Zone1 Why not just amend the National Firearms Act to include ARs and AKs?

[MarathonMike]

I wonder if it's possible to have a real discussion on so called "assault weapons" without it devolving into hysterics. Let's see. I propose that if the Democrats really wanted to ban ARs and AKs they could do it simply by amending the already existing National FireArms Act of 1934. It has already been amended twice so why not just stop with the angry speeches and amend this law to do it? It is clearly related to the new class of weapons so named "assault weapons". I believe the Democrats don't really want to do anything, they get more political mileage out of posturing and speech making on "Gun Control". What say you?

National Firearms Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA...

www.atf.gov

 

[Ordinary Guy]

They need to define them correctly first, guns sold to the public may look like assault weapons but aren't anything close to those used by the military, swat, and other tactical units.

 

[1srelluc]

Congress can't agree on what to name a fuckin' walking trail in a National Park so good luck with that.

At least the SCOTUS just taking up "chevron" will make congress do their fucking job if it's struck down instead of unelected bureaucrats making up their own interpretations of laws that carry the full weight of the law.

If struck down (even a narrow ruling) anything that was added under interpretation will be void be it the ATF, EPA, etc.

One leftist Justice (Jackson) has already recused herself.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I wonder if it's possible to have a real discussion on so called "assault weapons" without it devolving into hysterics. Let's see. I propose that if the Democrats really wanted to ban ARs and AKs they could do it simply by amending the already existing National FireArms Act of 1934. It has already been amended twice so why not just stop with the angry speeches and amend this law to do it? It is clearly related to the new class of weapons so named "assault weapons". I believe the Democrats don't really want to do anything, they get more political mileage out of posturing and speech making on "Gun Control". What say you?

National Firearms Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA...

www.atf.gov

If they did that, it would open the whole act up for being overturned by SCOTUS when the inevitable lawsuits make it that far.

 

[WinterBorn]

If they did that, it would open the whole act up for being overturned by SCOTUS when the inevitable lawsuits make it that far.

That is what I was thinking. The Federal Firearms Act could be overturned if it were expanded to include simple semi-auto rifles.

 

[MarathonMike]

If they did that, it would open the whole act up for being overturned by SCOTUS when the inevitable lawsuits make it that far.

I'm not sure about that since it's been around for 90 years and was already amended twice. My point is, if the Democrats really wanted to "get something done" about ARs and such, the NFA would seem to be the logical vehicle to make that happen.

 

[alang1216]

I wonder if it's possible to have a real discussion on so called "assault weapons" without it devolving into hysterics. Let's see. I propose that if the Democrats really wanted to ban ARs and AKs they could do it simply by amending the already existing National FireArms Act of 1934. It has already been amended twice so why not just stop with the angry speeches and amend this law to do it? It is clearly related to the new class of weapons so named "assault weapons". I believe the Democrats don't really want to do anything, they get more political mileage out of posturing and speech making on "Gun Control". What say you?

Sorry, but we live in a democracy so it is unlikely to happen. A ban on these weapons is far more likely. Only 23 percent of all voters oppose an assault weapons ban, a poll found. Including a majority of Republicans.

I amazes me how people can be so in their bubble they have no clue what the average American thinks.

 

[MarathonMike]

Sorry, but we live in a democracy so it is unlikely to happen. A ban on these weapons is far more likely. Only 23 percent of all voters oppose an assault weapons ban, a poll found. Including a majority of Republicans.

I amazes me how people can be so in their bubble they have no clue what the average American thinks.

Sorry but we live in a democracy? You mean like how they amended the NFA twice per democratic processes? Do you understand the premise of the discussion?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

all the ar and ak sold in the states are is semi auto rifles same as every other semi auto rifle. they cant ban them and they cant change the act because it would invalidate the entire thing.

 

[Couchpotato]

I wonder if it's possible to have a real discussion on so called "assault weapons" without it devolving into hysterics. Let's see. I propose that if the Democrats really wanted to ban ARs and AKs they could do it simply by amending the already existing National FireArms Act of 1934. It has already been amended twice so why not just stop with the angry speeches and amend this law to do it? It is clearly related to the new class of weapons so named "assault weapons". I believe the Democrats don't really want to do anything, they get more political mileage out of posturing and speech making on "Gun Control". What say you?

National Firearms Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA...

www.atf.gov

Would you outlaw this?

https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/09/640a29f7b3beac555ed342b38744315428c1fbb23d094.jpg?imwidth=1200

 

[AZrailwhale]

Would you outlaw this?

https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/09/640a29f7b3beac555ed342b38744315428c1fbb23d094.jpg?imwidth=1200

nope

 

[WinterBorn]

Would you outlaw this?

https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/09/640a29f7b3beac555ed342b38744315428c1fbb23d094.jpg?imwidth=1200

No, I wouldn't.

Partly for the usual reasons concerning gun bans.

But also because these crazy fucks need to use that rifle when they invade an elementary school. Who ever they aim at is safe. Worst accuracy of any rifle I have ever fired,

 

[MarathonMike]

all the ar and ak sold in the states are is semi auto rifles same as every other semi auto rifle. they cant ban them and they cant change the act because it would invalidate the entire thing.

The NFA already restricts the sale of "machine guns, short barreled shotguns and silencers" so it is already covers multiple weapon types. It is not a stretch to add semi-autos to the NFA. I don't follow you that it would invalidate the entire law.

Again I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR THIS, I am saying if the Democrats want so desperately to restrict ARs and AKs why wouldn't they start with the NFA?

 

[MarathonMike]

Would you outlaw this?

https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/09/640a29f7b3beac555ed342b38744315428c1fbb23d094.jpg?imwidth=1200

No one gets this thread. I'm not pushing to outlaw anything, it is a discussion of the National Firearms Act and why the Democrats never bring it up when they beat the drums for banning assault weapons.

 

[alang1216]

Sorry but we live in a democracy? You mean like how they amended the NFA twice per democratic processes? Do you understand the premise of the discussion?

'They' being democratically elected representatives?

 

[Couchpotato]

The NFA already restricts the sale of "machine guns, short barreled shotguns and silencers" so it is already covers multiple weapon types. It is not a stretch to add semi-autos to the NFA. I don't follow you that it would invalidate the entire law.

Again I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR THIS, I am saying if the Democrats want so desperately to restrict ARs and AKs why wouldn't they start with the NFA?

All semi automatics?

 

[Blues Man]

I'm not sure about that since it's been around for 90 years and was already amended twice. My point is, if the Democrats really wanted to "get something done" about ARs and such, the NFA would seem to be the logical vehicle to make that happen.

An AR is nothing but a commonplace semiautomatic rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle that has been available to civilians for over 100 years now.

 

[Blues Man]

All semi automatics?

That is the actual goal of the gun control freaks

 

[badbob85037]

I wonder if it's possible to have a real discussion on so called "assault weapons" without it devolving into hysterics. Let's see. I propose that if the Democrats really wanted to ban ARs and AKs they could do it simply by amending the already existing National FireArms Act of 1934. It has already been amended twice so why not just stop with the angry speeches and amend this law to do it? It is clearly related to the new class of weapons so named "assault weapons". I believe the Democrats don't really want to do anything, they get more political mileage out of posturing and speech making on "Gun Control". What say you?

National Firearms Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA...

www.atf.gov

Why not take all firearm laws and bills against the Second Amendment make them null and void, take all elected officals that sponcered a bill or supported a law against the Second Amendment and have them made to stand trial in a peoples court for violation of their oath following the Constitution?

 

[Ordinary Guy]

The NFA already restricts the sale of "machine guns, short barreled shotguns and silencers" so it is already covers multiple weapon types. It is not a stretch to add semi-autos to the NFA. I don't follow you that it would invalidate the entire law.

Again I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR THIS, I am saying if the Democrats want so desperately to restrict ARs and AKs why wouldn't they start with the NFA?

semi autos would get pistols, hunting rifles, shotguns etc