Zone1 Christendom's Trinity - Where Did It Come From?

[Cougarbear]

You really need a Bible:
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

Michael is one of the chief or arch princes or angel. Jesus (Jehovah) is the Prince. So, what’s your point?

 

[Alter2Ego]

Is the trinity scripture based?

No, it is not, ding.

The Trinitarians isolate verses that appear to prove Trinity, but the context (surrounding words, verses, and chapters) contradict their cherry-picked words every single time. Even after they are shown the context, they persist on using the same string of words that they've cherry-picked from the Bible.


Alter2Ego

 

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No, it is not, ding.

The Trinitarians isolate verses that appear to prove Trinity, but the context (surrounding words, verses, and chapters) contradict their cherry-picked words every single time. Even after they are shown the context, they persist on using the same string of words that they've cherry-picked from the Bible.


Alter2Ego

Yes, the doctrine of the Trinity, which states that God exists as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) yet is one, is based on scripture. While the word "Trinity" itself isn't explicitly used in the Bible, the concept of God as a triune being is derived from various passages that describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in ways that suggest a unified yet distinct Godhead.

 

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1 John 5:7:
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This verse is often cited as the most explicit mention of the Trinity, stating, "For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."

 

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John 1:1-18:
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This passage describes the deity of Christ (the Word) and his pre-existence with God, highlighting the unity and distinctness of the Son from the Father.

 

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Matthew 3:16-17:
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This verse describes Jesus' baptism, where the Father's voice, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are all present and acting.

 

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Matthew 28:19
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Jesus' Great Commission includes instructions to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

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Old Testament hints:
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While the full revelation of the Trinity is more explicit in the New Testament, some Old Testament passages are interpreted as hinting at a triune God, such as Genesis 1:26, which speaks of "Let us make man in our image".

 

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Explanation of the Trinity:

• One God: The Bible consistently affirms the oneness of God.
  
  
• Three Persons: The Trinity doctrine asserts that God is not just one being, but exists as three distinct persons, each with their own roles and characteristics.
  
  
• Shared Divinity: Each person of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is fully God.
  
  
• Interrelationship: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are inseparably related and work together in unity to fulfill God's purposes.
  

In summary, while the concept of the Trinity isn't explicitly named in the Bible, it is clearly revealed and supported through various passages that describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons while remaining one God.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Yes, the doctrine of the Trinity, which states that God exists as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) yet is one, is based on scripture. While the word "Trinity" itself isn't explicitly used in the Bible, the concept of God as a triune being is derived from various passages that describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in ways that suggest a unified yet distinct Godhead.

There are no scriptures that support Christendom's Trinity god, ding. The doctrine of triune gods existed for centuries before Jesus can to earth in the 1st Century C.E. The dogma was introduced into Christendom in the 3rd Century C.E., some 300 years after Jesus left the earthly scene. That is a historical fact.

Yes, the doctrine of the Trinity, which states that God exists as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) yet is one, is based on scripture. While the word "Trinity" itself isn't explicitly used in the Bible, the concept of God as a triune being is derived from various passages that describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in ways that suggest a unified yet distinct Godhead.

The word godhead is a fabricated word that showed up for the first time in an English translation--get this--1500 years after the Bible was written.

Alter2Ego

 

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There are no scriptures that support Christendom's Trinity god, ding. The doctrine of triune gods existed for centuries before Jesus can to earth in the 1st Century C.E. The dogma was introduced into Christendom in the 3rd Century C.E., some 300 years after Jesus left the earthly scene. That is a historical fact.


The word godhead is a fabricated word that showed up for the first time in an English translation--get this--1500 years after the Bible was written.

Alter2Ego

1 John 5:7
John 1:1-18
Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 28:19

#winning

 

[Alter2Ego]

1 John 5:7:
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This verse is often cited as the most explicit mention of the Trinity, stating, "For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."

ding:

1 John 5:7 is a verse that was manipulated by Trinitarian translators and kept going by the King James Version. As many sources confirm, "this passage is found in no original Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century."

"1 John 5:7 – Interpolation
It is abundantly clear that the King James translation made a serious mistake here, for this passage is found in no original Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century. Its inclusion probably resulted from a scribe inadvertently incorporating a marginal comment (gloss) into the text as he copied the manuscript we find a similar incorporation in the ancient Samarkand Qur'ān :"
1 John 5:7 – Interpolation | Unchanging Word


So it's no surprise that you won't find that wording in most Bibles today because the majority of Bible translators realize the words are fabrications that don't belong in the Bible.

Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

John 1:1-18:
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This passage describes the deity of Christ (the Word) and his pre-existence with God, highlighting the unity and distinctness of the Son from the Father.

ding:

Nowhere in the entire John chapter 1 is there anything stated that supports the Trinitarian claim, when one pays attention to context.

Suppose you quote the exact verses, within your next post, and show the rest of us where it indicates Jesus is in a trinity with his father Jehovah.

Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Matthew 28:19
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Jesus' Great Commission includes instructions to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

ding:

Are you saying that the mere mention of three entities in the same sentence means they are combined into a single god?

Let's use you, as an example. If someone was to mention you, your biological father, and something owned by your father in the same sentence, would you expect them to believe that you and your father and your father's possession are combined into a single person?


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Matthew 3:16-17:
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This verse describes Jesus' baptism, where the Father's voice, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are all present and acting.

ding:

I will quote those verses since this time there are only two.

Matthew 3:16​

After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.

Matthew 3:17​

Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”


Now, suppose you explain to those reading this thread how the mere mention of Jesus, his heavenly father (Jehovah), and something his heavenly father owns (the holy spirit) indicates they are combined into a single trinity god.


Be sure and compare that with yourself, your biological father, and something owned by your father, the idea being that you are all three the same human being because you and your biological father and your father's possession showed up at the same time.



Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Old Testament hints:
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While the full revelation of the Trinity is more explicit in the New Testament, some Old Testament passages are interpreted as hinting at a triune God, such as Genesis 1:26, which speaks of "Let us make man in our image".

ding:

There were millions of angelic sons in existence when those words at Genesis 1:26 were spoken by Jehovah. He was talking to one of them, the one that came to be known as Jesus.


Alter2Ego

 

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Your arguments have been weighed and measured and found to be lacking.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Explanation of the Trinity:

• One God: The Bible consistently affirms the oneness of God.
  
• Three Persons: The Trinity doctrine asserts that God is not just one being, but exists as three distinct persons, each with their own roles and characteristics.
  
  
• Shared Divinity: Each person of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is fully God.
  
  
• Interrelationship: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are inseparably related and work together in unity to fulfill God's purposes.

In summary, while the concept of the Trinity isn't explicitly named in the Bible, it is clearly revealed and supported through various passages that describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons while remaining one God.

Well, ding, at least you got one right, namely, "The bible consistently affirms the oneness of God."


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Your arguments have been weighed and measured and found to be lacking.

ding:

It's not my problem that you can't cope with being debunked. None of your cherry-picked verses support Christendom's 3-in-1 god.


Alter2Ego

 

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ding:

It's not my problem that you can't cope with being debunked. None of your cherry-picked verses support Christendom's 3-in-1 god.


Alter2Ego

I'm happy with the record. Your opinion is shared with a tiny number of people. Mine is shared by billions.