Trump has ordered the largest single-year increase in army recruitment targets

[ABikerSailor]

I saw a segment on this last night on VICE News. (If you're looking for a decent news source and have HBO, VICE News is a pretty good source, because they leave as much opinion out of their reporting as they can).

Seems that not only are they giving waivers to people for things they wouldn't have waived before, but they have also increased the body fat percentages that you can enlist with. When I was in, body fat percentages for females was only 25 percent before they would be kicked out. Now? They are letting them enlist at 30 percent body fat or less. 30 percent is actually considered obese.

And, when I was in recruiting from 1999 until 2002, if you failed a urine test more than three times, you were considered disqualified. Now? They are giving lots more waivers for marijuana use. I remember there were a couple of times the recruiters asked me to do a urine test off the books if they failed, but to use it if they passed, because they didn't want to lose the applicant. If they failed a urine test, they had to wait 30 days before taking another.

This is a really tall order by the way. Why? Because only 30 percent of the people in America who are age eligible to serve are qualified. That, coupled with a stronger economy and better job market, combined with the fact that we still have conflict zones in the ME where most will be deployed to, makes it really hard to get people to join.

I remember that for a couple of months after 9/11, most people were really leery about enlisting because they didn't want to go to war.

 

[JQPublic1]

You don't have to ask firefighters to fight fires, thats what they love to do. If they don't, they can resign and move on. . Enlisted Soldiers , OTOH, cannot resign. Imagine being assigned to a combat unit wth a megalomaniacal general who wants to get that next star even if YOU have to die for him to get it. But generals merely the pyramid of people ordering you around. And in a combat situation, you have very few options but to obey orders or face courts-martial.
What 19 or 20 something in their right mind, in the information age, is going to sign up knowing war is imminent. I concur with them. I think that kind of thinking will cause conscription to be reinstated. GOOD... Let all of us pay the price for freedom... not just the poor and disadvantaged..

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

 

[martybegan]

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

 

[JQPublic1]

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

If you would stop deflecting I wouldn't have to keep you on topic!

 

[EverCurious]

You are so wrong about the human psyche, JQ.

How many soldiers do you think signed up specifically to kill Nazi's? To kill "rag heads" (as they put it)?

Would you put your personal beliefs as the beliefs of others and argue that you believe there is no God, therefore there are actually no religious people. How then do you argue that you know the minds of soldiers joining the military during times of war, or peace for that matter?

I speak from experience. I am retired military...a Vietnam era vet.

My entire family is military back to the 30s. So? That doesn't give your opinion and beliefs about if/why people would join during war time any more weight son.


Nearly half of the solider's who I call friends joined up to fight in the ME - the other half joined for the life-long benefits.

Have YOU served? I am talking to YOU not your family, Son! If your family had easy cushy jobs during the war like Reagan and Elvis I am am sure they loved it and had no complaints. But if they were out in the field facing the enemy hand to hand, weapon to weapon, eye to eye, they might have a different perspective. But I'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say some actually saw combat. If so, I'll wager , that to the man, none of them would want their children to join up and go fight for the sake of keeping the interests of rich people overseas intact. And that truism is even more unpalatable considering the madman in the White House.

Again, /your/ personal opinion on if /you/ would join the military during times of war, nor mine, have little to do with why /other/ people join.

For the record though, I tried to serve but the military back then wasn't too keen to bring in women, especially ones who would never be nurses. I wanted to be a sniper, that shit wasn't flying with the brass. That said my family is hugely military; my paternal great-grandparents fled the Nazi's, grandpa then turned around and went back to free his friends who were unable to leave Germany. My maternal grandparents, simple farmers, were ousted from Norway by Hitler's army - as the story goes the soldiers essentially confiscated their farmland so my grandparents had no reason to stay there (and at the time America was as ambivalent to Hitler's take over as their home country was, and there was no reason to believe that their land would be returned to them.) However, I think the most relevant to my point from my family would be my step-grandfather; he'd gotten draft deferments because of his families farmlands (someone had to grow the food to feed the troops ya know) but when his friends who went started dying, when his best friend was shot down over France, he signed up - against his parents wishes. He fought in Japan and was actually a bit miffed that he didn't get to fight the Nazi's who'd killed his friends, though he was happy to kill the "dastardly bastards" (as he would say, speaking of the Japanese who'd attacked Pearl Harbor, of course.)

I'm talking about the kids I've gamed with for the past couple decades, their parents; so many joined up to "kill some ragheads," I've even spoken about one of them who was upset as hell that he got stuck in S. Korea instead of being sent to the ME where he could "make a difference." These are people who joined specifically to fight, specifically /because/ there was a war. Your idea that no one joins when there is a war is bullshit.

The idea that every single war is about rich peoples interests is bullshit, much less the idea that rich people don't fight. My paternal grandparents were rich, that's actually a big part of why they fled because Hitler started confiscating shit to fund his war(s). My step-grandparents were also rich off oil money. My father served, he installed all the electrical wiring in Valdez - despite his wealth. My step father served some 40 years, Army for ten years then National Guard for the rest of his career ... career(s) perhaps, he "retired" from military service twice; once to become a military advisory to the Governor, then he rejoined or whatever to command the youth academy, then retired again. Even now, despite all their wealth, he's a volunteer police officer who's been named volunteer officer of the year twice (he even helped a bit with the Vegas shooter case in Mesquite.) By all rights he could retire and enjoy his trips and such, but no, he continues to serve his community just as he always has his entire life; because some people are just like that. "Live to serve" is not just a stupid slogan for some people son.

See also:

 

[martybegan]

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

If you would stop deflecting I wouldn't have to keep you on topic!

The topic is people all of a sudden caring about things because someone they don't like is in office.

It's the topic of every "Trump sucks, fuh fuh fuh" thread, or threads that devolve into that.

 

[Care4all]

And people like you love to send young poor soldiers off to fight your wars risking life and limb. Then, IF they come home at all, those with lifelong injuries are often mistreated or under treated in VA hospitals; or, those with PTSD or other mental afflictions become homeless pariahs walking the streets wearing their Field jackets. I suspect most are able to weather the storm and live sane lives, but too many fall through the very wide cracks. Many would be recruits are beginning to see that .

Just like I ask firefighters to fight fires, I ask soldiers to fight wars. It's part of the society compact we have.

And the VA is one of those government programs that should be privatized with just government oversight, but of course one party would try to stop that....

There are risks in everything, and major risks in going into the military, but like other jobs that promise a chance at a better life, you sometimes have to take those risks.

You don't have to ask firefighters to fight fires, thats what they love to do. If they don't, they can resign and move on. . Enlisted Soldiers , OTOH, cannot resign. Imagine being assigned to a combat unit wth a megalomaniacal general who wants to get that next star even if YOU have to die for him to get it. But generals merely the pyramid of people ordering you around. And in a combat situation, you have very few options but to obey orders or face courts-martial.
What 19 or 20 something in their right mind, in the information age, is going to sign up knowing war is imminent. I concur with them. I think that kind of thinking will cause conscription to be reinstated. GOOD... Let all of us pay the price for freedom... not just the poor and disadvantaged..

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

 

[martybegan]

Just like I ask firefighters to fight fires, I ask soldiers to fight wars. It's part of the society compact we have.

And the VA is one of those government programs that should be privatized with just government oversight, but of course one party would try to stop that....

There are risks in everything, and major risks in going into the military, but like other jobs that promise a chance at a better life, you sometimes have to take those risks.

You don't have to ask firefighters to fight fires, thats what they love to do. If they don't, they can resign and move on. . Enlisted Soldiers , OTOH, cannot resign. Imagine being assigned to a combat unit wth a megalomaniacal general who wants to get that next star even if YOU have to die for him to get it. But generals merely the pyramid of people ordering you around. And in a combat situation, you have very few options but to obey orders or face courts-martial.
What 19 or 20 something in their right mind, in the information age, is going to sign up knowing war is imminent. I concur with them. I think that kind of thinking will cause conscription to be reinstated. GOOD... Let all of us pay the price for freedom... not just the poor and disadvantaged..

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

 

[Lysistrata]

Unless you are desperate in your social situation, there is no reason to put your life in danger when a madman is commander-in-chief. After the insanity and rank dishonesty of the invasion of Iraq, which was based on a right-wing conspiracy known as PNAC, a teenage friend came to ask my advice because recruiters were being allowed to pursue him at his high school, where he was a senior, and were bothering him. I told him to wait, enroll in community college and live at home, and after he got some education under his belt, he could decide at that time if he wanted to join the military, after bush and cheney were out of office, and hopefully, someone sane would take over. Remember, people joined up to defend our nation after 9/11 because they legitimately wanted to defend our nation, but were prostituted by evil politicians, many at the expense of their lives.

If our leaders want people to join the military, they have to be sane, they have to stop lying to the American people, and they have to start being honest about what they are doing and why. Rhetoric about "defending freedom and democracy" doesn't cut it.

By joining, service members put their lives at the mercy of people who may be loons and are required to obey them without question, which is why I rejected a career-military family member's recommendation to enlist and get an automatic officer's commission.

 

[deanrd]

Who would want to join a military where Donald Trump is the Commander in Chief?

Put another way,

Who in their right mind would join a military where Donald Trump is the Commander in Chief?

 

[Care4all]

You don't have to ask firefighters to fight fires, thats what they love to do. If they don't, they can resign and move on. . Enlisted Soldiers , OTOH, cannot resign. Imagine being assigned to a combat unit wth a megalomaniacal general who wants to get that next star even if YOU have to die for him to get it. But generals merely the pyramid of people ordering you around. And in a combat situation, you have very few options but to obey orders or face courts-martial.
What 19 or 20 something in their right mind, in the information age, is going to sign up knowing war is imminent. I concur with them. I think that kind of thinking will cause conscription to be reinstated. GOOD... Let all of us pay the price for freedom... not just the poor and disadvantaged..

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Definitely! One is legal, and one is illegal!

But the end result is the same, it's draft dodging for the wealthy, vs draft dodging for the poor.....

 

[Care4all]

Who would want to join a military where Donald Trump is the Commander in Chief?

Put another way,

Who in their right mind would join a military where Donald Trump is the Commander in Chief?

Maybe Evangelicals??

 

[deanrd]

Unless you are desperate in your social situation, there is no reason to put your life in danger when a madman is commander-in-chief. After the insanity and rank dishonesty of the invasion of Iraq, which was based on a right-wing conspiracy known as PNAC, a teenage friend came to ask my advice because recruiters were being allowed to pursue him at his high school, where he was a senior, and were bothering him. I told him to wait, enroll in community college and live at home, and after he got some education under his belt, he could decide at that time if he wanted to join the military, after bush and cheney were out of office, and hopefully, someone sane would take over. Remember, people joined up to defend our nation after 9/11 because they legitimately wanted to defend our nation, but were prostituted by evil politicians, many at the expense of their lives.

If our leaders want people to join the military, they have to be sane, they have to stop lying to the American people, and they have to start being honest about what they are doing and why. Rhetoric about "defending freedom and democracy" doesn't cut it.

By joining, service members put their lives at the mercy of people who may be loons and are required to obey them without question, which is why I rejected a career-military family member's recommendation to enlist and get an automatic officer's commission.

there is no reason to put your life in danger when a madman is commander-in-chief

Actually, there are two.

One: You yourself are insane.

Two: You have a deathwish and want to commit suicide.

If Trump were patriotic, he would do what's good for the country.
Not Trillions in tax cuts for billionaires and cutting healthcare for millions of Americans.

 

[deanrd]

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

 

[Defiant1]

You don't have to ask firefighters to fight fires, thats what they love to do. If they don't, they can resign and move on. . Enlisted Soldiers , OTOH, cannot resign. Imagine being assigned to a combat unit wth a megalomaniacal general who wants to get that next star even if YOU have to die for him to get it. But generals merely the pyramid of people ordering you around. And in a combat situation, you have very few options but to obey orders or face courts-martial.
What 19 or 20 something in their right mind, in the information age, is going to sign up knowing war is imminent. I concur with them. I think that kind of thinking will cause conscription to be reinstated. GOOD... Let all of us pay the price for freedom... not just the poor and disadvantaged..

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Marty, you still see liberals accuse Bush of dodging by enlisting in the reserves.
Which, btw was the only way to enlist as an officer back then if you didn't go to one of the academies.
It's what John Kerry did.

 

[EverCurious]

You lefty/never-Trumpers are a fucking trip. You hate him so much that "fuck the country" it's the anarchist idea of "if we can't have it, no one can!!!!"

Ridiculously immature...

 

[martybegan]

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Definitely! One is legal, and one is illegal!

But the end result is the same, it's draft dodging for the wealthy, vs draft dodging for the poor.....

College deferrals were "rich vs. poor"

Medical ones were more "equal" as long as you convinced the board doctor.

 

[Care4all]

I think lowering our standards and giving exceptions to those who would not normally qualify is a HUGE mistake, and it can be harmful to our Nation and most importantly unfair and harmful to the good guys that ined who did meet standards...it makes them less safe, with unqualified individuals, some with mental issues, being allowed to join.....

they should nix that crap!

On another note, in my father's era...he joined because he was rock bottom poor....and the Service, was his only way out of poverty in the deep south of Alabama...

And he took all opportunities the service gave him...went to college on the GI bill, and took advantage of their benefits when he retired after 22 years of service, mom and his medical bills were paid and he drew his retirement since he was 40 and is now in his 80's...and saved and invested it all while working another civil service job for another 20 years after he retired form the USAF....

and, my parents are millionaires today....they just continued living their life with pinching pennies and saving, saving saving....even my sister and I were made to go out and work at 16 for our own play money....and to buy our own used cars....parents gave us nothing, but a little bit of help with college....

and Dad retired at 60 from his civil service job with all of their life's savings, mostly from the USAF retirement...and have no financial worries at all....NONE.....

And yes, he did serve in Viet Nam and I am grateful he is alive!!!!

 

[martybegan]

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Four deferments among them one for "bone spurs." Yet his physical activities, including chasing women, were documented on film or tapes. Those activities weren't consistent with Trump's purported disabilities.

How did Bill Clinton avoid the draft?

I don't know and i don't care. Trump is president now......lets focus on him. The millenials might not remember Clinton but they sure know Trump.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive....and dodge.

The guy on the right.

The guy on the left? Not so much.

So i guess bill Clinton is less than Muller as well?

 

[Lysistrata]

Considering we have a volunteer military, and the concept of enlistment and commitment of time have been around for a long time, though doth protest too much, and too weakly.

Plenty of people will sign up if given the proper incentives.

And the Military is still one of the best ways to claw your way out of poverty.

Evidently my "weak" premise is based on strong evidence. Looks like the millennials are't taking the bait according to this very op. The technical savvy necessary to operate today's complex military equipment is severely lacking in the general American populace. And, the infantry is becoming obsolete. But even if the enticement of education and other benefits are enough of an incentive for poor guys to sign up. Fewer are willing to join up and serve under a draft dodging president. The poor have SOME semblance of self respect too,

They also aren't getting into jobs that involve physical labor, so there is that regardless of the lure of a military career.

Infantry will always be needed, because a missile cannot hold ground.

And how did Trump "dodge" the draft?

Through his alleged Planters Faciitis, if memory serves me....

I always considered draft dodging to be either ignoring a draft summons or actively running from one.

I guess the definition gets extended based on how much a person hates the person in question.

Marty, you still see liberals accuse Bush of dodging by enlisting in the reserves.
Which, btw was the only way to enlist as an officer back then if you didn't go to one of the academies.
It's what John Kerry did.

Daddy got dubya in, skipping over the rest of those on the list. Then dubya went AWOL and didn't show up for his scheduled physicals. Kerry served in Vietnam. So did Al Gore. So did Mueller, obviously. And trump bragged about how he stayed stateside dodging STDs, little values-virgin that he was. Mission accomplished.