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[Monk-Eye]

" Myopic Reflections Of Projections Available Within Ones Cognitive Self "

* Sainta Or Saitan Seem Equally Plausible *

No thats Satan Lucifer brought enlightenment. Christians dont want enlightenment they e=want obedience. So they changed Lucifer into Satan

The dichotomy of good versus evil offers a deference of , and for , blame and shame .

The proponents for normative perspectives of luciferian and sin mythologies is evident in displays that include symbols for a crescent moon and morning star .

. Stoning of the Devil - Wikipedia .


* Deities Of Celestial Religion *

A greek inclination to apply syncretism is expected .

. Zone1 - Should Prometheus Be Viewed As Villainous Or Valiant ? .

 

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Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Evagrius's list was translated into the Latin of Western Christianity in many writings of John Cassian,<a href="Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a><a href="Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a> one of Evagrius’s students; the list thus became part of the Western tradition's spiritual pietas or Catholic devotions as follows:<a href="Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

1. Gula (gluttony)
2. Luxuria/Fornicatio (lust, fornication)
3. Avaritia (greed)
4. Tristitia (sorrow, despair, despondency)
5. Ira (wrath)
6. Acedia (sloth)
7. Vanagloria (vanity, vainglory)
8. Superbia (pride) <----------------------------------------

Right. But not all pride is a sin as explained previously.

 

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The Biblee is man made, a collection of stories some real some ain't. I can live with that. Revelations says it's 100% truth though.

Written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

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He could just show himself to the world and end all doubt but alas.

Why would God need to do that?

 

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But he should have known what they chose already.

Yes, I have heard hell is a very nice place. Lolz

I don't believe God sent a flood to kill almost every living thing either.

 

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Why would he have made all those people if he knew what choice they were going to make?

Exactly. Which is why we both believe God didn't do that.

But did God directly make anything other than existence? I don't believe so. That's polytheistic thinking. Are you a polytheist?

 

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And suddenly he stopped and for over 2,000 years we have neither heard him or seen him chastise us and whatnot. Now we are supposed to believe because a book written over 2,000 years ago told us to.

I hear from the Holy Spirit everyday. But then again I am open to it.

 

[DennisPTate]

So god sent jesus (himself) to save us from himself. He did that so he could forgive sins. Atonement.
Why didnt he do that, instead of the flood? Why did he kill the entire planet and almost all the animals, when he could have just sent jesus earlier? Did the omniscient one just not think of jesus yet? Or is he just a freaking psychopath?
This is just another pondering that leaves me in the "WTF" category.

I hope that the following idea will help you to understand. I believe that this idea was known by the first century Messianic Jewish community but this idea was edited out by religious leaders who were too worried about what the Emperor wanted.

I believe that it is difficult to understand this world based on merely one lifetime.

Revelation 13:10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

1. Introduction to Karma and the NDE​

Near-death experience (NDE) testimonies support the reality of karma and its related concept of reincarnation. Karma is an ancient Hindu concept that refers to an action – word, thought or deed – and its effect or consequences. In Eastern religions, karma mostly refers to the principle of cause and effect. In general, a person’s intent and actions (cause) influences their future (effect). Therefore, good intent and good deeds contribute to good karma and happier rebirths, while bad intent and bad deeds contribute to bad karma and worse rebirths. NDEs do not support the idea of karma as a system of punishment however. NDErs have come back convinced that karma is a law of love and learning which is built into the universe. Their encounters with Beings of Light, panoramic life reviews, pre-birth planning memories, and glimpses of past lives suggest that nothing we think, feel, or do is ever lost. Every intention leaves an imprint in a larger spiritual reality and eventually returns to us for educational purposes. Karma in the NDE testimonies in this article is described less like a cosmic courtroom and more like a perfectly tailored educational curriculum.

Karma and reincarnation exists as twin principles of spiritual growth. NDErs describe choosing their parents, life circumstances, and even the amount of karma they will “meet and settle” before birth. Some, like Arthur Yensen and Edgar Cayce, portray Earth as a school where difficult conditions are not random misfortune but carefully selected lessons. Others, like the subjects studied by Dr. Michael Newton, report pre-life memories with spirit guides and soul groups in which past actions are reviewed and future lives are planned. The goal is the healing of old wounds, balancing karmic debts, and advancing spiritual growth. Life reviews during NDEs reinforce this view: people relive their actions from the standpoint of those they helped or hurt, discovering that what they do to others, they truly do to themselves. Karma, in this context, is experienced as an impersonal but compassionate law of cause and effect. Karma, therefore, is the process of self-realization. The goal is to become so enlightened that all our negative karma is gone and we do not need to reincarnate to take on more karma and suffering.

Karma and the Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

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I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus paid off all debt, all guilt, all karma during his scourging, crucifixion and during His three days in hell before He was resurrected.

[Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D.] : "Jesus shared with me about the time He spent in hell after dying on the cross. He said during the time He was cut off from the Father and the Holy Spirit, He experienced torment and punishment for everyone's sins so that we could escape the pain and punishment we deserve. no human being needs to go to hell because Jesus paid the debt created by all our sins.

He was extremely passionate when He talked about His anguish of separation from God. He said that He had to go deep within Himself to remember and rehearse His identity with the Father because circumstances were screaming the opposite.

ABANDONED BY GOD

Think about it: Jesus had never experienced a moment without the Father's presence until He was dying on the cross and uttered, "'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that it, 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?'" [Matthew 27:46] Satan thought he had defeated Jesus until He received the command from the Father to walk out of hell and take with Him the righteous dead. The Apostle Paul reported in the book of Ephesians, "When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men" [Ephesians 4:8-9]. In Revelation 1:18, Jesus said of Himself, "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death."

The Father promised Jesus that by His following through with the salvation plan, God would unite humanity with Him in a plan for their redemption. Jesus expressed to me with great emotion, in a broken voice, the anguish He went through for us and His great longing that I share its importance with everyone who would listen:
"And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2L8-11."

[Heavenly Visitation, Encountering the Supernatural Jesus, Outreach Edition, Kevin L. Zadai Th. D., page 15 - 17].

www.KevinZadai.com/

 

[Slyhunter]

I hope that the following idea will help you to understand. I believe that this idea was known by the first century Messianic Jewish community but this idea was edited out by religious leaders who were too worried about what the Emperor wanted.

I believe that it is difficult to understand this world based on merely one lifetime.





I believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus paid off all debt, all guilt, all karma during his scourging, crucifixion and during His three days in hell before He was resurrected.

Merging Religions are we. What a interesting but novel concept. I would love to have faith that you are correct, but then there is that word again, faith.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Inchoate A'priori Coherence "

* Implicit Principalities And Order Are Intuitive Inductive Deductive *

I hear from the Holy Spirit everyday. But then again I am open to it.

Hymn thinks yearn allusions about that which is being " heard " are pretentious , with purposes to invoke a precedence of yearn conjectures for normative values .

Another may experience similar feelings and associate the representations with other aspects or qualities within nature , but not offer pretentious conjectures about validity for public policy from their woke feelings .

 

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" Inchoate A'priori Coherence "

* Implicit Principalities And Order Are Intuitive Inductive Deductive *

Hymn thinks yearn allusions about that which is being " heard " are pretentious , with purposes to invoke a precedence of yearn conjectures for normative values .

Another may experience similar feelings and associate the representations with other aspects or qualities within nature , but not offer pretentious conjectures about validity for public policy from their woke feelings .

There's nothing subjective about outcomes. The proof is in the pudding. The Holy Spirit turns on all the learning centers of the mind. I prefer you not tap into this power. But then again, there's probably no risk of that as you don't seem capable of dying to self and that's what's required to hear the Holy Spirit.

 

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Merging Religions are we. What a interesting but novel concept. I would love to have faith that you are correct, but then there is that word again, faith.

...we are supposed to believe because a book written over 2,000 years ago told us to.

Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I don't put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.

As hard as it may be for some to believe, the evidence for the divinity of Christ is overwhelming. So it's not just because "some book" told us so. It's for good reason. The people who don't believe have never examined the evidence. So they have no good reason to believe in the divinity of Christ but it's their own fault that they don't.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Whole He Spire It "

* Subjective Perspective Of Mortal Philosophers *

There's nothing subjective about outcomes. The proof is in the pudding. The Holy Spirit turns on all the learning centers of the mind. I prefer you not tap into this power. But then again, there's probably no risk of that as you don't seem capable of dying to self and that's what's required to hear the Holy Spirit.

Perspectivism asserts there are no epistemological absolutes about knowledge of a thing .

The statement "there are no epistemological absolutes" reflects epistemic relativism, a philosophical stance claiming knowledge standards aren't universal but vary by individual or culture, challenging objective truth and absolute certainty in knowledge.

. Epistemology - Wikipedia .

. Perspectivism - Wikipedia .
Perspectivism (also called perspectivalism) is the epistemological principle that perception of and knowledge of something are always bound to the interpretive perspectives of those observing it. While perspectivism does not regard all perspectives and interpretations as being of equal truth or value, it holds that no one has access to an absolute view of the world cut off from perspective.[1] Instead, all such viewing occurs from some point of view which in turn affects how things are perceived. Rather than attempt to determine truth by correspondence to things outside any perspective, perspectivism thus generally seeks to determine truth by comparing and evaluating perspectives among themselves.[1]

* Anecdotal *

. Sefirot - Wikipedia .
. Tree of life (Kabbalah) - Wikipedia .

 

[Slyhunter]

Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I don't put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.

As hard as it may be for some to believe, the evidence for the divinity of Christ is overwhelming. So it's not just because "some book" told us so. It's for good reason. The people who don't believe have never examined the evidence. So they have no good reason to believe in the divinity of Christ but it's their own fault that they don't.

What evidence besides books and monuments of men?

 

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What evidence besides books and monuments of men?

For starters... non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God and the Babylonian Talmud recorded that Jesus was put to death for performing miracles (sorcery) and for claiming to be equal to God (apostasy). Both of which corroborate the accounts detailed in the 24,000 written manuscripts. There are no accounts which challenge the miracles performed by Jesus or that he rose from the dead. Then there's the behavior of the first Christians who were in hiding in fear when he was arrested but came out of hiding proclaiming the divinity of Jesus without fear after he rose from the dead. And they did so despite being persecuted for it and imprisoned for it.

 

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Perspectivism asserts there are no epistemological absolutes about knowledge of a thing .

If that's what you believe you have just invalidated everything you have ever claimed. Good thing I do believe that for any given thing there is a final state of fact. That once discovered it understood that it was always that way even when it wasn't accepted as truth. This is called objective truth or reality.

 

[Slyhunter]

For starters... non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God and the Babylonian Talmud recorded that Jesus was put to death for performing miracles (sorcery) and for claiming to be equal to God (apostasy). Both of which corroborate the accounts detailed in the 24,000 written manuscripts. There are no accounts which challenge the miracles performed by Jesus or that he rose from the dead. Then there's the behavior of the first Christians who were in hiding in fear when he was arrested but came out of hiding proclaiming the divinity of Jesus without fear after he rose from the dead. And they did so despite being persecuted for it and imprisoned for it.

Ok, and?

 

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Ok, and?

And why else do you believe they worshiped Jesus as if it wan't because they witnessed him perform miracles and saw the risen Christ?

 

[Slyhunter]

And why else do you believe they worshiped Jesus as if it wan't because they witnessed him perform miracles and saw the risen Christ?

Same reason they worship Joel Olsteen.

 

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Same reason they worship Joel Olsteen.

Setting aside the fact that no one worships Joel Osteen as God, you believe they witnessed Joel Olsteen controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death?

I don't think so. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles.

1. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats.
2. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed.
3. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy.
4. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts.
5. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy.
6. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected.
7. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts.
8. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.

The resurrection is supported by the Christian departure from the Jewish perception of resurrection and the remarkable rise of Christian Messianism. It actually begins to worship Jesus as Lord, associate Him with divine status, and attribute to Him co-eternity with the Father. This is not only historically unique, but also apologetically unappealing – so much so that the early Church had to pay the ultimate price for it (including separation from the synagogue and even persecution). Additionally, the early Church organized itself into a missionary community that not only went beyond the boundaries of Israel but also to the very frontiers of the Roman Empire, making it one of the most pluralistic religious organizations in the history of religions. With a crucified Messiah as its head, the early Church formed one of the most dynamically expansive communities in history.