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The Churches that followed like the Catholic Church and the rest never once held the Priesthood of John. Instead, they held the priesthood of Satan.

No, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) does not officially teach that the Catholic Church is the "priesthood of Satan." While early LDS theology viewed other Christian denominations as part of a general apostasy, modern LDS leaders generally view Catholics as fellow Christians and respect them as part of the broader Christian tradition.
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• Official Position: The LDS Church does not teach that the Catholic Church is the "priesthood of Satan." Such a claim is not part of their doctrine.
• Historical View: Early in the history of the LDS movement, there was harsh rhetoric regarding other Christian denominations, sometimes referring to them as part of an "apostate" or "false" church, but this was rarely a specific, exclusive targeting of the Catholic Church as "Satan's priesthood".
• Modern Relations: In modern times, the LDS Church often works with Catholic charities and leaders, emphasizing shared values, such as strengthening families and religious freedom, and recognizes Catholics as fellow followers of Jesus Christ.
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The LDS belief is that the authority to act in God's name (the priesthood) was lost from the earth and restored through Joseph Smith, but they do not define other churches as being directly led by Satan.

 

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Very cute but did not understand that John and the Three Nephites would not carry on the Church of Jesus Christ in those early days to 1830. There mission was to keep hope alive amongst men so that the world would not fall into the state of Noah where the world could not be saved and another flood would be needed. The Priesthood would not be given from John to anyone. So, the concept again is that the Apostles hold the Authority of the Priesthood to run the Church of Jesus Christ. That was lost when John was translated. In fact, it was mostly lost before then as Apostles were killed and not replaced. The Churches that followed like the Catholic Church and the rest never once held the Priesthood of John. Instead, they held the priesthood of Satan.

The belief that the Apostle John is still alive originates primarily from a misunderstanding of Jesus' words in John 21:22–23, where Jesus says, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?". This created an early church rumor that John would not die. Additionally, the LDS Church teaches that John was translated and remains on earth to minister.
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Key Sources for the Belief:

• Misinterpreted Scripture (John 21:22-23): Jesus' hypothetical statement to Peter about John was misinterpreted by early followers, leading to the rumor that John would live until the Second Coming. John himself clarified in the text that Jesus did not explicitly say he would not die, but this did not stop the legend.
• Latter-day Saint (Mormon) Doctrine: The LDS Church teaches that John was translated (a state where a person is changed to live without pain or death until they are resurrected) and is currently ministering on the earth, specifically to aid in the gathering of Israel. Doctrine and Covenants 7 (D&C 7) is a key text for this belief.
• Early Church Legends: Due to John being the last surviving Apostle and living to a very old age in Ephesus, rumors persisted in the early centuries that he did not experience a normal death, with some legends even claiming his grave was empty or that he was seen alive long after he should have died.
• Apocryphal Texts: Various early, non-canonical (or Gnostic) texts speculated on John's supernatural preservation.
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Note: The vast majority of mainstream Christian traditions hold that John died a natural death in Ephesus around AD 100.

 

[Cougarbear]

The disciple Jesus loved most isn't on your freshly rebooted apostolic roster.

That’s correct. Why would he? He came with Peter, James and John to confirm the Melchizedek Priesthood on Joseph Smith. John has an emeritus like position to assist with things like helping Israel to be re-established in the land of Israel.

 

[Cougarbear]

No, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) does not officially teach that the Catholic Church is the "priesthood of Satan." While early LDS theology viewed other Christian denominations as part of a general apostasy, modern LDS leaders generally view Catholics as fellow Christians and respect them as part of the broader Christian tradition.
BYU ScholarsArchive +1

• Official Position: The LDS Church does not teach that the Catholic Church is the "priesthood of Satan." Such a claim is not part of their doctrine.
• Historical View: Early in the history of the LDS movement, there was harsh rhetoric regarding other Christian denominations, sometimes referring to them as part of an "apostate" or "false" church, but this was rarely a specific, exclusive targeting of the Catholic Church as "Satan's priesthood".
• Modern Relations: In modern times, the LDS Church often works with Catholic charities and leaders, emphasizing shared values, such as strengthening families and religious freedom, and recognizes Catholics as fellow followers of Jesus Christ.
  BYU ScholarsArchive +1

The LDS belief is that the authority to act in God's name (the priesthood) was lost from the earth and restored through Joseph Smith, but they do not define other churches as being directly led by Satan.

Learning to use AI Funny how we attempt to love our neighbor Christians while you all call us satan’s cult. Then when I throw it back in your face you cry and turn hypocritical. My point is making nice hasn’t helped. So why not call a spade a spade? I’m not an official spokesperson for the Church. I have my freedom to be clear that all other priesthoods are counterfeit priesthoods.

 

[Cougarbear]

The belief that the Apostle John is still alive originates primarily from a misunderstanding of Jesus' words in John 21:22–23, where Jesus says, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?". This created an early church rumor that John would not die. Additionally, the LDS Church teaches that John was translated and remains on earth to minister.
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Key Sources for the Belief:

• Misinterpreted Scripture (John 21:22-23): Jesus' hypothetical statement to Peter about John was misinterpreted by early followers, leading to the rumor that John would live until the Second Coming. John himself clarified in the text that Jesus did not explicitly say he would not die, but this did not stop the legend.
• Latter-day Saint (Mormon) Doctrine: The LDS Church teaches that John was translated (a state where a person is changed to live without pain or death until they are resurrected) and is currently ministering on the earth, specifically to aid in the gathering of Israel. Doctrine and Covenants 7 (D&C 7) is a key text for this belief.
• Early Church Legends: Due to John being the last surviving Apostle and living to a very old age in Ephesus, rumors persisted in the early centuries that he did not experience a normal death, with some legends even claiming his grave was empty or that he was seen alive long after he should have died.
• Apocryphal Texts: Various early, non-canonical (or Gnostic) texts speculated on John's supernatural preservation.
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Note: The vast majority of mainstream Christian traditions hold that John died a natural death in Ephesus around AD 100.

Funny how you don’t accept AI when it goes against you. But you demand with large print this time AI is correct. No, we clearly believe John and the 3 Nephites have not yet tasted death. They are transliterated until the 2nd Coming. There are statements from those who fought in the war when Israel was reestablished that there was an old personage who came and told the Muslims to stop that war. And they did.

 

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Learning to use AI Funny how we attempt to love our neighbor Christians while you all call us satan’s cult. Then when I throw it back in your face you cry and turn hypocritical. My point is making nice hasn’t helped. So why not call a spade a spade? I’m not an official spokesperson for the Church. I have my freedom to be clear that all other priesthoods are counterfeit priesthoods.

Was it wrong?

 

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Funny how you don’t accept AI when it goes against you. But you demand with large print this time AI is correct. No, we clearly believe John and the 3 Nephites have not yet tasted death. They are transliterated until the 2nd Coming. There are statements from those who fought in the war when Israel was reestablished that there was an old personage who came and told the Muslims to stop that war. And they did.

I accept all things that are true. I don't accept your made up beliefs because I do not believe they are true. You see nothing wrong with believing John is still alive roaming the earth or that you can become a God and women can't or that the universe was created from existing matter.

 

[Cougarbear]

Was it wrong?

Yes! Because it isn't confronting the issue. It's making nice about the truth. The Great Apostasy is something we've taught since 1830 as a Church. Now, calling other priesthoods satan's priests is my own take (and a lot of other members). That's because they are counterfeit priests usurping true authority. When teaching at a private Catholic high school for 16 years, I would occasionally ask if they hold the Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood. Their responses were funny. Because they have other unfamiliar priesthood orders:

• Jesuits (Society of Jesus - SJ): Known for education, intellectual pursuits, and missionary work.
• Franciscans (Order of Friars Minor - OFM): Emphasize poverty, preaching, and service to the poor.
• Dominicans (Order of Preachers - OP)
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  Focus on preaching, theology, and study.
  • Benedictines (Order of St. Benedict - OSB): Monastic order focused on prayer, stability, and work in a monastery.
  • Carmelites (Order of the Brothers of Our Lady of Mount Carmel - O.Carm): Focus on contemplative prayer and community.
  • Augustinians (Order of St. Augustine - OSA): Live in community, often involved in education or parish work.
    
    
  • Capuchins (Order of Friars Minor Capuchin - OFMCap): A branch of the Franciscans focusing on austerity and service.
    Carthusians (Order of Carthusians - O.Carth): Known for extreme solitude, silence, and contemplative life.
    Don't see Melchizedek or Aaron (Levitical) in there at all.

 

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Now, calling other priesthoods satan's priests is my own take (and a lot of other members). That's because they are counterfeit priests usurping true authority.

Or yours are by your logic.

 

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Yes! Because it isn't confronting the issue.

It's not wrong. You follow a made up religion.

Before founding Mormonism, Smith was known in his local area as a "money digger" or "glass looker" who used a seer stone in a hat to "see" hidden treasure for clients, a practice for which he was arrested and examined in 1826. While the exact outcome is debated—with some evidence suggesting he was discharged and others claiming he was found guilty as a "disorderly person"—the 1826 legal proceedings centered on his "glass-looking" activities.
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The Great Apostasy is something we've taught since 1830 as a Church.

Yes, and it's wrong. It's all made up. Your founder was a crook.

 

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It's making nice about the truth. The Great Apostasy is something we've taught since 1830 as a Church.

This doesn't have anything to do with that. It has to do with your ridiculous belief that John is still alive. He's not. John is dead.

 

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Now, calling other priesthoods satan's priests is my own take (and a lot of other members).

That's good to know that a lot of LDS members go against what their church teaches.

 

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I accept all things that are true. I don't accept your made up beliefs because I do not believe they are true. You see nothing wrong with believing John is still alive roaming the earth or that you can become a God and women can't or that the universe was created from existing matter.

Jesus said the following to his disciples:

Matthew 16:27-28
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Why would you find it so hard to believe that John could be among those whom Jesus spoke about who would not taste of death until they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom? To Peter, when asking of the fate of John, Jesus said the following:

John 21:20-24
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

In these verses Jesus tells Peter that John would tarry until he comes. The brethren that heard these things believed that John would never die. But Jesus corrected them by saying that if he tarry till he comes, what is that to thee. So from these two sets of verses, we learn that there were some standing among them that would not taste of death until they saw Jesus coming in his kingdom. So apparently some would live until the second coming of Jesus. John seems to be one of whom Jesus spake when saying, "If I will that he tarry till I come", which seems to imply that John would up until the time when Jesus returns. So why is it so difficult to believe that John's life could have been prolonged until he sees Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven with his angels having his Father's glory.

 

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Why would you find it so hard to believe that John could be among those whom Jesus spoke about who would not taste of death until they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom?

Because of this.