Zone1 Another question to ponder.

[BULLDOG]

Mathematically, with truly infinite monkeys, typewriters, and time, they would eventually produce Shakespeare's complete works with probability 1, but recent studies show that in our finite universe, even with countless monkeys typing for eons, the chance is astronomically small, essentially impossible, far exceeding the universe's lifespan. The classic theorem highlights probability, but real-world constraints (finite time, atoms, energy) make it practically impossible, meaning we're more likely to see "infinite broken typewriters" first.

An infinitely small chance still exists, especially when it is compared to other infinitely small possibilities.

 

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An infinitely small chance still exists, especially when it is compared to other infinitely small possibilities.

Again... real-world constraints (finite time, atoms, energy) make it practically impossible, meaning we're more likely to see "infinite broken typewriters" first.

 

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...compared to other infinitely small possibilities.

Like the universe popping into existence, not filled with only radiation, not being created from existing matter or energy and being finely tuned to produce intelligence?

 

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accident.

By saying the universe providing for it's creatures is an accident, you are proving you are not agnostic and that you lied when you said it was possible that a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

 

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They say Monkeys could eventually randomly type out a Shakespearean play. make something large enough a lot of randomize elements can occur the might look like were done on purpose.

Mathematically, with truly infinite monkeys, typewriters, and time, they would eventually produce Shakespeare's complete works with probability 1, but recent studies show that in our finite universe, even with countless monkeys typing for eons, the chance is astronomically small, essentially impossible, far exceeding the universe's lifespan. The classic theorem highlights probability, but real-world constraints (finite time, atoms, energy) make it practically impossible, meaning we're more likely to see "infinite broken typewriters" first.

 

[BULLDOG]

Like the universe popping into existence, not filled with only radiation, not being created from existing matter or energy and being finely tuned to produce intelligence?

Yes. All those things are true. I know that because the Holy Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster told me so. You have not proven that those things didn't happen, and evidently you haven't received divine guidance on the subject, so I guess that makes you agnostic on the subject, right?

 

[BULLDOG]

By saying the universe providing for it's creatures is an accident, you are proving you are not agnostic and that you lied when you said it was possible that a moralistic and providential Creator created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise.

You really do go by your motto of "NO NIT GOES UNPICKED" don't you?

 

[TNHarley]

Unable to think for yourself you define the so called bible in a way that fits your beliefs regardless of what is really meant. This kind of concrete parochial mind is limited and in many ways very much like the atheists mind. You invent a concept of God then act as if its universal. Its not its your interpretation and quite primitive.

originalism is primitive? Nothing of the sort. Its honesty.
You make things up to justify that silly book you gave your life to. At least quantrill is honest about it.

 

[Hafar1014]

originalism is primitive? Nothing of the sort. Its honesty.
You make things up to justify that silly book you gave your life to. At least quantrill is honest about it.

Christians distorted Genesis to create a dogma for Jesus. There is no original sin or fall of man. That doesnt even match the context of the story. With no original sin there s no reason for Jesus to exist. The is that humanity is responsible for something that never happened isnt honest. Its manipulative. They use the threat of hell to compel obedience. That violets the commandment Thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain. For this there is no forgiveness

 

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Yes. All those things are true. I know that because the Holy Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster told me so. You have not proven that those things didn't happen, and evidently you haven't received divine guidance on the subject, so I guess that makes you agnostic on the subject, right?

I agree that the universe popping into existence, not filled with only radiation, not being created from existing matter or energy and being finely tuned to produce intelligence is as unlikely to accidentally happen as it is for a monkey to type a Shakespeare

 

[Quantrill]

Your logic requires faith not logic or actual proof.

No, my faith results in another ability to know. My faith results in another form of reason. A knowledge and reason that come from God.

Your 'logic' and 'actual proof' are based only on the material, the natural. You don't have the ability to 'know' the things of God.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Unable to think for yourself you define the so called bible in a way that fits your beliefs regardless of what is really meant. This kind of concrete parochial mind is limited and in many ways very much like the atheists mind. You invent a concept of God then act as if its universal. Its not its your interpretation and quite primitive.

No, I believe the Bible and what it says.

I didn't invent a concept of God. I believe what the Bible says about God. Well, of course the Bible is universal in that it is true and for any who believe.

My Bible is the complete Old and New Testament. What is yours?

My Bible is the Word of God. What is yours?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

So when is your holy ghost or spirit going to tell the rest of us?

That's not my decision.

All that is given to me to give to you, is 'believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved'.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

No, I believe the Bible and what it says.

I didn't invent a concept of God. I believe what the Bible says about God. Well, of course the Bible is universal in that it is true and for any who believe.

My Bible is the complete Old and New Testament. What is yours?

My Bible is the Word of God. What is yours?

Quantrill

My word is my word. You believe in a translated transposed distorted book that you cant read in its original language. You believe what another man told you to believe

 

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You really do go by your motto of "NO NIT GOES UNPICKED" don't you?

Was it a nit or did he make two statements that were mutually exclusive and that was what I was pointing out?

 

[Quantrill]

My word is my word. You believe in a translated transposed distorted book that you cant read in its original language. You believe what another man told you to believe

I believe the Bible, not your empty words backed up with nothing.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Christians distorted Genesis to create a dogma for Jesus. There is no original sin or fall of man. That doesnt even match the context of the story. With no original sin there s no reason for Jesus to exist. The is that humanity is responsible for something that never happened isnt honest. Its manipulative. They use the threat of hell to compel obedience. That violets the commandment Thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain. For this there is no forgiveness

I already proved original sin in the Bible to you.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

I already proved original sin in the Bible to you.

Quantrill

You never did where is it. The words original sin are not in the OT. Sin is there but there is no concept of original sin

 

[Hafar1014]

I believe the Bible, not your empty words backed up with nothing.

Quantrill

You believe lie because thats what you were told to believe. No one tells me what to believe.

 

[Quantrill]

You never did where is it. The words original sin are not in the OT. Sin is there but there is no concept of original sin

I already showed you. Adam and Eve were the first humans God created. He created them sinless. Thus when Adam and Eve sinned that was 'original sin' for the human race. (Gen. 1:26-28) (Gen. 2:15-17) (Gen. 3:6-7)

Quantrill