Zone1 Christian Wives and Submission

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Yeah, but really?

I think so.

 

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...your god is one hateful Son of a *****.

You can blame Jewish embellishment for that.

 

[SweetSue92]

Etymology: Aramaic form of the word is to serve.

We can also take a look at Proverbs 31--

POEM ON THE WOMAN OF WORTH

Who can find a woman of worth?
Far beyond jewels is her value.
Her husband trusts her judgment;
he does not lack income.

She brings him profit, not loss,
all the days of her life.
She seeks out wool and flax
and weaves with skillful hands.

Like a merchant fleet,
she secures her provisions from afar.
She rises while it is still night,
and distributes food to her household,
a portion to her maidservants.

She picks out a field and acquires it;
from her earnings she plants a vineyard.
She girds herself with strength;
she exerts her arms with vigor.

She enjoys the profit from her dealings;
her lamp is never extinguished at night.
She puts her hands to the distaff,
and her fingers ply the spindle.

She reaches out her hands to the poor,
and extends her arms to the needy.
She is not concerned for her household when it snows—
all her charges are doubly clothed.

She makes her own coverlets;
fine linen and purple are her clothing.
Her husband is prominent at the city gates
as he sits with the elders of the land.

She makes garments and sells them,
and stocks the merchants with belts.
She is clothed with strength and dignity,
and laughs at the days to come.

She opens her mouth in wisdom;
kindly instruction is on her tongue.
She watches over the affairs of her household,
and does not eat the bread of idleness.

Her children rise up and call her blessed;
her husband, too, praises her:
“Many are the women of proven worth,
but you have excelled them all.”

Charm is deceptive and beauty fleeting;
the woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.
Acclaim her for the work of her hands,
and let her deeds praise her at the city gates.

One of my fave passages of the Bible!

 

[SweetSue92]

No I agree with all that.

As for your last comment, I would suggest that while all of those things are extreme useful and important.... the Bible also shows that a good wife is a Capitalist.

Proverbs 31.

Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.

She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.

She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.

She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.

She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.

She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.

She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.

She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.

In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.

She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.

When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.

She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.

So in this passage, the desirable woman, works with hands when needed, engages in trade, acts like a merchant ship and is profitable. She considers things to do like buying a field after thinking it over, and planting a vineyard. She is caring towards the poor, prepares food for her family, and even her servants if she has any. She makes the family a home.

Interestingly, she's a Capitalist. Another example that Capitalist is everywhere in the Bible.

And honestly, that is amazingly attractive to a guy. I've seen this first hand, when I met a family, where the wife lived this out, and it was first time in my life I thought to myself that if this is what marriage is, and what having a wife is, then I would like that.

I'm not going into specific political labels here but YES the Proverbs woman is blessed in many ways! She goes into the community and enriches her family's life.

 

[Natural Citizen]

This is a very good summation. Good 'bosses' do this. Imagine a husband hovering over his wife preparing a meal, for example, if he knows squat about cooking. That's absurd, and he's being a bad 'boss'. Let her cook (literally and figuratively)!

Well. I'd just add that men are widely regarded as the better cooks.

Now. Yes, nobody wants anyone hovering over them while they're cooking.

It's far wiser and more rewarding to just grab a cold one and observe the good Lord's finest work from afar...

Praise the Lord! And God Bless America.

 

[JohnDB]

Let's talk about marital submission of Christian wives, a hot button topic .This passage from Ephesians is pertinent, followed by a verse in 1 Peter. Please keep reading after the verses for commentary:

Ephesians 22-25

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. So as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her...."

And then in Ephesians 22:33

"However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband."

1 Peter 3:7

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

A Christian wife's job is to respect the husband as yes, boss. A GOOD boss doesn't 'boss' you around because he can. The best bosses realize your value and want to optimize it. Moreover, the best bosses trust you to do your job and seek to help you do it to the best of your ability.

A Christian husband's role is to love his wife so much he would lay down his life for her, as Christ loved the church. How seriously does God take a husband's job? Well, if he's not living with his wife in understanding, God won't even hear his prayers. And this is for believers!

To wrap up, a Christian wife doesn't have to stay home, have babies, bake sourdough, grow her hair long, wear only skirts, have no opinions, refrain from voting or participating in the community, or any other thing because she is submitted. She and her husband, seeking Biblical wisdom, gets to decide how he feels respected and she feels loved.

Questions welcome!

Are you channeling Moeler from comments he has made last week?
The SBC voted on it. It passed the first round....it will die the second time though.

A help/mate is someone who is strong where you are weak. Just like God is strong where we are weak.
Exactly like that. The same word in Hebrew used.

Let's also revisit the concept of "servant leadership"....just like Jesus modeled for us.

The whole of a married couple is more than the sum...

And as far as "submission". It's not the man's job to take or force the wife to be submissive. It's all her job to give the submission.

And loving someone?
It's not about giving what you want to give....it's about giving what the other person wants to or is willing to receive. Because good gifts are ones the other person really desires and wants.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm not going into specific political labels here but YES the Proverbs woman is blessed in many ways! She goes into the community and enriches her family's life.

The Proverbs 31 woman is a symbolic representation of the Bride of Christ....not a normal woman. Because a normal woman would have died from exhaustion.

 

[Eman623]

Great, so each is essentially completely on their own.

Not even a little bit.

 

[22lcidw]

There is no god SS, my wife does NOT walk behind me. She stands next to me, you might think about that.

We will see if money is ever reduced how that theory goes. The inner cities have 80% single parents going on. Ain't no one walking behind or standing next to them. Of course, there are over 80 social programs and private side goodies. The taxpayer's and consumers are not spouses, they are sucker daddies. Ghettoites are even taking cruises. We see the fight s all the time in public places. Yeah...the Commie Mommies. Soon enough you will be spouting...Turn on zee ovens to those you hate.

 

[Unkotare]

... The inner cities have 80% single parents going on. ...

Where did you get that percentage? Just made it up? Thought so.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Your wife or a significant other is supposed to be the wind in your sails, not the anchor chain around your neck

If she's an anchor chain around your neck and drowning you I don't know what to tell you.

 

[sparky]

i had read the biblical translation of marriage was 'one flesh'

somehow that looses the submissive part to me.....

~S~

 

[Unkotare]

Your wife or a significant other is supposed to be the wind in your sails, not the anchor chain around your neck

If she's an anchor chain around your neck and drowning you I don't know what to tell you.

Swim harder.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Swim harder.

that's what a lot of men wind up doing, indeed

 

[HikerGuy83]

There is no god SS, my wife does NOT walk behind me. She stands next to me, you might think about that.

You might just try thinking, in general.

What was posted was a question asking for discussion.

Not some brain-dead turd like the one you delivered.

That you have a wife is scary.

 

[HikerGuy83]

No, but it sure would be nice.

(only kidding)

Women are superior in just about every way.

If a woman chooses to do those things....I hope that is her choice because she'll do a bang up job and her work is FAR MORE IMPORTANT in terms of it's lasting effects than going to an office.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So what happens when you disagree over a decision?

I think his wife is fictional.

 

[luiza]

Hey! Nobody told you that you could speak!

Tribal Misogynists and soft headed Cultists coming out of the woodwork .

 

[SaxonJackson]

The "Feminist" movement and their war against family and God's plan is one of the many problems with America.

It's the difference between this:

And this:

 

[SweetSue92]

The Proverbs 31 woman is a symbolic representation of the Bride of Christ....not a normal woman. Because a normal woman would have died from exhaustion.

It's hyperbole in my opinion, but not that far of a stretch. The Good Wife/Woman:

--takes care of her household
--is charitable
--chips in when necessary
--is generally happy and optimistic
--her family loves her, and calls her blessed

I certainly don't consider that to be an impossible standard, though I can't do all the things at all the times....