Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

[Meriweather]

You quoted Paul, a con artist and fraud who jumped on the bandwagon, CLAIMED a vision and somehow in that vision Jesus himself told him what was what. His account differs with other alleged apostles (which Paul was not). No one knows what Jesus said, especially Paul since he never met him.

Accepting what some Jew said 2,000 years ago (Paul) because of a claimed vision no one else corroborated is your choice but to say that what he said was what Jesus said is to me, beyond belief.

Note I chose a verse from Paul who was quoting someone else.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Already answered. I am Catholic and choose to be Catholic because it has drawn me closer to God. God has been a blessing throughout my life. It bothers me not if God's love is greater than my own. I rejoice in that, and attempt to further my own love.

Consider this: My sisters love me (and others). My best friend loves me (and others). If my sisters and friend love their husbands even more than they love me, why be friends?

In spite of our money disagreements, I see you as a kind hearted and loving person. Your beliefs do not match with the catholic dogma in many ways. You know this and I don’t have to tell you this. Basically, you have made up your own religion and don’t believe and that’s fine. Everyone does anyway.

 

[Meriweather]

These are your beliefs.

Obviously.

 

[Meriweather]

I do t believe Socrates was a prophet. He was a mere human. Not a god.

What has this to do with the price of tea in China? I am pointing out that Jesus is not the only person who was written about by others after-the-fact. Socrates was another. I know there are many more.

If you are interested in what many (including scientists) believe Jesus may have left behind, then look at the recent research, discoveries, and studies regarding the Shroud of Turin.

 

[Meriweather]

In spite of our money disagreements, I see you as a kind hearted and loving person. Your beliefs do not match with the catholic dogma in many ways. You know this and I don’t have to tell you this. Basically, you have made up your own religion and don’t believe and that’s fine. Everyone does anyway.

Grin. Where (choose something specific) do you think what I write does not match Catholic dogma? I have moved around a bit in my life and have intently listened to many homilies and read a lot written by Catholics. No. I have not made up my own religion. What I have done is taken from both Church and Scripture matters that pertain to my own life and have worked from there.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Grin. Where (choose something specific) do you think what I write does not match Catholic dogma? I have moved around a bit in my life and have intently listened to many homilies and read a lot written by Catholics. No. I have not made up my own religion. What I have done is taken from both Church and Scripture matters that pertain to my own life and have worked from there.

I am busy with a house renovation now and will address your response further at another time but your last sentence is the key and I think you know what I mean.

 

[Meriweather]

I am busy with a house renovation now and will address your response further at another time but your last sentence is the key and I think you know what I mean.

Actually, I haven't a clue what you mean and prefer not to guess.

 

[ding]

Damn Way the hell didn’t focus on the burning hot issues of jesus of abortion and gender. God knows that poor people and disadvantaged were never ******* mentioned in the bible.

Maybe read Leviticus 18?

 

[ding]

Tell me about all the non Christians who recorded any events about Jesus or people rising from their graves when he allegedly resurrected. The very first one was Pliny the younger in about 110 AD

No, Pliny wasn't the very first one.

Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources

Do any other ancient documents help to confirm the trustworthiness of the New Testament?

www.bethinking.org

 

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Even today millions were convinced that Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation and that Trump colluded with Russia to help the election. Therefore, whatever people believed at that time is not evidence at all. It just amounts to saying that people believed. So??

With logic like that I guess you can pretty much throw out all of the history that offends your sensibilities then.

Don't you find it strange that no rebuttals were recorded in history concerning the miracles performed by Christ or the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God? Because in the above examples you provided there were competing narratives that challenged them.

 

[otto105]

With logic like that I guess you can pretty much throw out all of the history that offends your sensibilities then.

Don't you find it strange that no rebuttals were recorded in history concerning the miracles performed by Christ or the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God? Because in the above examples you provided there were competing narratives that challenged them.

Dude, what was performed and where? Are you confusing the Christian adoption of the winter solstice festivals to be something?

 

[ding]

Dude, what was performed and where? Are you confusing the Christian adoption of the winter solstice festivals to be something?

Try to keep up.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

With logic like that I guess you can pretty much throw out all of the history that offends your sensibilities then.

Don't you find it strange that no rebuttals were recorded in history concerning the miracles performed by Christ or the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God? Because in the above examples you provided there were competing narratives that challenged them.

He referred to Christian’s and not Jesus. Yours is often repeated claim.

 

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He referred to Christian’s and not Jesus. Yours is often repeated claim.

Who? Tacitus? Incorrect. He referred to Christus. Which is Jesus. Maybe read it again a little slower.

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....[5]

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Who? Tacitus? Incorrect. He referred to Christus. Which is Jesus. Maybe read it again a little slower.

Chrest ians and not Christians. The spell check would not let me type it that way, and I didn’t catch it.

 

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Chrest ians and not Christians. The spell check would not let me type it that way, and I didn’t catch it.

Reading what Tacitus wrote there is little doubt he was speaking about Jesus.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Reading what Tacitus wrote there is little doubt he was speaking about Jesus.

Not necessarily. All he mentioned is that there were some followers of Christus. So what? That says nothing about who Christus was and no mention of divinity, resurrection.

 

[ding]

Not necessarily. All he mentioned is that there were some followers of Christus. So what? That says nothing about who Christus was and no mention of divinity, resurrection.

Seriously? You couldn't understand what Tacitus said? Did you even attempt to understand it in the context of what he was discussing?

Do you need for me to break it down for you?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Seriously? You couldn't understand what Tacitus said? Did you even attempt to understand it in the context of what he was discussing?

Do you need for me to break it down for you?

He referred to a guy named Christus.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

He referred to a guy named Christus.

Tacitus was born in 56 CE, decades after Jesus' crucifixion in around 30 CE. He had to have relied on secondhand information or hearsay from existing records or Christian sources rather than witnessing events himself. Tacitus was not around when Jesus was (allegedly) around. His writings reflect the knowledge available at the time rather than direct observation.

I sincerely hope this puts the matter to bed.