As the U.S. becomes ‘browner’ and ‘gayer’ are we becoming better? Dems, what do you have in mind for America’s future?

[BrokeLoser]

Pride Month is here and once again Dems tell us it’s time to celebrate the decay of America...look it up, the data is everywhere.
LefTard Logic:
More illegals = Better America
Fewer Cops = Better America
More Homos = Better America
Fewer Whites = Better America

Again, based on the data, you don’t have to wonder what Democrats have in mind for America.

Lol you’re such a crybaby. I can’t imagine being this miserable on a daily basis. Middle school ended dude. Time to grow up.

Hahaha...how many “Trump is mean” threads did you participate in?

Definitely plenty of “Trump is a moron”. Frankly it just makes sense to be concerned somebody that stupid has the nuclear codes.

Thats right...you are notorious for your “Billionaires are stupid, I’m smarter than billionaires“ threads.

 

[Billy000]

Pride Month is here and once again Dems tell us it’s time to celebrate the decay of America...look it up, the data is everywhere.
LefTard Logic:
More illegals = Better America
Fewer Cops = Better America
More Homos = Better America
Fewer Whites = Better America

Again, based on the data, you don’t have to wonder what Democrats have in mind for America.

Lol you’re such a crybaby. I can’t imagine being this miserable on a daily basis. Middle school ended dude. Time to grow up.

Hahaha...how many “Trump is mean” threads did you participate in?

Definitely plenty of “Trump is a moron”. Frankly it just makes sense to be concerned somebody that stupid has the nuclear codes.

Thats right...you are notorious for your “Billionaires are stupid, I’m smarter than billionaires“ threads.

I’m smarter than kids like you and Trump born with silver spoon up their asses who think their parents’ wealth is somehow a measure of their own worth. If Trump was born poor, he would be a Wal-Mart greeter right now. It helps when daddy gives him millions.

 

[Resnic]

Are we trying to become better or worse?
As Democrats continue to encourage, manifest and foster a browner gayer nation are they sure they are pushing our nation on the right trajectory given the data?

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Honestly I say no.

The more diverse our country becomes, the more immigrants, the more illegal immigrants, and the more people are desperate to be different I see our country getting worse. I was born in the 70s so I've seen the country change a lot.

I think the biggest problem as the more diverse we get the more people do not want to conform, adapt or become a part of American society. Too many people "want their society". Too many people trying to be different don't want to be a part of society, they want it to be what they want, immigrants want to bring their homelands society to America. All everyone does is argue, bicker, complain, fight and try to push against the system. No one wants follow the rules, accept others, or obey all of the laws.

I look at the county I live in. We're almost all white, none of us are overly religious, we all are comparable on the income scale for the most part, we all work and are friendly enough to eachother but mostly mind our own business. We have little crime, no major troubles, and our county is well maintained with no debt. It's a nice place to live because are all similar to eachother.

Meanwhile a court next to us is a big mix of black, white, and a good dose of Mexicans. You can't go there without seeing an ambulance or a police car, the place isn't well maintained, everyone's house is run down, the county is in debt, and just in general it's not very nice. Everytime I drive through it I seem someone arguing on the street.

County past that one is nice because it's like mine.

Honestly I think too much diversity in people is bad. It upsets the equilibrium and harmony of things. Some is ok and just fine, but if it gets too diverse then it becomes a battle of wills and no one is happy.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Pride Month is here and once again Dems tell us it’s time to celebrate the decay of America...look it up, the data is everywhere.
LefTard Logic:
More illegals = Better America
Fewer Cops = Better America
More Homos = Better America
Fewer Whites = Better America

Again, based on the data, you don’t have to wonder what Democrats have in mind for America.

Lol you’re such a crybaby. I can’t imagine being this miserable on a daily basis. Middle school ended dude. Time to grow up.

Hahaha...how many “Trump is mean” threads did you participate in?

Definitely plenty of “Trump is a moron”. Frankly it just makes sense to be concerned somebody that stupid has the nuclear codes.

Thats right...you are notorious for your “Billionaires are stupid, I’m smarter than billionaires“ threads.

I’m smarter than kids like you and Trump born with silver spoon up their asses who think their parents’ wealth is somehow a measure of their own worth. If Trump was born poor, he would be a Wal-Mart greeter right now. It helps when daddy gives him millions.

Why don’t all millionaires become billionaires like Trump did?

 

[Billy000]

Pride Month is here and once again Dems tell us it’s time to celebrate the decay of America...look it up, the data is everywhere.
LefTard Logic:
More illegals = Better America
Fewer Cops = Better America
More Homos = Better America
Fewer Whites = Better America

Again, based on the data, you don’t have to wonder what Democrats have in mind for America.

Lol you’re such a crybaby. I can’t imagine being this miserable on a daily basis. Middle school ended dude. Time to grow up.

Hahaha...how many “Trump is mean” threads did you participate in?

Definitely plenty of “Trump is a moron”. Frankly it just makes sense to be concerned somebody that stupid has the nuclear codes.

Thats right...you are notorious for your “Billionaires are stupid, I’m smarter than billionaires“ threads.

I’m smarter than kids like you and Trump born with silver spoon up their asses who think their parents’ wealth is somehow a measure of their own worth. If Trump was born poor, he would be a Wal-Mart greeter right now. It helps when daddy gives him millions.

Why don’t all millionaires become billionaires like Trump did?

Uh because those millionaires didn’t start off with millions of free capital. They didn’t become millionaires over night like Trump. They built up to it. Obviously that will have limitations on their wealth.

 

[Old Rocks]

One thing Democrats want is for Republicans to quit making out like we are the party of deplorables. The Republicans seem to have a high standard and only whites and successful minorities are allowed to camp with them. Their party's efforts are directed to the people of the camp and they are hoping the white working class will have economic anxiety and cast vote for them. You have to stop and ask yourself, in the words of Prez Reagan are you better off today than you were four years ago?

That's not the real Republicans. That's the JBSers and Rumpers that claim they are Republicans. This changes very quickly as we rebuild the GOP back to the days when America was Proud of us.

As a Progressive Democrat, I wish you luck. But I think you are outnumbered now by the crazies in the Cult of Trump, formerly the GOP. Conservatives like George Will, David Brooks, and Steve Schmidt have given up on the party.

 

[BrokeLoser]

One thing Democrats want is for Republicans to quit making out like we are the party of deplorables. The Republicans seem to have a high standard and only whites and successful minorities are allowed to camp with them. Their party's efforts are directed to the people of the camp and they are hoping the white working class will have economic anxiety and cast vote for them. You have to stop and ask yourself, in the words of Prez Reagan are you better off today than you were four years ago?

That's not the real Republicans. That's the JBSers and Rumpers that claim they are Republicans. This changes very quickly as we rebuild the GOP back to the days when America was Proud of us.

As a Progressive Democrat, I wish you luck. But I think you are outnumbered now by the crazies in the Cult of Trump, formerly the GOP. Conservatives like George Will, David Brooks, and Steve Schmidt have given up on the party.

That’s weird...a regressive Democrat in Portland, OR...haha
You vote Dem by default right? Thats kind of a prerequisite to live in that filthy shithole...one must vote their city down the shitter...right?

 

[San Souci]

Pride Month is here and once again Dems tell us it’s time to celebrate the decay of America...look it up, the data is everywhere.
LefTard Logic:
More illegals = Better America
Fewer Cops = Better America
More Homos = Better America
Fewer Whites = Better America

Again, based on the data, you don’t have to wonder what Democrats have in mind for America.

Yes. They want the USA to be one big Fagdom.

 

[Colin norris]

Are we trying to become better or worse?
As Democrats continue to encourage, manifest and foster a browner gayer nation are they sure they are pushing our nation on the right trajectory given the data?

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As if the democrats are responsible for the issues raised. Wake up to yourself you fool.

 

[danielpalos]

Are we trying to become better or worse?
As Democrats continue to encourage, manifest and foster a browner gayer nation are they sure they are pushing our nation on the right trajectory given the data?

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I've noticed we've become less gay of late. The left constantly entertains the lowest common denominator of things as they attempt to normalize it. A distraction on their part, twisted and so on.

So when gay was in you couldn't drive down the street without seeing some mental case flaunting their gayness or often a mistaken identity, many just wanted to be hip and that BS. Speaking for myself I don't see it near as often.
Speaking for gays where would comedy be without them At least that was the case before "progressives" destroyed comedy due they're easily butthurt.

The world isn't becoming less gay, we're just mainstreamed now.

Fags will always be second class citizens in all but about 15 disgusting shitholes in America.

Unfortunately for right-wingers, true Gamorans and true Sodomites make better citizens than false Christians. Job 34:30 applies since we have a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Are we trying to become better or worse?
As Democrats continue to encourage, manifest and foster a browner gayer nation are they sure they are pushing our nation on the right trajectory given the data?

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As if the democrats are responsible for the issues raised. Wake up to yourself you fool.

Wake the fuck up, pull your head from your ass..
Which republicans are against The Wall...which are in favor of an open border, sanctuary cities/states, DACA, a pathway to citizenship for millions of Mexico’s filth...which Republicans celebrate everytime congress becomes a little less white?

Which Republicans are flying the Fag flag at federal/state buildings, which Republicans have chicks with dicks and pole puffers on their staff? Which Republicans denigrate and detest Christianity, core American values and belief systems?

 

[Mr Natural]

Dems, what do you have in mind for America’s future?​

A browner and gayer America just to piss off the assholes.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Dems, what do you have in mind for America’s future?​

A browner and gayer America just to piss off the assholes.

Haha...it gets browner and gayer and becomes the disgusting dangerous shithole you made it and then you flee to the closest white community and repeat the cycle all over again.....rinse and repeat.
Face it Tard, you can’t get out of your own way.

 

[initforme]

1) As a white Christian male it's not nor has ever been my responsibility to try to improve the nation.
2) live and let live....

 

[BrokeLoser]

2) live and let live....

That live and let live bullshit sounds so cool....but it went out the window circa 1935 when the government forced me to pay your way, to pay for the lives of illegals and boogers ...now that I own equity in pieces of worthless shit I have demands and expectations.

 

[BrokeLoser]

1) As a white Christian male it's not nor has ever been my responsibility to try to improve the nation.

That’s sad, thank God most are not like you.
What has made America and Americans exceptional is that we conduct ourselves in such a way that standards are created amongst the citizenry...we improve America by expecting better of our people. We would be another Somalia / El Salvador if we didn’t.

 

[Colin norris]

Are we trying to become better or worse?
As Democrats continue to encourage, manifest and foster a browner gayer nation are they sure they are pushing our nation on the right trajectory given the data?

L

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As if the democrats are responsible for the issues raised. Wake up to yourself you fool.

Wake the fuck up, pull your head from your ass..
Which republicans are against The Wall...which are in favor of an open border, sanctuary cities/states, DACA, a pathway to citizenship for millions of Mexico’s filth...which Republicans celebrate everytime congress becomes a little less white?

Which Republicans are flying the Fag flag at federal/state buildings, which Republicans have chicks with dicks and pole puffers on their staff? Which Republicans denigrate and detest Christianity, core American values and belief systems?

Settle down bronco. Republicans arent as pure as the driven snow.
No one hates like republicans and your a classic example. If that's your core values leave me out of it.
BTW. You can post without swearing as it doesn't intimidate me. You're no tough guy.

 

[otto105]

Pride Month is here and once again Dems tell us it’s time to celebrate the decay of America...look it up, the data is everywhere.
LefTard Logic:
More illegals = Better America
Fewer Cops = Better America
More Homos = Better America
Fewer Whites = Better America

Again, based on the data, you don’t have to wonder what Democrats have in mind for America.

Lol you’re such a crybaby. I can’t imagine being this miserable on a daily basis. Middle school ended dude. Time to grow up.

Hahaha...how many “Trump is mean” threads did you participate in?

The former president just wasn’t mean, he was an unlikable asshole.

Legit Americans don’t need to “like” our president...we have friends and family...we need to like the direction the president moves America in...we need to like a presidents policies...you know, like that Americans First one you hated.

Aww, so sad baby.

 

[Quasar44]

Everywhere damn place I go ..I see all brown folks and seeing a white person is becoming a tad difficult

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'll preface this by saying that I have never made a thread on any forum, nor have I explored the CDZ. I read the guidelines for this subsection, and I didn't encounter anything outlining any specific format which these debates must follow, so long as the exchange remains respectful. Thus, if I miss any rules with regards to the creation of this thread, please do tell me.

I will start this thread off with a claim or a series of interrelated claims, followed by definitions with regards to those claim(s), and then I will outline a simple argument justifying those claim(s) What I seek out of this thread is a firm counterargument to one or more of these claims, based in a traditional secular argument.

Claims

1. Gender is not defined by sex.
2. Gender-nonconformity is neither irrational nor a mental illness.
3. There is no secular reason not to accommodate the gender-nonconforming.

Definitions

1. Sex, defined as the chromosome configuration you are born with.
2. Gender, defined as the personality traits traditionally associated with one sex or the other (i.e., femininity, masculinity).
3. Gender-nonconforming, defined as someone that does not align with the gender associated with their sex.
4. Accommodation, defined as allowing these gender-nonconforming individuals to do anything others within their own gender are allowed to do, given their biology does not offer them a distinct advantage.
5. Secular, this really shouldn't need to be defined, but some people seem to think "secular" means "atheist." No, it doesn't. Secular means areligious. Religious people can and do make secular arguments, because every argument they make where they do not use religion or spirit as a crutch is a secular argument.

Arguments

1. Gender is not defined by sex. I'm sure we can agree that it is fundamentally undeniable that biological men and biological women have a set of statistically distinct traits, both physiological and psychological, and that to some extent, these traits are caused by biology. The extent to which they're caused by biology is irrelevant to our purposes here, but what is relevant is the word "statistical." In any group, including humans at-large, there is a statistical norm for any trait you'd like to pick out of the bunch (given that it may be measured numerically). However, that statistical norm is just that: statistical and a norm. Every group on this planet, including the two demographically-dominant sexes, regularly see traits that deviate significantly from the statistical norm.
   
   Case-in-point: height (see: fig. 1). As shown in this neat little chart, and as you probably already know, biological men are statistically taller than biological women. But a statistically significant chunk of men are shorter than a statistically significant chunk of women.
   
   Now, what does height have to do with gender? Gender is not synonymous with sex. Even if you are to claim that gender must align with someone's sex, the two are not the same. Gender is a set of traits that we traditionally associate with one sex or another, often pertaining to personality. As in, "men are assertive." Or, "women are neurotic." These two statements are provably true (See: fig. 2), just like sex-height claims, assuming that they are statistical statements, not absolute statements. Men are indeed more assertive. Women indeed are more neurotic. But the thing is, not all men are assertive. And not all women are neurotic. Just like with height, there is a great deal of overlap between the sexes, and there lay the issue of claiming that gender must align with one's sex.
   
   If a biological female's personality traits firmly fall inside the "masculine" box, and they believe the associations made with the term "male" and the pronouns "he/him" more accurately fit them, how is that wrong? I'd argue it isn't, because this individual's gender, their personality--every visible and relevant trait--goes against the gender they were assigned at birth. This is statistically evident through basic trait variance. Therefore, gender is not defined by sex.
2. Gender-nonconformity is neither irrational nor a mental illness. Assuming that the prior claim is true, it cannot be reasonably claimed that being gender-nonconforming is in itself irrational, given that there is no intrinsic part of gender-nonconformity that does not comport with reality. However, the topic of mental illness is completely different.
   
   I will start by saying there is a distinction between gender dysphoria and gender nonconformity. Gender-nonconformity is exactly how I defined it, but gender dysphoria is when the misalignment between your assigned gender and your perceived gender causes distress. Gender dysphoria is therefore a mental illness, not because gender-nonconformity is a mental illness, but rather because of the anxiety and depression that some face in light of this misalignment. The solution to mental illnesses, if possible, is to address the route cause, not to squash the symptoms; in this case, the route cause is that misalignment, so the solution is the rectification of that misalignment. Therefore, gender-nonconformity is neither irrational nor a mental illness.
3. Last but not least, there is no secular reason not to accommodate the gender-nonconforming. A "secular" reason, in my mind, is any reason guided by enlightenment rationality. Appeals to authority do not fall under "secular" reasoning, and quoting a religious text as a reason is an appeal to authority. While I am not denying the right of the individual to accept whomever they'd like into their lives, and to refer to others how they wish within the confines of their own property, my claim here is that non-accommodation of the gender-nonconforming has no rational basis.
   
   The reasoning here is simple. If one is to do something entirely rational, as follows in my second claim, and this rational action does not impose itself on the well-being of others, others can not rationally act in a discriminatory manner against them. The same applies to the assumption of an identity which does not associate itself with actions that are either irrational and/or impose themselves on the well-being of others. Gender-nonconformity is not irrational, as per the second argument, and it does not intrinsically harm the well-being of others, therefore there is no secular reason not to accommodate the gender-nonconforming.

Images

Figure 1: Relationship between height and biological sex
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Figure 2: Relationship between big five personality and gender, compared between executives and non-executives
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Notes (edited in after the fact, because this dumb fuck accidentally posted this early)

1. I will be using the big five personality measurements and the data regarding that as my back-up for any personality-related claims or arguments. Not only is it the most respected in the scientific community, it also has been thoroughly researched on many fronts, and that wealth of statistics is very useful for the purposes of an argument. Read more about it here.
   
   Yes, this is a Wikipedia page. If you request a more direct source, I will provide you one.

As already correctly noted: there have always been transgender people – nothing has been ‘concocted’ by ‘the left.’

Authoritarian conservatives fear positive, beneficial change, diversity, and dissent.

The tyranny of the right seeks to compel conformity and punish dissent by subjecting gay and transgender Americans to hostile, repressive laws and measures.

Gay and transgender Americans are just as decent and moral as any other American – respecting the freedom and liberty of gay and transgender Americans is not ‘anything goes,’ it’s recognizing the right of self-determination and freedom of expression every American is entitled to.

Why would you want to assist in the degradation of America by supporting and essentially encouraging and compromising the integrity of America's root moral standards and value systems?