngsters from experience to stay close because he saw rival tribal cavemen from a distance sharpening their spears and motioning towards "our" caves which are close to water and a food source. Two young men ignore the fear warning and venture away from the cave and are killed because they had no tribe with them to protect them. Their genes are extinguished because for whatever reason(s) they did not carry the appropriate number of fear genes. The other tribal members lived on.

There was no exterior "mind" involved. Just the passing down of survival genes from eons before. The most intelligent and cagey humans went on. The "fear" gene allowed them to live. This is why the Christian religion hones in on that ancient control and survival techniques.

It's likely I am not explaining the philosophers well. It goes back to how is the human animal different: Conversation, expressing ideas, all aspects of the mind/soul vs brain, and the mind has no physical form, no parts. The brain, that operates the different physical parts/organs, does have form/parts.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

It's likely I am not explaining the philosophers well. It goes back to how is the human animal different: Conversation, expressing ideas, all aspects of the mind/soul vs brain, and the mind has no physical form, no parts. The brain, that operates the different physical parts/organs, does have form/parts.

We are just a step above monkeys. How did monkeys learn to protect their young and why? How did they know how to fish for termites? With their soul?

 

[Meriweather]

But YOU learned the bestest.

Sigh. Here is what you don't understand about me. Let's start with you. Do you feel you bash/tear down Catholicism/Christianity. Do you feel you are right, that there is no God? Do you want others to understand there is not God as well?

If so, here is where we differ: I've never felt any desire/need to tear down another religion in favor of Catholicism. I will defend Catholicism, but I will not bash another faith or denomination. I do not go on the offensive, I feel no need to tear down any belief or non-belief. I present my perspective and listen to other perspectives. For me to learn the best, then someone else has had to learn the worst, and that's not a philosophy I hold.

We all learn differently, we are all have different levels of knowledge in all things. For example, while I know Judeo-Christian philosophies quite well, I have only a fleeting knowledge of philosophers such as Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Descartes, etc. ding understands science, evolution exceptionally well, while at times I have to slow down, study, and think to follow him. I have the ability to write short stories. I have no ability to write a novel.

As I explained before, over the years--because of my interest--I've spent a lot of time researching and understanding the Bible and the Catholic faith. Many people have not the time to do this, so I share what I know. ding also shares what he knows about evolution and how that merges with God/faith.

You tear down. And, as Ecclesiastes says, There is a time to build and time to tear down. I build, you tear down--and there's a time for both. Therefore, I listen to you.

 

[Meriweather]

We are just a step above monkeys. How did monkeys learn to protect their young and why? How did they know how to fish for termites? With their soul?

How do monkeys exchange thoughts about what they find beautiful and philosophical ideas? Personally, I think elephants are a better example.

The philosophers were speaking of the human mind.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Sigh. Here is what you don't understand about me. Let's start with you. Do you feel you bash/tear down Catholicism/Christianity. Do you feel you are right, that there is no God? Do you want others to understand there is not God as well?

If so, here is where we differ: I've never felt any desire/need to tear down another religion in favor of Catholicism. I will defend Catholicism, but I will not bash another faith or denomination. I do not go on the offensive, I feel no need to tear down any belief or non-belief. I present my perspective and listen to other perspectives. For me to learn the best, then someone else has had to learn the worst, and that's not a philosophy I hold.

We all learn differently, we are all have different levels of knowledge in all things. For example, while I know Judeo-Christian philosophies quite well, I have only a fleeting knowledge of philosophers such as Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Descartes, etc. ding understands science, evolution exceptionally well, while at times I have to slow down, study, and think to follow him. I have the ability to write short stories. I have no ability to write a novel.

As I explained before, over the years--because of my interest--I've spent a lot of time researching and understanding the Bible and the Catholic faith. Many people have not the time to do this, so I share what I know. ding also shares what he knows about evolution and how that merges with God/faith.

You tear down. And, as Ecclesiastes says, There is a time to build and time to tear down. I build, you tear down--and there's a time for both. Therefore, I listen to you.

If you think I do that it is because I do consider the way they gain converts is highly detrimental to humanity and lest not forget the OT says homosexuals are an abomination and that women are not equal to men and that the OT instructs people opn how to beat their slaves.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

How do monkeys exchange thoughts about what they find beautiful and philosophical ideas? Personally, I think elephants are a better example.

The philosophers were speaking of the human mind.

For the record, I don't care what philosophers muse and opine about. They disagree among themselves. The human mind is more elevated through evolution and is far more devious than the lower animals. I think some non-human primates are more caring. When they kill it is only to eat.

 

[Leo123]

The idiocy of white Republicans to continue to denigrate an inclusive agenda. White Supremacy at it's most idiotic.

Both of your "anti-woke heros" - Putin and Orban, are seeing educated young adults leaving by the millions. Putin's "wag the dog" invasion of the Ukraine, meant to distract the Russian people from the failure of their economy, has backfired and driven still more young men out of the country to avoid military service.

The nations which have thrived most, are those which are the most inclusive. "Woke" is the key to world success. White nationalism is the death of every nation trying it.

Another racist rant....^^^^^

 

[Leo123]

For the record, I don't care what philosophers muse and opine about. They disagree among themselves. The human mind is more elevated through evolution and is far more devious than the lower animals. I think some non-human primates are more caring. When they kill it is only to eat.

For the record, we really don't know what animals are thinking. In fact, we don't even know what other humans are thinking really.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

For the record, we really don't know what animals are thinking. In fact, we don't even know what other humans are thinking really.

We know how animals act and they do not kill unnecessarily. We know that they mourn. We know that they hunt in packs and therefore communicate and cooperate. We know they love their young and will fight off predators of their young ferociously. In all these regards, animals do think.

 

[Leo123]

If you think I do that it is because I do consider the way they gain converts is highly detrimental to humanity and lest not forget the OT says homosexuals are an abomination and that women are not equal to men and that the OT instructs people opn how to beat their slaves.

The way the 'Green religion' gains converts is detrimental to humanity.

The OT is correct, women are not equal to men however, you fail to see that 'equal' is a nebulous term and can mean different things such as, women are not equal to men in upper body strength. Women are not 'equal' to men in that they cannot produce sperm. Men are not equal to women in body insulation which is why they can endure cold temperatures better than men. Women are able to give birth, men can't despite what wokers want you to believe.

As far as slavery, it existed all over the world and still does only, religion is responsible for ending it in many places. At least the OT gave guidelines, if you get captured by Hamas you can throw guidelines out the window. You are trying to conflate then to now in that instance which is highly disingenuous.

 

[Meriweather]

If you think I do that it is because I do consider the way they gain converts is highly detrimental to humanity and lest not forget the OT says homosexuals are an abomination and that women are not equal to men and that the OT instructs people opn how to beat their slaves.

As I noted before, the two of us have very different perspectives of the Old Testament. To form my opinion, I go back to the original language, original author, the original audience. You read the modern English language through the lens of modern Western culture and present your opinion. I don't believe either perspective is detrimental to anyone.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The way the 'Green religion' gains converts is detrimental to humanity.

The OT is correct, women are not equal to men however, you fail to see that 'equal' is a nebulous term and can mean different things such as, women are not equal to men in upper body strength. Women are not 'equal' to men in that they cannot produce sperm. Men are not equal to women in body insulation which is why they can endure cold temperatures better than men. Women are able to give birth, men can't despite what wokers want you to believe.

As far as slavery, it existed all over the world and still does only, religion is responsible for ending it in many places. At least the OT gave guidelines, if you get captured by Hamas you can throw guidelines out the window. You are trying to conflate then to now in that instance which is highly disingenuous.

When did your god outlaw slavery and subjugation of females?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

As I noted before, the two of us have very different perspectives of the Old Testament. To form my opinion, I go back to the original language, original author, the original audience. You read the modern English language through the lens of modern Western culture and present your opinion. I don't believe either perspective is detrimental to anyone.

And you look for alternate and hidden meanings no one else agrees with. And

 

[Meriweather]

And you look for alternate and hidden meanings no one else agrees with.

No one?

 

[Leo123]

When did your god outlaw slavery and subjugation of females?

Is subjugation of females and slavery legal in America (a Judeo Christian value centered society) today?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Is subjugation of females and slavery legal in America (a Judeo Christian value centered society) today?

Humans did that. No need for any god there.

 

[Leo123]

We know how animals act and they do not kill unnecessarily. We know that they mourn. We know that they hunt in packs and therefore communicate and cooperate. We know they love their young and will fight off predators of their young ferociously. In all these regards, animals do think.

Chimps are known to gang up on rivals, tear them limb from limb and eat them. Why is that necessary?

"But a major new study of warfare in chimpanzees finds that lethal aggression can be evolutionarily beneficial in that species, rewarding the winners with food, mates, and the opportunity to pass along their genes."

https://www.science.org/content/article/why-do-chimps-kill-each-other

That looks like murder to me.