Zone1 Another question to ponder.

[Hafar1014]

What about the Christian dogma doesn't make sense? Or what about Jewish doesn't make sense?

Quantril

ITs copy of the classic hero myth repeated many times in many cultures. Virgin birth resurrection etc. Thats been uncovered by Joseph Campbell. You cant have 3 in one God concept. You also cant dies fr the sins of others. There is no original sin in Genesis therefore no reason for Jesus to exist at all.

 

[Quantrill]

Why did he create them if he knew they would end up they way they did?

Well, the creation of man is long after the creation of angels. The fall of Satan and his angels was long before the creation of man. Thus the creation of man occurs during that spiritual warfare between God and His angels and Satan and his angels. And the fall of man was part of the angelic warfare. And has been ever since.

To Satan, Lucifer, authority over the earth had been given. Thus God hit him and his angels and placed the earth in judgement till time to create man, another creature. And man would be in the image of God. And man would be who would have authority over the earth. Not the angels. Creating tremendous jealousy and hatred of Satan and his angels against man.

The spiritual warfare is important because of the angels who did not follow satan. And it would be important for mankind as well to see what it's like to live in a world under Satan's authority. Which we do now since the fall of Adam gave back the earth to Satan. Both angels and man can see what living with Satan in authority, is like.

Which also accomplishes the death of man, whereby those who are of God, become true sons of God. Of His nature.

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

Well, the creation of man is long after the creation of angels. The fall of Satan and his angels was long before the creation of man. Thus the creation of man occurs during that spiritual warfare between God and His angels and Satan and his angels. And the fall of man was part of the angelic warfare. And has been ever since.

To Satan, Lucifer, authority over the earth had been given. Thus God hit him and his angels and placed the earth in judgement till time to create man, another creature. And man would be in the image of God. And man would be who would have authority over the earth. Not the angels. Creating tremendous jealousy and hatred of Satan and his angels against man.

The spiritual warfare is important because of the angels who did not follow satan. And it would be important for mankind as well to see what it's like to live in a world under Satan's authority. Which we do now since the fall of Adam gave back the earth to Satan. Both angels and man can see what living with Satan in authority, is like.

Which also accomplishes the death of man, whereby those who are of God, become true sons of God. Of His nature.

Quantrill

You never answer questions.
If god knew all those people wouldnt be godly, why did he create them?

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, the creation of man is long after the creation of angels. The fall of Satan and his angels was long before the creation of man. Thus the creation of man occurs during that spiritual warfare between God and His angels and Satan and his angels. And the fall of man was part of the angelic warfare. And has been ever since.

To Satan, Lucifer, authority over the earth had been given. Thus God hit him and his angels and placed the earth in judgement till time to create man, another creature. And man would be in the image of God. And man would be who would have authority over the earth. Not the angels. Creating tremendous jealousy and hatred of Satan and his angels against man.

The spiritual warfare is important because of the angels who did not follow satan. And it would be important for mankind as well to see what it's like to live in a world under Satan's authority. Which we do now since the fall of Adam gave back the earth to Satan. Both angels and man can see what living with Satan in authority, is like.

Which also accomplishes the death of man, whereby those who are of God, become true sons of God. Of His nature.

Quantrill

Lucifer is the bearer of enlightenment how did he become satan

 

[Quantrill]

ITs copy of the classic hero myth repeated many times in many cultures. Virgin birth resurrection etc. Thats been uncovered by Joseph Campbell. You cant have 3 in one God concept. You also cant dies fr the sins of others. There is no original sin in Genesis therefore no reason for Jesus to exist at all.

The virgin birth and resurrection are based upon the God of the Bible. All others are but imitation religions created after man rebelled and moved away from God.

If God says He is three, you can have the Trinity. If God says one can die for all, and one can sin for all, then it exists. And God implements the results of it. Only if God recognizes and approves of something, will the result be implemented.

There is original sin in (Genesis). You just don't believe it. There is Jesus dying for all in the Gospels, you just don't believe it. You just don't believe the Bible, which is fine, you don't have to.

But all you can offer are your words of unbelief, which persuade no one.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

You never answer questions.
If god knew all those people wouldnt be godly, why did he create them?

I already told you.

Go back and read again.

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

Lucifer is the bearer of enlightenment how did he become satan

Lucifer - Morningstar
Jesus - Morningstar
Weird

 

[Quantrill]

Lucifer is the bearer of enlightenment how did he become satan

He sinned against God.

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

I already told you.

Go back and read again.

Quantrill

No you didnt. You beat around the bush because you are scared to answer the question directly.

 

[Quantrill]

No you didnt. You beat around the bush because you are scared to answer the question directly.

No, I answered your questions. And for some reason, that disappoints you. Typical.

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

No, I answered your questions. And for some reason, that disappoints you. Typical.

Quantrill

ok

 

[Hafar1014]

He sinned against God.

Quantrill

No thats Satan Lucifer brought enlightenment. Christians dont want enlightenment they e=want obedience. So they changed Lucifer into Satan

 

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Every though belief and act is based on emotions. 100% objectivity is not possible. Reality is in a state of chaos or freedom. You can be a virtuous person and get struck by lightning get cancer or have a stroke.
All existence is good? Ask the Jews about that one. All existence is free. How you respond is your choice. God is not a player.

You are arguing with Maimonides. Do you know who Maimonides is?

 

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Why did he create them if he knew they would end up they way they did?

Exactly. Which is why it didn't happen. Man can't choose to be virtuous without having knowledge of good and evil.

Of course that's not near as much fun because you can't gas light Christians with that.

 

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You never answer questions.
If god knew all those people wouldnt be godly, why did he create them?

Exactly. Which is why it didn't happen. Man can't choose to be virtuous without having knowledge of good and evil.

 

[TNHarley]

Exactly. Which is why it didn't happen. Man can't choose to be virtuous without having knowledge of good and evil.

Of course that's not near as much fun because you can't gas light Christians with that.

Well, he is a psychopath, so I wouldnt put it past him to create them just to kill them. Like the canaanites.

 

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No you didnt. You beat around the bush because you are scared to answer the question directly.

How many times do you need to hear the answer, TN.

God didn't send a flood to kill the entire planet. The flood account was an allegorical account of an historical event that was so out of the ordinary and unusual that it was noteworthy enough to be passed down orally from generation to generation. And like the other historical events in the first eleven chapters of Genesis, it was embellished with moral truths to make it more memorable so that it was easier to remember and pass down.

 

[ding]

Well, he is a psychopath, so I wouldnt put it past him to create them just to kill them. Like the canaanites.

Was that supposed to make me angry? It's not working. I'm 50 steps ahead of you at all times.

 

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Like the canaanites.

Why don't you make a gas lighting OP on that one too and I'll correct your errors like I did in this one?

 

[TNHarley]

Was that supposed to make me angry? It's not working. I'm 50 steps ahead of you at all times.

No, narcissist.