Cost of Wind vs. Fossil Fuels (Montana Environmental Info center)

[abu afak]

So much for ALL of elektra's Cost and 'Dirty Wind' posts/lies.
He never puts up the Ongoing cost or Pollution of coal.
NEVER any Comparison of cost OR emissions between the two.
Just a lot of BIG NUMBERS re Wind turbines.
Wind is Cheaper than Hydroelectric dams in Montana!
This from the Montana Environmental Information Center.
(a/o 2015/2021, and Wind gets more efficient/Cheaper every Year due to Turbine efficiency improvements)

Cost of Wind vs. Fossil Fuels
Montant Environmental Energy Center

In Montana, wind energy is cost-competitive with fossil fuels, especially coal.
In fact, wind energy is Less much less expensive than coal for customers of NorthWestern Energy – the state’s largest utility.

The graph below comes from data from the Montana Public Service Commission and it compares the costs of various resources in NorthWestern’s portfolio.
The Judith Gap wind facility is about $32.11 per megawatt-hour (or 3.1 cents per kilowatt-hour) while the coal-fired Colstrip Unit 4 is about $64.55 per megawatt-hour or (6.4 cents per kilowatt hour).

Nationally, financial analyst firm Lazard found in December 2016 unsubsidized wind projects costing between $32 and $62 per megawatt-hour while coal cost between $57 and $148 per megawatt-hour.

Updated in 2021: Here’s a chart of the cost of renewable energy per megawatt hour.

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Cost of Wind vs. Fossil Fuels - MEIC

When comparing the cost of wind vs. fossil fuels its important to consider fuel costs, integration costs, operating costs, and the cost of tax incentives.

meic.org

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[excalibur]

Swedish Government Wants More Nuclear Power as Opposition Eases

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[excalibur]

Wind Power and Solar Power Aren’t Cheaper Than Coal or Natural Gas – The Heartland Institute

 

[jotathought]

So much for ALL of elektra's Cost and 'Dirty Wind' posts/lies.
He never puts up the Ongoing cost or Pollution of coal.
NEVER any Comparison of cost OR emissions between the two.
Just a lot of BIG NUMBERS re Wind turbines.
Wind is Cheaper than Hydroelectric dams!
This from the Montana Environmental Information Center.
(a/o 2015/2021, and Wind gets more efficient/Cheaper every Year due to Turbine efficiency improvements)

Cost of Wind vs. Fossil Fuels
Montant Environmental Energy Center

In Montana, wind energy is cost-competitive with fossil fuels, especially coal.
In fact, wind energy is Less much less expensive than coal for customers of NorthWestern Energy – the state’s largest utility.

The graph below comes from data from the Montana Public Service Commission and it compares the costs of various resources in NorthWestern’s portfolio.
The Judith Gap wind facility is about $32.11 per megawatt-hour (or 3.1 cents per kilowatt-hour) while the coal-fired Colstrip Unit 4 is about $64.55 per megawatt-hour or (6.4 cents per kilowatt hour).

Nationally, financial analyst firm Lazard found in December 2016 unsubsidized wind projects costing between $32 and $62 per megawatt-hour while coal cost between $57 and $148 per megawatt-hour.

Updated in 2021: Here’s a chart of the cost of renewable energy per megawatt hour.

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How many megawatts do the individual wind farms produce vs. the coal power plant?

 

[abu afak]

Wind Power and Solar Power Aren’t Cheaper Than Coal or Natural Gas – The Heartland Institute

Heartland institute is an infamous PAID Oil Lobby website
Previously started as a Shill for the Tobacco lobby.

LOL




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[Mikeoxenormous]

So much for ALL of elektra's Cost and 'Dirty Wind' posts/lies.
He never puts up the Ongoing cost or Pollution of coal.
NEVER any Comparison of cost OR emissions between the two.
Just a lot of BIG NUMBERS re Wind turbines.
Wind is Cheaper than Hydroelectric dams in Montana!
This from the Montana Environmental Information Center.
(a/o 2015/2021, and Wind gets more efficient/Cheaper every Year due to Turbine efficiency improvements)

Cost of Wind vs. Fossil Fuels
Montant Environmental Energy Center

In Montana, wind energy is cost-competitive with fossil fuels, especially coal.
In fact, wind energy is Less much less expensive than coal for customers of NorthWestern Energy – the state’s largest utility.

The graph below comes from data from the Montana Public Service Commission and it compares the costs of various resources in NorthWestern’s portfolio.
The Judith Gap wind facility is about $32.11 per megawatt-hour (or 3.1 cents per kilowatt-hour) while the coal-fired Colstrip Unit 4 is about $64.55 per megawatt-hour or (6.4 cents per kilowatt hour).

Nationally, financial analyst firm Lazard found in December 2016 unsubsidized wind projects costing between $32 and $62 per megawatt-hour while coal cost between $57 and $148 per megawatt-hour.

Updated in 2021: Here’s a chart of the cost of renewable energy per megawatt hour.

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Cost of Wind vs. Fossil Fuels - MEIC

When comparing the cost of wind vs. fossil fuels its important to consider fuel costs, integration costs, operating costs, and the cost of tax incentives.

meic.org

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My wife while driving from El Paso to San Antonio, saw a ridge line of Windmills....Bunches of them, maybe 200 or more. She said "There is no wind". So Abubu Afuck, how much energy was produced that day when not one turbine was moving?

How much stock do you have invested in the green new deal? Talk about crony capitalism, that is the worst because it will kill people when they need the energy on a really hot day and no energy is produced....

 

[abu afak]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels​

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.
Bloomberg - June 30, 2022

It’s costing more these days to build and run solar farms and wind turbines, but they’re still cheaper than power plants that rely on fossil fuels.

The costs of renewable plants are rising after years of declines due to soaring prices for materials, shipping and labor, according to a Bloomberg/NEF report. But costs for coal and natural gas-fired plants are increasing even faster as global energy prices surge following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
As a result, new onshore Wind and Solar projects cost roughly 40% Less than Coal or Gas plants built from scratch.
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Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.

www.bloomberg.com

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels​

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.

It’s costing more these days to build and run solar farms and wind turbines, but they’re still cheaper than power plants that rely on fossil fuels.

The costs of renewable plants are rising after years of declines due to soaring prices for materials, shipping and labor, according to a Bloomberg/NEF report. But costs for coal and natural gas-fired plants are increasing even faster as global energy prices surge following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
As a result, new onshore Wind and Solar projects cost roughly 40% Less than Coal or Gas plants built from scratch.
[......]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.

www.bloomberg.com

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How much does the wind cost when you factor in the fossil fuel backup you need?

 

[johngaltshrugged]

You'd have to be mentally challenged to actually believe any of this is true in the real world.

"Green energy" & net zero BS will bankrupt our country & leave us energy poor.
No spin will change that fact

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels​

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.
Bloomberg - June 30, 2022

It’s costing more these days to build and run solar farms and wind turbines, but they’re still cheaper than power plants that rely on fossil fuels.

The costs of renewable plants are rising after years of declines due to soaring prices for materials, shipping and labor, according to a Bloomberg/NEF report. But costs for coal and natural gas-fired plants are increasing even faster as global energy prices surge following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
As a result, new onshore Wind and Solar projects cost roughly 40% Less than Coal or Gas plants built from scratch.
[......]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.

www.bloomberg.com

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Maybe if Joe Biden didnt steal the 2020 election and gasoline and food prices were still where they were, your statement would be all full of shit.

 

[jotathought]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels​

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.
Bloomberg - June 30, 2022

It’s costing more these days to build and run solar farms and wind turbines, but they’re still cheaper than power plants that rely on fossil fuels.

The costs of renewable plants are rising after years of declines due to soaring prices for materials, shipping and labor, according to a Bloomberg/NEF report. But costs for coal and natural gas-fired plants are increasing even faster as global energy prices surge following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
As a result, new onshore Wind and Solar projects cost roughly 40% Less than Coal or Gas plants built from scratch.
[......]

Renewable Power Costs Rise, Just Not as Much as Fossil Fuels

Costs to build and run new solar and wind facilities are still cheaper than gas or coal plants, BNEF survey finds.

www.bloomberg.com

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What is the cost per megawatt to build a coal power plant vs. a wind turbine per megawatt of capacity? How many wind turbines are required to produce a comparable amount of energy, and how much real estate is required to support this capacity?

How about natural gas?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What is the cost per megawatt to build a coal power plant vs. a wind turbine per megawatt of capacity? How many wind turbines are required to produce a comparable amount of energy, and how much real estate is required to support this capacity?

How about natural gas?

How many birds die every year because of the windmills? These sicko environmentalist hate nature so they dont give a rats ass about the side effects of their stealing of our dollars for wind shit.

According to a study in the Wildlife Society Bulletin, every year 573,000 birds (including 83,000 raptors) and 888,000 bats are killed by wind turbines — 30 percent higher than the federal government estimated in 2009, due mainly to increasing wind power capacity across the nation.

License to Kill: Wind and Solar Decimate Birds and Bats - IER​

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/license-to-kill-wind-and-s

 

[BULLDOG]

My wife while driving from El Paso to San Antonio, saw a ridge line of Windmills....Bunches of them, maybe 200 or more. She said "There is no wind". So Abubu Afuck, how much energy was produced that day when not one turbine was moving?

How much stock do you have invested in the green new deal? Talk about crony capitalism, that is the worst because it will kill people when they need the energy on a really hot day and no energy is produced....

Can you name a single credible person or group who advocates for changing to complete wind energy production, to the exclusion of other types of energy production before our infrastructure is in place to handle it?

 

[jotathought]

How many birds die every year because of the windmills? These sicko environmentalist hate nature so they dont give a rats ass about the side effects of their stealing of our dollars for wind shit.

According to a study in the Wildlife Society Bulletin, every year 573,000 birds (including 83,000 raptors) and 888,000 bats are killed by wind turbines — 30 percent higher than the federal government estimated in 2009, due mainly to increasing wind power capacity across the nation.

License to Kill: Wind and Solar Decimate Birds and Bats - IER​

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/license-to-kill-wind-and-s

Renewable energy is a nice idea .. and it's just not a sustainable source of energy once fossil fuel development is cut off by democrats. Pretty much every form of renewable energy has an environmental consequence.

 

[BULLDOG]

How many birds die every year because of the windmills? These sicko environmentalist hate nature so they dont give a rats ass about the side effects of their stealing of our dollars for wind shit.

According to a study in the Wildlife Society Bulletin, every year 573,000 birds (including 83,000 raptors) and 888,000 bats are killed by wind turbines — 30 percent higher than the federal government estimated in 2009, due mainly to increasing wind power capacity across the nation.

License to Kill: Wind and Solar Decimate Birds and Bats - IER​

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/license-to-kill-wind-and-s

573,000 birds? That's only one bird for each 4188 birds killed by common house cats each year.


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In the United States alone, outdoor cats kill approximately 2.4 billion birds every year. Although this number may seem unbelievable, it represents the combined impact of tens of millions of outdoor cats. Each outdoor cat plays a part.

Cats and Birds | American Bird Conservancy​

American Bird Conservancy
https://abcbirds.org › Cats Indoors

 

[lennypartiv]

I get this crap is going to happen in blue states, but legislators should be held accountable when it happens in a red state.

TribCast: The rise of renewable energy in Texas​

 

[jotathought]

Can you name a single credible person or group who advocates for changing to complete wind energy production, to the exclusion of other types of energy production before our infrastructure is in place to handle it?

Complete wind energy? No .. Completely renewable energy with no fossil fuel in the next 20-ish years, and an ambitious goal of 90% by 2035? Yes - California.

 

[jotathought]

573,000 birds? That's only one bird for each 4188 birds killed by common house cats each year.


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In the United States alone, outdoor cats kill approximately 2.4 billion birds every year. Although this number may seem unbelievable, it represents the combined impact of tens of millions of outdoor cats. Each outdoor cat plays a part.

Cats and Birds | American Bird Conservancy​

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American Bird Conservancy
https://abcbirds.org › Cats Indoors

So a predator seeking its prey justifies a man-made device that introduces environmental consequences to air, land and sea?

 

[BULLDOG]

Complete wind energy? No .. Completely renewable energy with no fossil fuel in the next 20-ish years, and an ambitious goal of 90% by 2035? Yes - California.

So that is the goal, and I suspect it will be substantially reached. That didn't answer the question though. Name someone who says we should not consider sustainability before the transition is completed.

 

[jotathought]

abu afak apparently doesn't answer the cost to production comparison, especially since wind farms produce substantially less megawatts than fossil fuel equivalent, and cost as much if not more to build and maintain. The answer to the question was 135 Megawatts for the wind farm, and 1300 Megawatts for the coal power plant. Natural gas is even more efficient and costs less per Megawatt.