Who are the Israelis?

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We have a Who are the Palestinians thread, so just to be fair...

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European colonists and their offspring.



Then what does that make the other 70% of people in Israel, Mongols or Brazilians. Or don't you like the truth about Israel being 60% Sephardic Jews with very few Ashkenazi Jews left. So this one small fact destroys your every post about the Jews being INVADERS and COLONISTS when in fact they are indigenous to the area. Unlike the arab muslims that are just bums from the surrounding lands.
 

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et al,

The State of Israel is a complex and diverse multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and multi-religious society. The simplified thumbnail perspective might be broken down like this:

Multi-ethnic considerations:
NOTE: Some Jewish Ethnic Differences may be seen:​
    • Ashkenazim (Jewish ethnic lines from mostly Germany and Eastern Europe)
    • Sephardim Jews (Jewish ethnic lines from mostly to Spain, Portugal, and Arab countries).
Multi-racial considerations:
  • Caucasian,
  • African,
  • Mongoloid
Multi-religious considerations:
  • Jewish
  • Christian
  • Muslim
NOTE: In addition there are religious differences among Jews,
  • Ultra-Orthodox ("haredim"),
  • Modern Orthodox ("dati-leumi"),
  • Traditional ("masorati"),
  • Secular ("hiloni").
Israel is, very much, a 21st Century country --- having the highest ratio of university degrees to its population in the world. Israel produces huge number of scientific papers ---- more than a 100 papers per 1000 researchers; which shows in the number of Nobel laureates (12: more than all the other Middle Eastern and North African Muslim countries combined) in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology, Medicine, and Literature. (By comparison: Egypt: 4 --- Lebanon: 0 --- Syria: 0 --- Jordan: 0 --- Saudi Arabia: 0 --- Turkey: 1) Israel is at the tip of the spear in terms of high technology developments and medial research advancements; particularly in the areas of microprocessor design and manufacturing; and as diverse as stem cell research --- and --- the treatment of neuro-degenerative diseases. Israel was the first to develop and install a large-scale, fully functional solar electricity generating plant. Of the 16 women in history that have been named Noble Laureates, among them is Ada Yonath, a protein crystallographer (Chemistry), for her studies of the structure and function of the ribosome.

Most Respectfully,
R
 

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Israel was founded by European colonists and its founding and current leadership is still predominately made up of people of European origin. Much like other European colonial projects e.g. the U.S., Australia, many Latin American countries, Canada the former Rhodesia and the former White-ruled Republic of South Africa. N.B. In Latin America, where the indigenous people were not subject to successful genocide such as Bolivia and Ecuador, for example, the indigenous people have begun to regain rule.
 

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et al,

The State of Israel is a complex and diverse multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and multi-religious society. The simplified thumbnail perspective might be broken down like this:

Multi-ethnic considerations:
NOTE: Some Jewish Ethnic Differences may be seen:​
    • Ashkenazim (Jewish ethnic lines from mostly Germany and Eastern Europe)
    • Sephardim Jews (Jewish ethnic lines from mostly to Spain, Portugal, and Arab countries).
Multi-racial considerations:
  • Caucasian,
  • African,
  • Mongoloid
Multi-religious considerations:
  • Jewish
  • Christian
  • Muslim
NOTE: In addition there are religious differences among Jews,
  • Ultra-Orthodox ("haredim"),
  • Modern Orthodox ("dati-leumi"),
  • Traditional ("masorati"),
  • Secular ("hiloni").
Israel is, very much, a 21st Century country --- having the highest ratio of university degrees to its population in the world. Israel produces huge number of scientific papers ---- more than a 100 papers per 1000 researchers; which shows in the number of Nobel laureates (12: more than all the other Middle Eastern and North African Muslim countries combined) in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology, Medicine, and Literature. (By comparison: Egypt: 4 --- Lebanon: 0 --- Syria: 0 --- Jordan: 0 --- Saudi Arabia: 0 --- Turkey: 1) Israel is at the tip of the spear in terms of high technology developments and medial research advancements; particularly in the areas of microprocessor design and manufacturing; and as diverse as stem cell research --- and --- the treatment of neuro-degenerative diseases. Israel was the first to develop and install a large-scale, fully functional solar electricity generating plant. Of the 16 women in history that have been named Noble Laureates, among them is Ada Yonath, a protein crystallographer (Chemistry), for her studies of the structure and function of the ribosome.

Most Respectfully,
R
The first heart transplant was performed in Apartheid South Africa.
 

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Israel was founded by European colonists and its founding and current leadership is still predominately made up of people of European origin. Much like other European colonial projects e.g. the U.S., Australia, many Latin American countries, Canada the former Rhodesia and the former White-ruled Republic of South Africa. N.B. In Latin America, where the indigenous people were not subject to successful genocide such as Bolivia and Ecuador, for example, the indigenous people have begun to regain rule.



WRONG Israel was founded by the British who decided to gather them all together and out of everyones hair. The Jewish nation of Israel was also founded by the LoN who granted the Jews of the world a homeland in the part of the world they originally came from. The majority of the Jews in 1948 came from the surrounding areas and not from Europe and it was them that declared independence. It was them that fought of the arab muslim invasion in 1948 - 1949 and died for their beliefs. The Jews did not invade or colonise as you claim falsely, they were invited by the lands legal owners to migrate and settle with a view to claiming the land under INTERNATIONAL LAW. Just as the arab muslims were offered their 78% of Palestine to make their homeland in, but being greedy and arrogant wanted everything, so decided to start a war and tell lies about the reality that is Israel.
 

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et al,

The State of Israel is a complex and diverse multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and multi-religious society. The simplified thumbnail perspective might be broken down like this:

Multi-ethnic considerations:
NOTE: Some Jewish Ethnic Differences may be seen:​
    • Ashkenazim (Jewish ethnic lines from mostly Germany and Eastern Europe)
    • Sephardim Jews (Jewish ethnic lines from mostly to Spain, Portugal, and Arab countries).
Multi-racial considerations:
  • Caucasian,
  • African,
  • Mongoloid
Multi-religious considerations:
  • Jewish
  • Christian
  • Muslim
NOTE: In addition there are religious differences among Jews,
  • Ultra-Orthodox ("haredim"),
  • Modern Orthodox ("dati-leumi"),
  • Traditional ("masorati"),
  • Secular ("hiloni").
Israel is, very much, a 21st Century country --- having the highest ratio of university degrees to its population in the world. Israel produces huge number of scientific papers ---- more than a 100 papers per 1000 researchers; which shows in the number of Nobel laureates (12: more than all the other Middle Eastern and North African Muslim countries combined) in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology, Medicine, and Literature. (By comparison: Egypt: 4 --- Lebanon: 0 --- Syria: 0 --- Jordan: 0 --- Saudi Arabia: 0 --- Turkey: 1) Israel is at the tip of the spear in terms of high technology developments and medial research advancements; particularly in the areas of microprocessor design and manufacturing; and as diverse as stem cell research --- and --- the treatment of neuro-degenerative diseases. Israel was the first to develop and install a large-scale, fully functional solar electricity generating plant. Of the 16 women in history that have been named Noble Laureates, among them is Ada Yonath, a protein crystallographer (Chemistry), for her studies of the structure and function of the ribosome.

Most Respectfully,
R
The first heart transplant was performed in Apartheid South Africa.




So was the first case of necklacing, and that was sanctioned by the terrorist Nelson Mandella against a black South African for working in a white families house on good wages.

Your point in bringing in an off topic subject is ? ? ? ? ?
 
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Abraham Sion, A Professor of Law, gives a presentation of the Jewish People's legal right to all of the land of Israel,

 

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Sounds like Otto the Nazirene, from Life of Brian:


BRIAN: Oh. Who are you?

OTTO: My name. Is. Otto.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: Yes. Otto. It’s time, you know. . .

BRIAN: What?

OTTO: . . . Time that we Jews racially purified ourselves.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: He’s right you know. The new leader. We need more living room. We must move into the traditionally Jewish areas of Samaria.

BRIAN: What about the Samaritans?
 

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Sounds like Otto the Nazirene, from Life of Brian:


BRIAN: Oh. Who are you?

OTTO: My name. Is. Otto.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: Yes. Otto. It’s time, you know. . .

BRIAN: What?

OTTO: . . . Time that we Jews racially purified ourselves.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: He’s right you know. The new leader. We need more living room. We must move into the traditionally Jewish areas of Samaria.

BRIAN: What about the Samaritans?



Maybe you should be asking "What about the Jews" who lived there for 4,000 before the arab muslims invaded again
 

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Puppets of Britain, another British tool to take under control ME.
 

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Mineva, et al,

It is difficult these days to distinguish the "Interests" of a Colonial Power [wherein a country engages the practice of domination, which involves the subjugation (benevolent or not --- belligerent or not) of one people to another] and that of an Hegemony (the political, economic, or military predominance or control of one state over others).

Puppets of Britain, another British tool to take under control ME.
(COMMENT)

It can be said that, at one time, the influence of the UK was extended over Palestine (the Mandate for), but that ended in 1948. In contemporary time (since 2002 and the Madrid Conference), the influence over the mediation of the peace process in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was the Quartet (United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia); but may have been recently over taken (in part) by Egypt as the mediator.

"We do not give the Israelis arms because they are pro-Western or because we admire their achievement. We give them arms because our interests in the Middle East are to keep peace and quiet, and to prevent war. Anything which makes war more likely is against the interests of the Western powers."
SOURCE: This quote is attributed to an unnamed British Ambassador to Israel, provided by Jonathan Spyer, Britain’s policymakers in late 1960's --- From the Paper: Chapter 1 - Britain and the Middle East

What is interesting is that China wants to get involved in the peace process as part of the Quartet.

China Wants to Join Middle East Peace Quartet
China is ready to join the Middle East Quartet to help negotiate a peace agreement between the Israeli and Palestinians, according to the country’s foreign minister.
SOURCE: The Diplomat 15 JAN 2014
At the present time, none of the major powers wants to be entangled with anything serious growing relationship with the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. There is no reason to bleed into the blackhole if you don't have to. Economically, the West Bank and Gaza Strip do not represent a good invest with reasonable risks.

No --- At one time you might have been correct (the assertion that Israel was a Puppets of Britain), but that has not been true for more than six decades.

Most Respectfully,
R
 

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Sounds like Otto the Nazirene, from Life of Brian:


BRIAN: Oh. Who are you?

OTTO: My name. Is. Otto.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: Yes. Otto. It’s time, you know. . .

BRIAN: What?

OTTO: . . . Time that we Jews racially purified ourselves.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: He’s right you know. The new leader. We need more living room. We must move into the traditionally Jewish areas of Samaria.

BRIAN: What about the Samaritans?



Maybe you should be asking "What about the Jews" who lived there for 4,000 before the arab muslims invaded again
Any people whose ancestors were Jews in the area of Palestine 4,000 years ago had converted to Christianity (under Byzantine law) and then Islam (most of the current Muslim and Christian Palestinians) or had left.
 

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Sounds like Otto the Nazirene, from Life of Brian:


BRIAN: Oh. Who are you?

OTTO: My name. Is. Otto.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: Yes. Otto. It’s time, you know. . .

BRIAN: What?

OTTO: . . . Time that we Jews racially purified ourselves.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: He’s right you know. The new leader. We need more living room. We must move into the traditionally Jewish areas of Samaria.

BRIAN: What about the Samaritans?



Maybe you should be asking "What about the Jews" who lived there for 4,000 before the arab muslims invaded again
Any people whose ancestors were Jews in the area of Palestine 4,000 years ago had converted to Christianity (under Byzantine law) and then Islam (most of the current Muslim and Christian Palestinians) or had left.



So where did the Jews in the Ottoman census come from then, if as you state there were no Jews in Palestine until the "Europeans invaded and stole the land" Even your own alleged religion says that the Jews outnumbered the arab muslims

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000;
Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000



And that was only in Jerusalem
 

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Mineva, et al,

It is difficult these days to distinguish the "Interests" of a Colonial Power [wherein a country engages the practice of domination, which involves the subjugation (benevolent or not --- belligerent or not) of one people to another] and that of an Hegemony (the political, economic, or military predominance or control of one state over others).

Puppets of Britain, another British tool to take under control ME.
(COMMENT)

It can be said that, at one time, the influence of the UK was extended over Palestine (the Mandate for), but that ended in 1948. In contemporary time (since 2002 and the Madrid Conference), the influence over the mediation of the peace process in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was the Quartet (United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia); but may have been recently over taken (in part) by Egypt as the mediator.

"We do not give the Israelis arms because they are pro-Western or because we admire their achievement. We give them arms because our interests in the Middle East are to keep peace and quiet, and to prevent war. Anything which makes war more likely is against the interests of the Western powers."
SOURCE: This quote is attributed to an unnamed British Ambassador to Israel, provided by Jonathan Spyer, Britain’s policymakers in late 1960's --- From the Paper: Chapter 1 - Britain and the Middle East

What is interesting is that China wants to get involved in the peace process as part of the Quartet.

China Wants to Join Middle East Peace Quartet
China is ready to join the Middle East Quartet to help negotiate a peace agreement between the Israeli and Palestinians, according to the country’s foreign minister.
SOURCE: The Diplomat 15 JAN 2014
At the present time, none of the major powers wants to be entangled with anything serious growing relationship with the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. There is no reason to bleed into the blackhole if you don't have to. Economically, the West Bank and Gaza Strip do not represent a good invest with reasonable risks.

No --- At one time you might have been correct (the assertion that Israel was a Puppets of Britain), but that has not been true for more than six decades.

Most Respectfully,
R

I find myself wondering how you manage to stay so calm and rational in responding to the parade of filth that infests this sub forum?
I find myself wondering why racist filth like yourself are allowed to post on this sub-forum.




Kettle Pot, Pot Kettle
 

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Sounds like Otto the Nazirene, from Life of Brian:


BRIAN: Oh. Who are you?

OTTO: My name. Is. Otto.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: Yes. Otto. It’s time, you know. . .

BRIAN: What?

OTTO: . . . Time that we Jews racially purified ourselves.

BRIAN: Oh.

OTTO: He’s right you know. The new leader. We need more living room. We must move into the traditionally Jewish areas of Samaria.

BRIAN: What about the Samaritans?



Maybe you should be asking "What about the Jews" who lived there for 4,000 before the arab muslims invaded again
Any people whose ancestors were Jews in the area of Palestine 4,000 years ago had converted to Christianity (under Byzantine law) and then Islam (most of the current Muslim and Christian Palestinians) or had left.



So where did the Jews in the Ottoman census come from then, if as you state there were no Jews in Palestine until the "Europeans invaded and stole the land" Even your own alleged religion says that the Jews outnumbered the arab muslims

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000;
Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000



And that was only in Jerusalem
And, they were almost all European colonists, as stated:

"During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population..."

And, we have the actual numbers for all of Palestine in 1921 through a more accurate British census where we see that there were more Christians than Jews.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921
 
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