Zone1 A Great Authority Given Unto the Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ

Any Christian can perform water baptisms. I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit alone in prayer. In the Book of Acts they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and no one touched them. There is no priesthood in the Church and never has been. Every believer is a priest, that's what Scripture says.

Mormons believe their Church is the only true church. So which church was the only true Church during the days of the Book of Acts? The Jehovah Witnesses also believe that they are the only true church. Here's a fact, there is no such as a true church. The church is every believer in Jesus. The church isn't an organization. The church is every believer in Jesus. Period.
1 Timothy 2:7
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

This verse tells us that to be a preacher and an apostle, you need to receive an ordination.

Acts 14:23
23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

In order to hold priesthood you must be called and chosen and not take this honor upon thyself.

Hebrews 5:1-6
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The priesthood is obtained by one who already holds the priesthood. You receive it by the laying on of hands by one who already has the priesthood. Jesus himself holds the high priesthood and is the great high priest.

There were certainly High Priests, Seventy, Apostles, Prophets, Elders, Priests, Deacons mentioned in the New Testament within the Church of Christ who were ordained and and who ministered unto the people. Jesus himself holds the Melchizedek priesthood and called chose his 12 apostles to lead his church. Ordinances of the priesthood cannot be performed by one who does not hold the priesthood. One can receive the Holy Ghost have it touch his heart, but you cannot have the gift of the Holy Ghost without receiving this ordinance by the laying on of hands from one who has this authority. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an ordinance that allow you to have the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost as long as you remain faithful. So you can receive the Holy Ghost at times but without the laying on of hands by one having authority you cannot receive the gift of the Holy Ghost as a constant companion.
 
1 Timothy 2:7
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

This verse tells us that to be a preacher and an apostle, you need to receive an ordination.

Acts 14:23
23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

In order to hold priesthood you must be called and chosen and not take this honor upon thyself.

Hebrews 5:1-6
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The priesthood is obtained by one who already holds the priesthood. You receive it by the laying on of hands by one who already has the priesthood. Jesus himself holds the high priesthood and is the great high priest.

There were certainly High Priests, Seventy, Apostles, Prophets, Elders, Priests, Deacons mentioned in the New Testament within the Church of Christ who were ordained and and who ministered unto the people. Jesus himself holds the Melchizedek priesthood and called chose his 12 apostles to lead his church. Ordinances of the priesthood cannot be performed by one who does not hold the priesthood. One can receive the Holy Ghost have it touch his heart, but you cannot have the gift of the Holy Ghost without receiving this ordinance by the laying on of hands from one who has this authority. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an ordinance that allow you to have the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost as long as you remain faithful. So you can receive the Holy Ghost at times but without the laying on of hands by one having authority you cannot receive the gift of the Holy Ghost as a constant companion.
In the Scriptures you quoted in Acts and John, Jesus didn't ordain anyone as a Priest.

In Hebrews, the writer is referring to the Jewish Priesthood, not the Church. You're confused. Show us where Priests are ordained for the Church.
 
The Book of Mormon was translated from the golden plates that were given to Joseph Smith by the angel Moroni. Others have witnessed these golden plates. Their testimony is found at the beginning of each Book of Mormon and are as follows:

The Testimony of Three Witnesses​

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Oliver Cowdery
David Whitmer
Martin Harris

The Testimony of Eight Witnesses​

Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.
Christian Whitmer
Jacob Whitmer
Peter Whitmer, Jun.
John Whitmer
Hiram Page
Joseph Smith, Sen.
Hyrum Smith
Samuel H. Smith

The Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith​

The Prophet Joseph Smith’s own words about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon are:
“On the evening of the … twenty-first of September [1823] … I betook myself to prayer and supplication to Almighty God. …
“While I was thus in the act of calling upon God, I discovered a light appearing in my room, which continued to increase until the room was lighter than at noonday, when immediately a personage appeared at my bedside, standing in the air, for his feet did not touch the floor.
“He had on a loose robe of most exquisite whiteness. It was a whiteness beyond anything earthly I had ever seen; nor do I believe that any earthly thing could be made to appear so exceedingly white and brilliant. His hands were naked, and his arms also, a little above the wrist; so, also, were his feet naked, as were his legs, a little above the ankles. His head and neck were also bare. I could discover that he had no other clothing on but this robe, as it was open, so that I could see into his bosom.
“Not only was his robe exceedingly white, but his whole person was glorious beyond description, and his countenance truly like lightning. The room was exceedingly light, but not so very bright as immediately around his person. When I first looked upon him, I was afraid; but the fear soon left me.
“He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni; that God had a work for me to do; and that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people.
“He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;
“Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted ‘seers’ in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book. …
“Again, he told me, that when I got those plates of which he had spoken—for the time that they should be obtained was not yet fulfilled—I should not show them to any person; neither the breastplate with the Urim and Thummim; only to those to whom I should be commanded to show them; if I did I should be destroyed. While he was conversing with me about the plates, the vision was opened to my mind that I could see the place where the plates were deposited, and that so clearly and distinctly that I knew the place again when I visited it.
“After this communication, I saw the light in the room begin to gather immediately around the person of him who had been speaking to me, and it continued to do so until the room was again left dark, except just around him; when, instantly I saw, as it were, a conduit open right up into heaven, and he ascended till he entirely disappeared, and the room was left as it had been before this heavenly light had made its appearance.
“I lay musing on the singularity of the scene, and marveling greatly at what had been told to me by this extraordinary messenger; when, in the midst of my meditation, I suddenly discovered that my room was again beginning to get lighted, and in an instant, as it were, the same heavenly messenger was again by my bedside.
“He commenced, and again related the very same things which he had done at his first visit, without the least variation; which having done, he informed me of great judgments which were coming upon the earth, with great desolations by famine, sword, and pestilence; and that these grievous judgments would come on the earth in this generation. Having related these things, he again ascended as he had done before.
“By this time, so deep were the impressions made on my mind, that sleep had fled from my eyes, and I lay overwhelmed in astonishment at what I had both seen and heard. But what was my surprise when again I beheld the same messenger at my bedside, and heard him rehearse or repeat over again to me the same things as before; and added a caution to me, telling me that Satan would try to tempt me (in consequence of the indigent circumstances of my father’s family), to get the plates for the purpose of getting rich. This he forbade me, saying that I must have no other object in view in getting the plates but to glorify God, and must not be influenced by any other motive than that of building his kingdom; otherwise I could not get them.
“After this third visit, he again ascended into heaven as before, and I was again left to ponder on the strangeness of what I had just experienced; when almost immediately after the heavenly messenger had ascended from me for the third time, the cock crowed, and I found that day was approaching, so that our interviews must have occupied the whole of that night.
“I shortly after arose from my bed, and, as usual, went to the necessary labors of the day; but, in attempting to work as at other times, I found my strength so exhausted as to render me entirely unable. My father, who was laboring along with me, discovered something to be wrong with me, and told me to go home. I started with the intention of going to the house; but, in attempting to cross the fence out of the field where we were, my strength entirely failed me, and I fell helpless on the ground, and for a time was quite unconscious of anything.
“The first thing that I can recollect was a voice speaking unto me, calling me by name. I looked up, and beheld the same messenger standing over my head, surrounded by light as before. He then again related unto me all that he had related to me the previous night, and commanded me to go to my father and tell him of the vision and commandments which I had received.
“I obeyed; I returned to my father in the field, and rehearsed the whole matter to him. He replied to me that it was of God, and told me to go and do as commanded by the messenger. I left the field, and went to the place where the messenger had told me the plates were deposited; and owing to the distinctness of the vision which I had had concerning it, I knew the place the instant that I arrived there.
“Convenient to the village of Manchester, Ontario county, New York, stands a hill of considerable size, and the most elevated of any in the neighborhood. On the west side of this hill, not far from the top, under a stone of considerable size, lay the plates, deposited in a stone box. This stone was thick and rounding in the middle on the upper side, and thinner towards the edges, so that the middle part of it was visible above the ground, but the edge all around was covered with earth.
“Having removed the earth, I obtained a lever, which I got fixed under the edge of the stone, and with a little exertion raised it up. I looked in, and there indeed did I behold the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and the breastplate, as stated by the messenger. The box in which they lay was formed by laying stones together in some kind of cement. In the bottom of the box were laid two stones crossways of the box, and on these stones lay the plates and the other things with them.
“I made an attempt to take them out, but was forbidden by the messenger, and was again informed that the time for bringing them forth had not yet arrived, neither would it, until four years from that time; but he told me that I should come to that place precisely in one year from that time, and that he would there meet with me, and that I should continue to do so until the time should come for obtaining the plates.
“Accordingly, as I had been commanded, I went at the end of each year, and at each time I found the same messenger there, and received instruction and intelligence from him at each of our interviews, respecting what the Lord was going to do, and how and in what manner his kingdom was to be conducted in the last days. …
“At length the time arrived for obtaining the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and the breastplate. On the twenty-second day of September, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-seven, having gone as usual at the end of another year to the place where they were deposited, the same heavenly messenger delivered them up to me with this charge: that I should be responsible for them; that if I should let them go carelessly, or through any neglect of mine, I should be cut off; but that if I would use all my endeavors to preserve them, until he, the messenger, should call for them, they should be protected.
“I soon found out the reason why I had received such strict charges to keep them safe, and why it was that the messenger had said that when I had done what was required at my hand, he would call for them. For no sooner was it known that I had them, than the most strenuous exertions were used to get them from me. Every stratagem that could be invented was resorted to for that purpose. The persecution became more bitter and severe than before, and multitudes were on the alert continually to get them from me if possible. But by the wisdom of God, they remained safe in my hands, until I had accomplished by them what was required at my hand. When, according to arrangements, the messenger called for them, I delivered them up to him; and he has them in his charge until this day, being the second day of May, one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight.”
For a more complete account, see Joseph Smith—History in the Pearl of Great Price.
The ancient record thus brought forth from the earth as the voice of a people speaking from the dust, and translated into modern speech by the gift and power of God as attested by Divine affirmation, was first published to the world in the year 1830 as The Book of Mormon.
 
No. There is lots of corroboration about the existence of people and events. I haven't seen much corroboration for specific quotes.

You expect there to be a lot of corroboration for "specific quotes" at a time when most people were illiterate and, even if they could read and write, had very limited access to materials?

You never heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
 
Got it. The Bible is 100% true, except for the parts that you don't like or are blatantly batshit crazy. You call those parts metaphors.

Yes, when the Bible says "the trees clap their hands" it doesn't mean that trees have literal hands. Just so you know, we teach 2nd graders figurative and literal language. 8 year olds
 
From the LDS perspective, if the Catholics were apostate, then those who break off from the Catholics as protestants did not have authority nor priesthood either. The Catholics were so bad that they did realize that something was seriously wrong and broke away from them but did not have the priesthood authority to perform the necessary priesthood ordinances of the gospel. We believe it took a restitution or restoration of the priesthood and church to bring back the church that existed in the days of Christ and his apostles. This came about by many heavenly visitations and a restoring of the priesthood to establish Christ's church once again upon the earth.

...and that prophet said don't drink tea or coffee, but hey, soda bars all over Utah.

I just. No.
 
Mountains are just metaphors for people, big shots, who loomed over the human landscape like immovable mountains. When Ezekiel was told to prophesize to "the mountains of Israel" about their future destruction he went and spoke to people. He didn't start talking to rock formations.

In my life I have seen mountains crumble, stars fall from the sky, after a few words were spoken.

I keep telling you that my distant relation spoke of these fat people , big as mountains -- dwelling in the Land of Fatties who were were constantly at war with themselves and their neighbours . A violent and unhappy people .
 
You expect there to be a lot of corroboration for "specific quotes" at a time when most people were illiterate and, even if they could read and write, had very limited access to materials?

You never heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Yes. And?
 
Again, -------- BATSHIT CRAZY = METAPHORE

That makes things much easier for you, doesn't it?
Easier? Not really. Words have meaning. Take the words literally = batshit crazy. Reveal the hidden meaning to the blind which takes about as much effort as putting on your pants = a duty.

So harder, yes, as long as you are not bat shit crazy too because it boils down to save your own neck or save your brother if you do indeed know the truth. These delusional people are trying to run the world for their imaginary triune mangod, (because he needs their help of course.) Derp.

Shouldn't I even try to open their eyes? If they were, wouldn't the world become a better place?

Immediately.

Anyone can complain about whats wrong, but unless you know what is right, and act on it, nothing will change and these numbskull will continue to **** up the world for generations.

 
Last edited:
In the Scriptures you quoted in Acts and John, Jesus didn't ordain anyone as a Priest.

In Hebrews, the writer is referring to the Jewish Priesthood, not the Church. You're confused. Show us where Priests are ordained for the Church.
Well, it doesn't say, "Priest", but Jesus did ordain his 12 apostles to the ministry.

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Mark 3:14
14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

The apostles themselves, went on to ordain others as priesthood holders to be able to perform the ordinances of the gospel and to preach the good word.

The Jewish priesthood was instituted by the God of the Old Testament, who is Jesus Christ. The Aaronic priesthood is a lesser priesthood and the Melchizedek priesthood is the higher priesthood. Jesus brought back the Melchizedek priesthood which was not give to the children of Israel in the days of Moses. It was however had by many who preceded Moses' day. Melchizedek was a holder of this high priesthood in his days. Jesus came and restored the higher priesthood and also gave unto Peter the power to bind on earth and in heaven.
 
In the Scriptures you quoted in Acts and John, Jesus didn't ordain anyone as a Priest.

In Hebrews, the writer is referring to the Jewish Priesthood, not the Church.
Show me where there are Priests in the Church.
Well, it doesn't say, "Priest", but Jesus did ordain his 12 apostles to the ministry.

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Mark 3:14
14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

The apostles themselves, went on to ordain others as priesthood holders to be able to perform the ordinances of the gospel and to preach the good word.

The Jewish priesthood was instituted by the God of the Old Testament, who is Jesus Christ. The Aaronic priesthood is a lesser priesthood and the Melchizedek priesthood is the higher priesthood. Jesus brought back the Melchizedek priesthood which was not give to the children of Israel in the days of Moses. It was however had by many who preceded Moses' day. Melchizedek was a holder of this high priesthood in his days. Jesus came and restored the higher priesthood and also gave unto Peter the power to bind on earth and in heaven.
There is no priesthood for the Church mentioned in the New Testament. Jesus is our High Priest. Jesus is all we need to speak with God.
 
Someone should have told the guy that put it in the Bible.
I explained what it was. Just like some find it impossible to quit drinking-- It seems like a mountain to overcome--but with faith it can be done.
 
Show me where there are Priests in the Church.

There is no priesthood for the Church mentioned in the New Testament. Jesus is our High Priest. Jesus is all we need to speak with God.
1 Peter 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Acts 6:7
7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.

Revelation 1:5-6
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 
1 Peter 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Acts 6:7
7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.

Revelation 1:5-6
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Peter and Revelation say that believers are Priests, which means we have the authority to be in God's presence. Acts is talking about the Jewish Priests who believe in Jesus. Every officr in the Old Testament is a picture of Jesus. Prophet, King and Priest. Jesus is the fulfillment of it all. A New Testament Prophet is not the same as an Old Testament Prophet. The gift of prophecy is for all believers. Here is an explanation.
 
Yes, in the same exact way that you are a slave... to sin. You have been told that idolatry is the way to eternal life and any thought or objection to that assertion that arises within your own mind, or rational question raised by someone else, is a satanic attack on your "faith" (in a ridiculous lie).

What that does is turn your mind against itself putting you into a state of cognitive dissonance, an artificially induced state of mind that resembles a very deep sleep, where you don't have the sense or awareness to realize in your unrestrained imagination that the more you seem to proceed towards eternal life with God in Heaven by practicing idolatry and desecrating the teachings of Jesus the further you recede from life without God and descend into Hell in reality.

Such is "the power of death" consequent to defying Divine Law, and desecrating the teachings of Jesus, used by Rome to conquer and subjugate "the nations" ever since the Antichrist, a false, counterfeit, triune, substitute, supernatural, sacrificial, virgin diddling, pusillanimous and austere pissed off mangod (that never actually existed) was unleashed on the nations of world in 325 CE.

Believe that. If not, believe your Church and go to confession and ask a priest to ask God to forgive you for that which is not sin and to prove just how sincere and sorry you are for sinning get down on your knees, defy Divine law, bow down to a trinity, desecrate the Body of Christ, then worship and eat the lifeless work of human hands for spiritual life or else you will burn in hell...

FOREVER!

Bwahahaha!

:whip:
 
Last edited:
15th post
Yes, in the same exact way that you are a slave... to sin.
Now you are trying to crawfish away from you claim that the OT didn't embellish the account of Exodus.

You are such a dishonest person.
 
Now you are trying to crawfish away from you claim that the OT didn't embellish the account of Exodus.

You are such a dishonest person.
Wow, say the guy who professes to believe that God was wearing diapers on Christmas Day. derp

Thank you again for helping me to reveal the wisdom of my God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE by so generously displaying for all to see the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for setting that simple instruction aside.
 
Wow, say the guy who professes to believe that God was wearing diapers on Christmas Day. derp

Thank you again for helping me to reveal the wisdom of my God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE by so generously displaying for everyone to see the deeply disturbing death, a curse, for setting that easy instruction aside.
You didn't really say anything here. Maybe try again?
 
Back
Top Bottom