Zone1 Did Jesus come to save the Jews?

[MarcATL]

Jesus was sent to save all who are willing to hear his voice and follow Him.

Yes, as stated in John 3:16.

 

[Woodznutz]

I understand history, but the tribes united a thousand years before Jesus showed up. Jesus sent disciples all over the place to the scattered Jews, and told them to avoid the gentiles and Samaritans.
The "lost sheep" were lost spiritually, not physically. If a Jew or Israelite, if you prefer, was under the law, Jesus fulfilled it for them, regardless of locality. It wasn't until His resurrection that He told the disciples to preach His salvation to all the world.
Here it is clarified that Jesus made no distinction between the Jew and Israelite:

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the circumcised on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs.

Jesus sent the disciples to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", same folks he was sent to.

Matthew 10:

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 

[Woodznutz]

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the circumcised on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs.

Jesus abandoned the Jews after they rejected him and went only to the remnants of the northern kingdom, the house of Israel. He also sent the disciples to them as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

Did Jesus come to save the Jews?​

the simple answer is no and certainly not to save judaism something the jews found less than pleasing - nor are the false commandments by the 4th century christian bible remitted as the 1st century events would require for a religion represented by jesus - nor did jesus ever claim to be a messiah - that will never be from the heavens.

Again, get an editor who can put your thoughts into understandable terms.

 

[luiza]

Get into a church.

You need it

Other way, -- they are desperate for Cultists.
And as a bonus the losing Cultists have got themselves another Deep State choice to help,them lose even quicker
rofl .

 

[SweetSue92]

Other way, -- they are desperate for Cultists.
And as a bonus the losing Cultists have got themselves another Deep State choice to help,them lose even quicker
rofl .

Well you're apparently not a cultist then, but rather a meaningless bag of meat on a meaningless planet on the meaningless outpost of a meaningless galaxy. Doomed to destruction.

So,

I hope you're not attempting to ever do anything meaningful. Are you? Because from your worldview, what a waste of time.

 

[luiza]

Jesus didn’t appear to have had any political affiliations. Nor did his disciples, except for Simon the Zealot, of course. Why Jesus chose him, I don’t know.

What ?

Cousin John was the Zealot's spiritual guide .
Jesus took over that responsibility immediately following John's mistake --- losing his head proved too much of a handicap .
That was the way things happened in those great days of conflict
The Essene Monk was not just the quiet figure they later tried to make him look .

 

[luiza]

Well you're apparently not a cultist then, but rather a meaningless bag of meat on a meaningless planet on the meaningless outpost of a meaningless galaxy. Doomed to destruction.

So,

I hope you're not attempting to ever do anything meaningful. Are you? Because from your worldview, what a waste of time.

Seems you Cultists are not very good at holding your temper in check .
Never mind .
Jesus will look like a bad dream once full Dislosure occurs, but there are lots of Therapists who will help you regain balance and composure .
Good luck --lavender can help .

 

[SweetSue92]

Seems you Cultists are not very good at holding your temper in check .
Never mind .
Jesus will look like a bad dream once full Dislosure occurs, but there are lots of Therapists who will help you regain balance and composure .
Good luck --lavender can help .

Temper? Lavender? What are you talking about. I'm rationally talking about the consequences of your own belief system.

You are a cosmic accident, meaningless and doomed to destruction.

Argue against that from your own worldview.

 

[norwegen]

What ?

Cousin John was the Zealot's spiritual guide .
Jesus took over that responsibility immediately following John's mistake --- losing his head proved too much of a handicap .
That was the way things happened in those great days of conflict
The Essene Monk was not just the quiet figure they later tried to make him look .

The Baptist predated Christian monasticism, so I'm guessing he was not a monk. Certainly, he seemed ready for a fight, though.

Oh, he also pretty much predated the Zealot. But in the few years they were contemporaries, did they have a relationship? Can you produce the evidence?

 

[luiza]

Temper? Lavender? What are you talking about. I'm rationally talking about the consequences of your own belief system.

You are a cosmic accident, meaningless and doomed to destruction.

Argue against that from your own worldview.

Don't need to .
I am many incarnations ahead of you but annoyingly they have pushed me to help Cultists. like you progress a little faster

Come on Sue . Look inside . Not Up .

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus sent the disciples to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", same folks he was sent to.

Matthew 10:

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Then Christ became a servant, not to the circumcised, but to a few of the circumcised. So, yes to David, and no to the Joseph next to him, or vice versa? Jesus preached to both, forsaking neither. Jesus sent His southern disciples to the northern Jews because they were Jews. He made that point clear when He specifically told His disciples, no Gentiles and no Samaritans.

If Christ preferred one circumcised Jew over another, or abandoned some of the tribes, that nullifies the promises God made to the patriarchs. He didn't favor the north over the south, He Himself being from the south.
God gathered the Jews, Judah and Israel, from all over the world to Israel. And when Christ returns to keep all the Jews from being wiped off the face of the earth, He never asks them which tribe they belong to.
And what does Jesus do with the mix of the two? What is the Jew called whose mother is from the House of Judah and his father is a descendant of Manasseh? What about adoption?

Jeremiah 30:3 "For, I say, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it."

 

[luiza]

The Baptist predated Christian monasticism, so I'm guessing he was not a monk. Certainly, he seemed ready for a fight, though.

Oh, he also pretty much predated the Zealot. But in the few years they were contemporaries, did they have a relationship? Can you produce the evidence?

Dead Sea scrolls .
Then look at the second cave evidence which they have recently discovered but are desperately trying to suppress .
Of course Jesus was a full practising Essene .
Whether he was a monk or just a member is frankly incidental .
It certainly did not hinder him marrying the Magdalene later and they having two boys and a daughter .

 

[norwegen]

Dead Sea scrolls .
Then look at the second cave evidence which they have recently discovered but are desperately trying to suppress .
Of course Jesus was a full practising Essene .
Whether he was a monk or just a member is frankly incidental .
It certainly did not hinder him marrying the Magdalene later and they having two boys and a daughter .

Did you know that Essene Jews practiced celibacy? Did Jesus adopt these three children?

Saying Dead Sea scrolls doesn't really say anything. Can you cite the Dead Sea Scrolls? And would these citations jibe with the gospels?

 

[luiza]

Did you know that Essene Jews practiced celibacy? Did Jesus adopt these three children?

Saying Dead Sea scrolls doesn't really say anything. Can you cite the Dead Sea Scrolls? And would these citations jibe with the gospels?

Yes
And also everything about their very exacting protocols .
His involvement with the Essenes finished once Joseph rescued him from crucifixion and the kids came later .
It's all available if you know where to search .

I regret telling you that Jesus was more a Buddhist or Hindu versed in the Vedas .
He clearly denied being the Son of God and detested the idea of " Religion" .

But DYOR and stop being lazy .

 

[norwegen]

Yes
And also everything about their very exacting protocols .
His involvement with the Essenes finished once Joseph rescued him from crucifixion and the kids came later .
It's all available if you know where to search .

I regret telling you that Jesus was more a Buddhist or Hindu versed in the Vedas .
He clearly denied being the Son of God and detested the idea of " Religion" .

But DYOR and stop being lazy .

Ha ha ha. Your being facetious doesn't seem so intentional any more.

 

[luiza]

Ha ha ha. Your being facetious doesn't seem so intentional any more.

100% factual .
It's your problem --- if the answers upset your sensibility and Cognitive Rigidity .

Why ask, if there is zero chance of you thinking that you could possibly be a Gullible ?
Or , as we say , completely misguided and mistaken .

 

[Woodznutz]

Then Christ became a servant, not to the circumcised, but to a few of the circumcised. So, yes to David, and no to the Joseph next to him? Why would Jesus create a divide that had been erased hundreds and hundreds of years before?
When Moses, a Levite, led the captive Jews out of Egypt, did he lead just the circumcised Levites out, or Judah, or did he include the Jews from Joseph? Or was it just to free the Israelites and not the rest of the circumcised Jews? Or, just the Judah Jews and left the circumcised House of Joseph there? I do not recall any scripture where Moses separates the two.

If Christ preferred one circumcised Jew over the other, that nullifies the promises God made with the patriarchs, and throws out all the Jews but David's and the Levite's line.
God gathered the Jews, Judah and Israel, from all over the world to Israel. And when Christ returns to keep all the Jews from being wiped off the face of the earth, He never asks them which tribe they belong to.
And what does Jesus do with the mix of the two? What is the Jew called whose mother is from the House of Judah and his father is a descent of Manasseh? What about adoption?

You are assuming that all Israelites are Jews. Today only the descendants of Judah are Jews. Even the Levites, the Jewish priesthood, understand that that while they are 'Jewish' by religion they understand their ethnic tribal distinction.

Without understanding that the tribal distinctions have always existed you cannot understand the Bible. The Bible is the history and prophecies of all of the tribes of Israel, not just the Jews. You really have to read the history of Israel in the OT. Then you will get a picture of the uniqueness of each tribe.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Why would a Southern Jew send other southern Jews to preach in the north? Where was Christ when He sent them? If He abandoned the people in the South, why didn't He relocate? When the disciples were finished in the North, where did they go? South.
Christ didn't abandon the circumcised, north or south, not then, and not in the future. When He returns, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, fights for both.
I understand tribes as well as you do. I don't understand the great significance you place on the OT as it relates to the NT.
Jesus preached to the Israelite, north and the southern Jew, if that makes you feel any better. God just calls them Jacob's kids. And all twelve of the tribes make it to the New World, where all 12 tribes will be judged by the 12 disciples.

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

the twelve tribes of Israel. < That is what Jesus called them. Let's just go with that...

 

[ding]

Or was he only sent to the descendants of the other tribes of Israel?

According to hobelim Jesus was sent to divide the Jews.