US Democrats are to the Left of Communists

[Si modo]

They have a Communist government but, unlike American Democrats, they have embraced the Free Market.

If they have "embraced the free market," then they do NOT have a Communist government. Or perhaps we should call it "CINO" ("Communist In Name Only").

And you're still lying through your teeth.

Whatever you call them, US Democrats are solidly to their Left

It's communist. Just not communist enough for Dragon's tastes.

 

[Dragon]

"Political parties and leaders:

Chinese Communist Party or CCP [HU Jintao]; eight registered small parties controlled by CCP"

That proves they still call themselves by that name. It does not prove the name is merited. It's not.

 

[Si modo]

"Political parties and leaders:

Chinese Communist Party or CCP [HU Jintao]; eight registered small parties controlled by CCP"

That proves they still call themselves by that name. It does not prove the name is merited. It's not.

I know they aren't communist enough for your tastes, but that does not mean they aren't communist.

They are.

 

[Dot Com]

...If only Republicans would get on board with the Dems that recommended repealing farm subsidies we could be more like Vietnam.

But Republicans are left of the commies.

Clearly, both the ChiComs and the Communist Vietnamese recognize that the heavy hand of the state leads to poverty and misery.

Ummm..... yeah through taxpayer subsidized big biz?
Profile on The Largest Private Corporation: Cargill [Archive] - aznlover

Between 1985 and 1992, the legal entity called Cargill received $800.4 million in tax subsidies via the Export Enhancement Program, a continuation of the infamous “Food for Peace” policy, writes Kneen. Promoted by Hubert H. Humphrey and instituted as PL 480, food became a Cold War tool, i.e. “for Peace.” If we can induce people to “become dependent on us for food,” then “what is a more powerful weapon than food and fiber?” Humphrey declared, according to “Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies” by Noam Chomsky.

Actually, most of the nation recipients of tax-subsidized Cargill food dumping were, and are, net exporters of food already — policies imposed by colonial trading patterns. The food (for Peace) has been bought cheaply by neocolonial regimes, and then sold at a huge discount on the local market — in Somalia, for example, at one-sixth of the local prices. Many examples of these misguided policies can be found in “Betraying the National Interest: How US Foreign AID Threatens Global Security by Undermining the Political and Economic Stability of the Third World,” by Frances Moore Lappe, et al.

Cargill’s undercutting wipes out the local farmers’ self-reliance, while the revenues (going to the elite) are tied to required purchases of U.S. weapons, writes Chomsky, citing “The Soft War” by Tom Barry, 1988. But the main beneficiary of “Food for Peace” has been Cargill. Keen writes, “From 1954 to 1963, just for storing and transporting P.L. 480 commodities, the heavily subsidized giant Cargill made $1 billion.”

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The OP is a reason why Europeans think Americans are stupid, talk to any European who has lived under Communism and any Chinese person who has lived under Communism.

 

[Dragon]

[I know they aren't communist enough for your tastes

My "tastes" are irrelevant. They aren't Communist according to the standard definition of that word.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...If only Republicans would get on board with the Dems that recommended repealing farm subsidies we could be more like Vietnam.

But Republicans are left of the commies.

Clearly, both the ChiComs and the Communist Vietnamese recognize that the heavy hand of the state leads to poverty and misery.

Ummm..... yeah through taxpayer subsidized big biz?
Profile on The Largest Private Corporation: Cargill [Archive] - aznlover

Between 1985 and 1992, the legal entity called Cargill received $800.4 million in tax subsidies via the Export Enhancement Program, a continuation of the infamous “Food for Peace” policy, writes Kneen. Promoted by Hubert H. Humphrey and instituted as PL 480, food became a Cold War tool, i.e. “for Peace.” If we can induce people to “become dependent on us for food,” then “what is a more powerful weapon than food and fiber?” Humphrey declared, according to “Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies” by Noam Chomsky.

Actually, most of the nation recipients of tax-subsidized Cargill food dumping were, and are, net exporters of food already — policies imposed by colonial trading patterns. The food (for Peace) has been bought cheaply by neocolonial regimes, and then sold at a huge discount on the local market — in Somalia, for example, at one-sixth of the local prices. Many examples of these misguided policies can be found in “Betraying the National Interest: How US Foreign AID Threatens Global Security by Undermining the Political and Economic Stability of the Third World,” by Frances Moore Lappe, et al.

Cargill’s undercutting wipes out the local farmers’ self-reliance, while the revenues (going to the elite) are tied to required purchases of U.S. weapons, writes Chomsky, citing “The Soft War” by Tom Barry, 1988. But the main beneficiary of “Food for Peace” has been Cargill. Keen writes, “From 1954 to 1963, just for storing and transporting P.L. 480 commodities, the heavily subsidized giant Cargill made $1 billion.”

I know. Hard to accept that Democrats are to the left of real live Communists

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The OP is a reason why Europeans think Americans are stupid, talk to any European who has lived under Communism and any Chinese person who has lived under Communism.

You're not making any sense. I mean more so than usual

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

"Not long ago, Vietnam was importing a million tons of rice a year. Last year it became the world's second leading rice exporter. "Same people, same land," Vietnam's director of crop production, Dr. Nguyen Tri Ngoc, told me in his Hanoi office, speaking through a translator. "Before, farmers were not really farmers. They were workers in the fields, and they worked under the supervision of the government." And the difference now? "Free markets!" he says in English."

Look at all the good that's come from the Vietnamese rejection of the Democrat favored heavy hand of the state

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

"Not long ago, Vietnam was importing a million tons of rice a year. Last year it became the world's second leading rice exporter. "Same people, same land," Vietnam's director of crop production, Dr. Nguyen Tri Ngoc, told me in his Hanoi office, speaking through a translator. "Before, farmers were not really farmers. They were workers in the fields, and they worked under the supervision of the government." And the difference now? "Free markets!" he says in English."

Look at all the good that's come from the Vietnamese rejection of the Democrat favored heavy hand of the state

Communists favor heavy handedness, and thought Pubs and Dems expect thoughtful government regulations of business. Free markets lead to monopolies, the libertarians' answer to communism.

 

[Si modo]

[I know they aren't communist enough for your tastes

My "tastes" are irrelevant. They aren't Communist according to the standard definition of that word.

So you know better than the CIA Factbook and the Chinese.

 

[Dragon]

So you know better than the CIA Factbook and the Chinese.

Apparently so.

Communism | Define Communism at Dictionary.com

com·mu·nism
   [kom-yuh-niz-uhm]
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2.
(often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Definition 1 refers to the final stage of society in Marxist theory, true communism. Definition 2 refers to what Frank meant in his OP.

Neither definition describes today's China or Vietnam.

Of course, the Chinese government might retain the NAME for the party that it had under Mao for the sake of legitimacy or continuity, and the CIA might acknowledge that name as a matter of nomenclature only. But that does not validate Frank's original argument in any way.

 

[BDBoop]

And U.S. Republicans are found in the Waldorf Hysteria. They can check out anytime they like, but they can NEVER leave.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

Retardplicans like Frank who are far right believe anything even slightly to the left of them is far left and communist.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

"Not long ago, Vietnam was importing a million tons of rice a year. Last year it became the world's second leading rice exporter. "Same people, same land," Vietnam's director of crop production, Dr. Nguyen Tri Ngoc, told me in his Hanoi office, speaking through a translator. "Before, farmers were not really farmers. They were workers in the fields, and they worked under the supervision of the government." And the difference now? "Free markets!" he says in English."

Look at all the good that's come from the Vietnamese rejection of the Democrat favored heavy hand of the state

Communists favor heavy handedness, and thought Pubs and Dems expect thoughtful government regulations of business. Free markets lead to monopolies, the libertarians' answer to communism.

If you went to either Vietnam or China today and suggested they adopt ObamaCare and FinReg, they would lock you up as a lunatic

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

Retardplicans like Frank who are far right believe anything even slightly to the left of them is far left and communist.

I know.

It's embarrassing that Communist have become happy and prosperous since their embrace of Free Enterprise, while US Democrats bitterly cling to the failure of redistribution

 

[JakeStarkey]

Free Enterprise does not make Communists happy, Frank. The state controls the people. Capitalism does not make people free, the Constitution and the spirit of the Declaration of Indepence make people free. Unregulated capitalism and regulated communism enslave people.

 

[francoHFW]

China hardly has free enterprise, moron. Communism is NEVER democratic and always put in by violent revolution.Pub dupes!! Change the channel, a-hole.

Pubs are to the left of Nazis, barely. Thank God for the constitution. How dumb and fearmongered can you get...

 

[paulitician]

No, real live Dems are far to the right of Communism and CrusaderFrank is far to the right of sanity.

Retardplicans like Frank who are far right believe anything even slightly to the left of them is far left and communist.

I know.

It's embarrassing that Communist have become happy and prosperous since their embrace of Free Enterprise, while US Democrats bitterly cling to the failure of redistribution

It is an inreresting dichotomy. The Socialists/Progressives here in America are dragging us closer & closer to Totalitarian rule while former Totalitarian nations are giving their people more freedom. What's going on in this country? It's Twilight Zone shit.