Trump has ordered the largest single-year increase in army recruitment targets

[deanrd]

You lefty/never-Trumpers are a fucking trip. You hate him so much that "fuck the country" it's the anarchist idea of "if we can't have it, no one can!!!!"

Ridiculously immature...

It's your kind that's fuking up the country. How many examples do you want?

Wow, look at all those white people.

 

[martybegan]

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Marty, you still see liberals accuse Bush of dodging by enlisting in the reserves.
Which, btw was the only way to enlist as an officer back then if you didn't go to one of the academies.
It's what John Kerry did.

Daddy got dubya in, skipping over the rest of those on the list. Then dubya went AWOL and didn't show up for his scheduled physicals. Kerry served in Vietnam. So did Al Gore. So did Mueller, obviously. And trump bragged about how he stayed stateside dodging STDs, little values-virgin that he was. Mission accomplished.

you do know the whole GWB AWOL thing has enough holes in it to sink a battleship, right?

 

[August West]

The military is one of the best ways that a government can effectively move people stuck at the financial bottom upward. I'm not sure why the left would complain about this.

On any given night we have between 130,000 and 200,000 homeless vets. They must have missed the memo about their upward mobility.
National Coalition for the Homeless

 

[Lysistrata]

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Marty, you still see liberals accuse Bush of dodging by enlisting in the reserves.
Which, btw was the only way to enlist as an officer back then if you didn't go to one of the academies.
It's what John Kerry did.

Daddy got dubya in, skipping over the rest of those on the list. Then dubya went AWOL and didn't show up for his scheduled physicals. Kerry served in Vietnam. So did Al Gore. So did Mueller, obviously. And trump bragged about how he stayed stateside dodging STDs, little values-virgin that he was. Mission accomplished.

you do know the whole GWB AWOL thing has enough holes in it to sink a battleship, right?

No.

 

[deanrd]

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

Bill who? The president's name is Donald.

 

[martybegan]

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

Bill who? The president's name is Donald.

Nice amnesia you got there.

I still remember how Dems used to mock Bob Dole for his war injuries.

 

[deanrd]

The military is one of the best ways that a government can effectively move people stuck at the financial bottom upward. I'm not sure why the left would complain about this.

On any given night we have between 130,000 and 200,000 homeless vets. They must have missed the memo about their upward mobility.
National Coalition for the Homeless

VA kills plan to cut homeless-vet program after outcry

Cutting GI education bill will impact thousands of veterans

Senate GOP blocks veterans jobs bill

Republicans trick veterans they same way Trump tricked poor whites.

 

[deanrd]

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

Bill who? The president's name is Donald.

Nice amnesia you got there.

I still remember how Dems used to mock Bob Dole for his war injuries.

I don't.
But I do Remember Trump mocking John McCain for his war injuries.

 

[EverCurious]

You lefty/never-Trumpers are a fucking trip. You hate him so much that "fuck the country" it's the anarchist idea of "if we can't have it, no one can!!!!"

Ridiculously immature...

It's your kind that's fuking up the country. How many examples do you want?

Oh, and what exactly have "we" done to "fuck up" the country other than protest the massive influx of unvetted illegals and potential terrorists, and to argue that folks should get to keep the money they make?

Ironic that you post a fake picture protesting whom people want to fuck as if that has any baring on anything other than personal opinion - and no doubt you'd bitch and cry if some right winger said they looked down on guys for fucking other men. You folks are so gone you can't even see your own hypocrisy.

 

[martybegan]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

Bill who? The president's name is Donald.

Nice amnesia you got there.

I still remember how Dems used to mock Bob Dole for his war injuries.

I don't.
But I do Remember Trump mocking John McCain for his war injuries.

of course you don't, you cheap dime store hack.

 

[EverCurious]

The military is one of the best ways that a government can effectively move people stuck at the financial bottom upward. I'm not sure why the left would complain about this.

On any given night we have between 130,000 and 200,000 homeless vets. They must have missed the memo about their upward mobility.
National Coalition for the Homeless

And you wonder why us capitalists say the government sucks at everything they do?

The VA should be run by a private company that would be held accountable for their failures. Even if it were provided grants by the Gov it'd be a shit ton better off - look at like USAA insurance for example. The problem with government is that it's never held accountable, the politicians will sweep the problems under the rug for decades so it doesn't effect their votes, they gov itself will hide it because they don't want to get bitched at by the public, etc.

 

[dannyboys]

You are so wrong about the human psyche, JQ.

How many soldiers do you think signed up specifically to kill Nazi's? To kill "rag heads" (as they put it)?

Would you put your personal beliefs as the beliefs of others and argue that you believe there is no God, therefore there are actually no religious people. How then do you argue that you know the minds of soldiers joining the military during times of war, or peace for that matter?

I speak from experience. I am retired military...a Vietnam era vet.

My entire family is military back to the 30s. So? That doesn't give your opinion and beliefs about if/why people would join during war time any more weight son.


Nearly half of the solider's who I call friends joined up to fight in the ME - the other half joined for the life-long benefits.

Have YOU served? I am talking to YOU not your family, Son! If your family had easy cushy jobs during the war like Reagan and Elvis I am am sure they loved it and had no complaints. But if they were out in the field facing the enemy hand to hand, weapon to weapon, eye to eye, they might have a different perspective. But I'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say some actually saw combat. If so, I'll wager , that to the man, none of them would want their children to join up and go fight for the sake of keeping the interests of rich people overseas intact. And that truism is even more unpalatable considering the madman in the White House.

Again, /your/ personal opinion on if /you/ would join the military during times of war, nor mine, have little to do with why /other/ people join.

For the record though, I tried to serve but the military back then wasn't too keen to bring in women, especially ones who would never be nurses. I wanted to be a sniper, that shit wasn't flying with the brass. That said my family is hugely military; my paternal great-grandparents fled the Nazi's, grandpa then turned around and went back to free his friends who were unable to leave Germany. My maternal grandparents, simple farmers, were ousted from Norway by Hitler's army - as the story goes the soldiers essentially confiscated their farmland so my grandparents had no reason to stay there (and at the time America was as ambivalent to Hitler's take over as their home country was, and there was no reason to believe that their land would be returned to them.) However, I think the most relevant to my point from my family would be my step-grandfather; he'd gotten draft deferments because of his families farmlands (someone had to grow the food to feed the troops ya know) but when his friends who went started dying, when his best friend was shot down over France, he signed up - against his parents wishes. He fought in Japan and was actually a bit miffed that he didn't get to fight the Nazi's who'd killed his friends, though he was happy to kill the "dastardly bastards" (as he would say, speaking of the Japanese who'd attacked Pearl Harbor, of course.)

I'm talking about the kids I've gamed with for the past couple decades, their parents; so many joined up to "kill some ragheads," I've even spoken about one of them who was upset as hell that he got stuck in S. Korea instead of being sent to the ME where he could "make a difference." These are people who joined specifically to fight, specifically /because/ there was a war. Your idea that no one joins when there is a war is bullshit.

The idea that every single war is about rich peoples interests is bullshit, much less the idea that rich people don't fight. My paternal grandparents were rich, that's actually a big part of why they fled because Hitler started confiscating shit to fund his war(s). My step-grandparents were also rich off oil money. My father served, he installed all the electrical wiring in Valdez - despite his wealth. My step father served some 40 years, Army for ten years then National Guard for the rest of his career ... career(s) perhaps, he "retired" from military service twice; once to become a military advisory to the Governor, then he rejoined or whatever to command the youth academy, then retired again. Even now, despite all their wealth, he's a volunteer police officer who's been named volunteer officer of the year twice (he even helped a bit with the Vegas shooter case in Mesquite.) By all rights he could retire and enjoy his trips and such, but no, he continues to serve his community just as he always has his entire life; because some people are just like that. "Live to serve" is not just a stupid slogan for some people son.

See also:

Young men and women from the wealthiest families know they can enlist for one tour and get a lifetime of "I served in the military' line on their CVs.
Stats suggest that the poorest in the military are the ones who are serving in forward positions. Just like in VN. For one thing they tend to be in better physical shape. Second they tend to follow orders better than 'wealthy' troops.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Army has been told to enlist 80,000 new troops this year...that's gonna be tough to do!

Cut taxes, say you're going to pull back from the world, threaten North Korea, and then increase troop numbers.

What exactly is his strategy here? Confuse the fuck out of people and then rape them in a few years? No idea.

 

[EverCurious]

You are so wrong about the human psyche, JQ.

How many soldiers do you think signed up specifically to kill Nazi's? To kill "rag heads" (as they put it)?

Would you put your personal beliefs as the beliefs of others and argue that you believe there is no God, therefore there are actually no religious people. How then do you argue that you know the minds of soldiers joining the military during times of war, or peace for that matter?

I speak from experience. I am retired military...a Vietnam era vet.

My entire family is military back to the 30s. So? That doesn't give your opinion and beliefs about if/why people would join during war time any more weight son.


Nearly half of the solider's who I call friends joined up to fight in the ME - the other half joined for the life-long benefits.

Have YOU served? I am talking to YOU not your family, Son! If your family had easy cushy jobs during the war like Reagan and Elvis I am am sure they loved it and had no complaints. But if they were out in the field facing the enemy hand to hand, weapon to weapon, eye to eye, they might have a different perspective. But I'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say some actually saw combat. If so, I'll wager , that to the man, none of them would want their children to join up and go fight for the sake of keeping the interests of rich people overseas intact. And that truism is even more unpalatable considering the madman in the White House.

Again, /your/ personal opinion on if /you/ would join the military during times of war, nor mine, have little to do with why /other/ people join.

For the record though, I tried to serve but the military back then wasn't too keen to bring in women, especially ones who would never be nurses. I wanted to be a sniper, that shit wasn't flying with the brass. That said my family is hugely military; my paternal great-grandparents fled the Nazi's, grandpa then turned around and went back to free his friends who were unable to leave Germany. My maternal grandparents, simple farmers, were ousted from Norway by Hitler's army - as the story goes the soldiers essentially confiscated their farmland so my grandparents had no reason to stay there (and at the time America was as ambivalent to Hitler's take over as their home country was, and there was no reason to believe that their land would be returned to them.) However, I think the most relevant to my point from my family would be my step-grandfather; he'd gotten draft deferments because of his families farmlands (someone had to grow the food to feed the troops ya know) but when his friends who went started dying, when his best friend was shot down over France, he signed up - against his parents wishes. He fought in Japan and was actually a bit miffed that he didn't get to fight the Nazi's who'd killed his friends, though he was happy to kill the "dastardly bastards" (as he would say, speaking of the Japanese who'd attacked Pearl Harbor, of course.)

I'm talking about the kids I've gamed with for the past couple decades, their parents; so many joined up to "kill some ragheads," I've even spoken about one of them who was upset as hell that he got stuck in S. Korea instead of being sent to the ME where he could "make a difference." These are people who joined specifically to fight, specifically /because/ there was a war. Your idea that no one joins when there is a war is bullshit.

The idea that every single war is about rich peoples interests is bullshit, much less the idea that rich people don't fight. My paternal grandparents were rich, that's actually a big part of why they fled because Hitler started confiscating shit to fund his war(s). My step-grandparents were also rich off oil money. My father served, he installed all the electrical wiring in Valdez - despite his wealth. My step father served some 40 years, Army for ten years then National Guard for the rest of his career ... career(s) perhaps, he "retired" from military service twice; once to become a military advisory to the Governor, then he rejoined or whatever to command the youth academy, then retired again. Even now, despite all their wealth, he's a volunteer police officer who's been named volunteer officer of the year twice (he even helped a bit with the Vegas shooter case in Mesquite.) By all rights he could retire and enjoy his trips and such, but no, he continues to serve his community just as he always has his entire life; because some people are just like that. "Live to serve" is not just a stupid slogan for some people son.

See also:

Young men and women from the wealthiest families know they can enlist for one tour and get a lifetime of "I served in the military' line on their CVs.
Stats suggest that the poorest in the military are the ones who are serving in forward positions. Just like in VN. For one thing they tend to be in better physical shape. Second they tend to follow orders better than 'wealthy' troops.

Yep, all the women who served as nurses on the back lines are just shit bags, or had "wealthy" parents right? Please.

 

[dannyboys]

I speak from experience. I am retired military...a Vietnam era vet.

My entire family is military back to the 30s. So? That doesn't give your opinion and beliefs about if/why people would join during war time any more weight son.


Nearly half of the solider's who I call friends joined up to fight in the ME - the other half joined for the life-long benefits.

Have YOU served? I am talking to YOU not your family, Son! If your family had easy cushy jobs during the war like Reagan and Elvis I am am sure they loved it and had no complaints. But if they were out in the field facing the enemy hand to hand, weapon to weapon, eye to eye, they might have a different perspective. But I'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say some actually saw combat. If so, I'll wager , that to the man, none of them would want their children to join up and go fight for the sake of keeping the interests of rich people overseas intact. And that truism is even more unpalatable considering the madman in the White House.

Again, /your/ personal opinion on if /you/ would join the military during times of war, nor mine, have little to do with why /other/ people join.

For the record though, I tried to serve but the military back then wasn't too keen to bring in women, especially ones who would never be nurses. I wanted to be a sniper, that shit wasn't flying with the brass. That said my family is hugely military; my paternal great-grandparents fled the Nazi's, grandpa then turned around and went back to free his friends who were unable to leave Germany. My maternal grandparents, simple farmers, were ousted from Norway by Hitler's army - as the story goes the soldiers essentially confiscated their farmland so my grandparents had no reason to stay there (and at the time America was as ambivalent to Hitler's take over as their home country was, and there was no reason to believe that their land would be returned to them.) However, I think the most relevant to my point from my family would be my step-grandfather; he'd gotten draft deferments because of his families farmlands (someone had to grow the food to feed the troops ya know) but when his friends who went started dying, when his best friend was shot down over France, he signed up - against his parents wishes. He fought in Japan and was actually a bit miffed that he didn't get to fight the Nazi's who'd killed his friends, though he was happy to kill the "dastardly bastards" (as he would say, speaking of the Japanese who'd attacked Pearl Harbor, of course.)

I'm talking about the kids I've gamed with for the past couple decades, their parents; so many joined up to "kill some ragheads," I've even spoken about one of them who was upset as hell that he got stuck in S. Korea instead of being sent to the ME where he could "make a difference." These are people who joined specifically to fight, specifically /because/ there was a war. Your idea that no one joins when there is a war is bullshit.

The idea that every single war is about rich peoples interests is bullshit, much less the idea that rich people don't fight. My paternal grandparents were rich, that's actually a big part of why they fled because Hitler started confiscating shit to fund his war(s). My step-grandparents were also rich off oil money. My father served, he installed all the electrical wiring in Valdez - despite his wealth. My step father served some 40 years, Army for ten years then National Guard for the rest of his career ... career(s) perhaps, he "retired" from military service twice; once to become a military advisory to the Governor, then he rejoined or whatever to command the youth academy, then retired again. Even now, despite all their wealth, he's a volunteer police officer who's been named volunteer officer of the year twice (he even helped a bit with the Vegas shooter case in Mesquite.) By all rights he could retire and enjoy his trips and such, but no, he continues to serve his community just as he always has his entire life; because some people are just like that. "Live to serve" is not just a stupid slogan for some people son.

See also:

Young men and women from the wealthiest families know they can enlist for one tour and get a lifetime of "I served in the military' line on their CVs.
Stats suggest that the poorest in the military are the ones who are serving in forward positions. Just like in VN. For one thing they tend to be in better physical shape. Second they tend to follow orders better than 'wealthy' troops.

Yep, all the women who served as nurses on the back lines are just shit bags, or had "wealthy" parents right? Please.

Slow down pal! I NEVER posted anything like that!
A nurse in VN probably saved my life.
What specifically did I post that is not generally correct?
I know for a FACT that the 'better family you came from' the least likely you were to be in forward positions if you didn't want to be.
Virtually EVERY negro who served in VN was deployed in forward positions. These negroes were not from wealthy families generally.
I saw many 'Stolen Valor' John Kerry assholes doing jobs miles from forward positions.
Kerry was in the navy for one afternoon and awarded himself the Silver Star Medal for shooting a twelve year old kid in the back.

 

[EverCurious]

My entire family is military back to the 30s. So? That doesn't give your opinion and beliefs about if/why people would join during war time any more weight son.


Nearly half of the solider's who I call friends joined up to fight in the ME - the other half joined for the life-long benefits.

Have YOU served? I am talking to YOU not your family, Son! If your family had easy cushy jobs during the war like Reagan and Elvis I am am sure they loved it and had no complaints. But if they were out in the field facing the enemy hand to hand, weapon to weapon, eye to eye, they might have a different perspective. But I'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say some actually saw combat. If so, I'll wager , that to the man, none of them would want their children to join up and go fight for the sake of keeping the interests of rich people overseas intact. And that truism is even more unpalatable considering the madman in the White House.

Again, /your/ personal opinion on if /you/ would join the military during times of war, nor mine, have little to do with why /other/ people join.

For the record though, I tried to serve but the military back then wasn't too keen to bring in women, especially ones who would never be nurses. I wanted to be a sniper, that shit wasn't flying with the brass. That said my family is hugely military; my paternal great-grandparents fled the Nazi's, grandpa then turned around and went back to free his friends who were unable to leave Germany. My maternal grandparents, simple farmers, were ousted from Norway by Hitler's army - as the story goes the soldiers essentially confiscated their farmland so my grandparents had no reason to stay there (and at the time America was as ambivalent to Hitler's take over as their home country was, and there was no reason to believe that their land would be returned to them.) However, I think the most relevant to my point from my family would be my step-grandfather; he'd gotten draft deferments because of his families farmlands (someone had to grow the food to feed the troops ya know) but when his friends who went started dying, when his best friend was shot down over France, he signed up - against his parents wishes. He fought in Japan and was actually a bit miffed that he didn't get to fight the Nazi's who'd killed his friends, though he was happy to kill the "dastardly bastards" (as he would say, speaking of the Japanese who'd attacked Pearl Harbor, of course.)

I'm talking about the kids I've gamed with for the past couple decades, their parents; so many joined up to "kill some ragheads," I've even spoken about one of them who was upset as hell that he got stuck in S. Korea instead of being sent to the ME where he could "make a difference." These are people who joined specifically to fight, specifically /because/ there was a war. Your idea that no one joins when there is a war is bullshit.

The idea that every single war is about rich peoples interests is bullshit, much less the idea that rich people don't fight. My paternal grandparents were rich, that's actually a big part of why they fled because Hitler started confiscating shit to fund his war(s). My step-grandparents were also rich off oil money. My father served, he installed all the electrical wiring in Valdez - despite his wealth. My step father served some 40 years, Army for ten years then National Guard for the rest of his career ... career(s) perhaps, he "retired" from military service twice; once to become a military advisory to the Governor, then he rejoined or whatever to command the youth academy, then retired again. Even now, despite all their wealth, he's a volunteer police officer who's been named volunteer officer of the year twice (he even helped a bit with the Vegas shooter case in Mesquite.) By all rights he could retire and enjoy his trips and such, but no, he continues to serve his community just as he always has his entire life; because some people are just like that. "Live to serve" is not just a stupid slogan for some people son.

See also:

Young men and women from the wealthiest families know they can enlist for one tour and get a lifetime of "I served in the military' line on their CVs.
Stats suggest that the poorest in the military are the ones who are serving in forward positions. Just like in VN. For one thing they tend to be in better physical shape. Second they tend to follow orders better than 'wealthy' troops.

Yep, all the women who served as nurses on the back lines are just shit bags, or had "wealthy" parents right? Please.

Slow down pal! I NEVER posted anything like that!
A nurse in VN probably saved my life.
What specifically did I post that is not generally correct?
I know for a FACT that the 'better family you came from' the least likely you were to be in forward positions if you didn't want to be.
Virtually EVERY negro who served in VN was deployed in forward positions. These negroes were not from wealthy families generally.
I saw many 'Stolen Valor' John Kerry assholes doing jobs miles from forward positions.
Kerry was in the navy for one afternoon and awarded himself the Silver Star Medal for shooting a twelve year old kid in the back.

You implied that "wealthy" folks were working the back lines like its a "lesser" service, son and I can't believe you didn't realize it.

You imply that the wealthy who do serve, are lesser soldiers because you portend [undocumented/unprovided] theories that say they don't fight on the front lines. The entire premise is flawed from go if you really want to get into it. You claim that the "poor" are in "better shape" then tell me why studies find them overweight? Irresponsible? Unable to hold a job? Raised in generational welfare? Uneducated?

Related:
Relationship Between Poverty and Obesity - Food Research & Action Center
Diabetes: 60 (11)
Wealth and Poverty are Caused by Parenting and Habits - Rich Habits Institute (Though I disagree with him about the prevalence of "happiness" among the rich vs poor spectrum in certain aspects I would actually argue that the wealthy are worse off/unhappier - specifically marriage, but love relationships as a whole.)

 

[deanrd]

My entire family is military back to the 30s. So? That doesn't give your opinion and beliefs about if/why people would join during war time any more weight son.


Nearly half of the solider's who I call friends joined up to fight in the ME - the other half joined for the life-long benefits.

Have YOU served? I am talking to YOU not your family, Son! If your family had easy cushy jobs during the war like Reagan and Elvis I am am sure they loved it and had no complaints. But if they were out in the field facing the enemy hand to hand, weapon to weapon, eye to eye, they might have a different perspective. But I'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say some actually saw combat. If so, I'll wager , that to the man, none of them would want their children to join up and go fight for the sake of keeping the interests of rich people overseas intact. And that truism is even more unpalatable considering the madman in the White House.

Again, /your/ personal opinion on if /you/ would join the military during times of war, nor mine, have little to do with why /other/ people join.

For the record though, I tried to serve but the military back then wasn't too keen to bring in women, especially ones who would never be nurses. I wanted to be a sniper, that shit wasn't flying with the brass. That said my family is hugely military; my paternal great-grandparents fled the Nazi's, grandpa then turned around and went back to free his friends who were unable to leave Germany. My maternal grandparents, simple farmers, were ousted from Norway by Hitler's army - as the story goes the soldiers essentially confiscated their farmland so my grandparents had no reason to stay there (and at the time America was as ambivalent to Hitler's take over as their home country was, and there was no reason to believe that their land would be returned to them.) However, I think the most relevant to my point from my family would be my step-grandfather; he'd gotten draft deferments because of his families farmlands (someone had to grow the food to feed the troops ya know) but when his friends who went started dying, when his best friend was shot down over France, he signed up - against his parents wishes. He fought in Japan and was actually a bit miffed that he didn't get to fight the Nazi's who'd killed his friends, though he was happy to kill the "dastardly bastards" (as he would say, speaking of the Japanese who'd attacked Pearl Harbor, of course.)

I'm talking about the kids I've gamed with for the past couple decades, their parents; so many joined up to "kill some ragheads," I've even spoken about one of them who was upset as hell that he got stuck in S. Korea instead of being sent to the ME where he could "make a difference." These are people who joined specifically to fight, specifically /because/ there was a war. Your idea that no one joins when there is a war is bullshit.

The idea that every single war is about rich peoples interests is bullshit, much less the idea that rich people don't fight. My paternal grandparents were rich, that's actually a big part of why they fled because Hitler started confiscating shit to fund his war(s). My step-grandparents were also rich off oil money. My father served, he installed all the electrical wiring in Valdez - despite his wealth. My step father served some 40 years, Army for ten years then National Guard for the rest of his career ... career(s) perhaps, he "retired" from military service twice; once to become a military advisory to the Governor, then he rejoined or whatever to command the youth academy, then retired again. Even now, despite all their wealth, he's a volunteer police officer who's been named volunteer officer of the year twice (he even helped a bit with the Vegas shooter case in Mesquite.) By all rights he could retire and enjoy his trips and such, but no, he continues to serve his community just as he always has his entire life; because some people are just like that. "Live to serve" is not just a stupid slogan for some people son.

See also:

Young men and women from the wealthiest families know they can enlist for one tour and get a lifetime of "I served in the military' line on their CVs.
Stats suggest that the poorest in the military are the ones who are serving in forward positions. Just like in VN. For one thing they tend to be in better physical shape. Second they tend to follow orders better than 'wealthy' troops.

Yep, all the women who served as nurses on the back lines are just shit bags, or had "wealthy" parents right? Please.

Slow down pal! I NEVER posted anything like that!
A nurse in VN probably saved my life.
What specifically did I post that is not generally correct?
I know for a FACT that the 'better family you came from' the least likely you were to be in forward positions if you didn't want to be.
Virtually EVERY negro who served in VN was deployed in forward positions. These negroes were not from wealthy families generally.
I saw many 'Stolen Valor' John Kerry assholes doing jobs miles from forward positions.
Kerry was in the navy for one afternoon and awarded himself the Silver Star Medal for shooting a twelve year old kid in the back.

Only the most ignorant of turds with absolutely no understanding of the military believes you can award yourself medals.
Are you an ignorant turd?

 

[JQPublic1]

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

Methinks you are obsessed with the Clintons who are no longer a political threat. You are wasting energy on hatred carried over from the past. When you want to join us in discussing current events...we will be here.

 

[martybegan]

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

Methinks you are obsessed with the Clintons who are no longer a political threat. You are wasting energy on hatred carried over from the past. When you want to join us in discussing current events...we will be here.

your lack of an actual answer is noted and ridiculed.

 

[JQPublic1]

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Definitely! One is legal, and one is illegal!

But the end result is the same, it's draft dodging for the wealthy, vs draft dodging for the poor.....

College deferrals were "rich vs. poor"

Medical ones were more "equal" as long as you convinced the board doctor.

Or if you PAID a doctor to lie for you...money talked and the less affluent walked...right onto the battlefield.