The Cosmos

[sealybobo]

The beasts mentioned are the dinosaurs genius

More specifically it is the 'big crocks' on the fifth day of the creation.

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

So like Sagan put the Cosmic Calendar on a 1 year map so you can understand it, god said 7 days because our ancestors back then weren't even smart enough to understand a year?

Just know that during Plato's time 400 BC men discovered science, math and logic and the mystics/religions of the time squashed giving this knowledge to the masses. It wasn't until 1600 that we started to re discover these truths. Religion held us back for over 1200 years. Thanks Plato.

 

[sealybobo]

The beasts mentioned are the dinosaurs genius

More specifically it is the 'big crocks' on the fifth day of the creation.

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

 

[Daniyel]

The beasts mentioned are the dinosaurs genius

More specifically it is the 'big crocks' on the fifth day of the creation.

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

So like Sagan put the Cosmic Calendar on a 1 year map so you can understand it, god said 7 days because our ancestors back then weren't even smart enough to understand a year?

Just know that during Plato's time 400 BC men discovered science, math and logic and the mystics/religions of the time squashed giving this knowledge to the masses. It wasn't until 1600 that we started to re discover these truths. Religion held us back for over 1200 years. Thanks Plato.

Not quite accurate, besides you always try to underestimate everything by the superiority of science which is flawed and you also forgets that science brought us a huge list of disasters, I still think that humans are the flawed - something we always were, and since no other animal in the world evolved like humans did - it means that if evolving is not a bad thing then:
1.Evolving is much faster than we think.
2.Evolving is not in the control of life beings.
In a world of eternal evolving, very slow evolving - we live only to survive - a task that is not in our hands, so eventually evolving is a bad thing, this is the scientific explanation to which why do we live, and I think it is flawed because we can't understand a superior being because we are condemned to live within the cosmos in our dimension.

 

[Daniyel]

The beasts mentioned are the dinosaurs genius

More specifically it is the 'big crocks' on the fifth day of the creation.

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

 

[sealybobo]

More specifically it is the 'big crocks' on the fifth day of the creation.

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

So like Sagan put the Cosmic Calendar on a 1 year map so you can understand it, god said 7 days because our ancestors back then weren't even smart enough to understand a year?

Just know that during Plato's time 400 BC men discovered science, math and logic and the mystics/religions of the time squashed giving this knowledge to the masses. It wasn't until 1600 that we started to re discover these truths. Religion held us back for over 1200 years. Thanks Plato.

Not quite accurate, besides you always try to underestimate everything by the superiority of science which is flawed and you also forgets that science brought us a huge list of disasters, I still think that humans are the flawed - something we always were, and since no other animal in the world evolved like humans did - it means that if evolving is not a bad thing then:
1.Evolving is much faster than we think.
2.Evolving is not in the control of life beings.
In a world of eternal evolving, very slow evolving - we live only to survive - a task that is not in our hands, so eventually evolving is a bad thing, this is the scientific explanation to which why do we live, and I think it is flawed because we can't understand a superior being because we are condemned to live within the cosmos in our dimension.

I just watched the episode where Sagan explains how if Plato and all the other rulers to follow didn't suppress knowledge we would possibly be 1000 or even 2000 years ahead futher. Of course we wouldn't know who Einstein was because someone else earlier would have figured what he did out a lot sooner. Based on the history of mankind I believe religion is an evil thing and has held us back. I'm not the first or only to believe this. And based on the history I'm learning of man, the more I am sure of it.

I can't take anyone who is sure there is a god seriously. I do see why and how it is an appealing thought. But to believe any of the modern religions with their history means you can't be that bright. If you only questioned your faith as much as you do science.

Science is the best thing we have going right now. Religion is just a way to make you compliant about your pathetic existence. It makes societies feel better about themselves despite themselves. We can do better.

And science will get us to the next sun in 45 years instead of 70,000 years. That is if we don't destroy ourselves first.

 

[sealybobo]

More specifically it is the 'big crocks' on the fifth day of the creation.

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

 

[Daniyel]

If the big bang happened on January 1st of the cosmic calendar, dinosaurs were here on December 23rd. We didn't show up until December 30th and at that point we were just monkeys. All of human history only represents the last 14 seconds of the cosmic calendar. Everyone you ever heard of or read about lived in the last 14 seconds of the year. Dinosaurs were living around December 23rd and they died out long before us.

On day 5 of the cosmic calendar the Milky Way galaxy hadn't even formed yet.

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

 

[sealybobo]

Maybe the days of Bible are the 'days' from God's view, and since God is the Alpha AND the Omega, the days are counted from His perspective... and maybe from the ''omega'' view....in other words, looking backwards from 'the actual end of the Universe'... so on the 5th day in the Bible from God's perspective of knowing the WHOLE picture and time frame, could fit perfectly with, the timing of the Days in Genesis/the timing of the final Cosmic Calendar?

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

 

[Daniyel]

This is actually one of the Jewish theories according to some scholars.
There is also another vast theories that can also explain it according to Elder Commentators;
1. Our world is the 7th world created..
2. The world is created 350 years after the creation of the Torah(the OT this one relates to the OT as notes when history and names are just the instruments)
3. Time is not static.
4. Time might been defined differently in the past(Noah lived over 400 years, Moses 120,Serah 700+)

And the interesting part is that none of them oppose each other.

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

 

[sealybobo]

There are 9 planets give or take in our solar system.

Our sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Our nearest neighboring star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.2 Light Years away. The Voyager spacecraft left the solar system at 37,000 miles per hour. At that speed, it would take Voyager 80,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

 

[Daniyel]

This is all very insightful but we believe God is infinite and the end of all infinities.

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

Despite we both know science is flawed I'll explain again what you're saying.
In the first two phases you are explaining the earliest stages of thinking but here on stage three you fall for the point where you CHOOSE what to believe in out of all the evidence because you're incapable of understanding infinity or in other words God in a manner of thinking(which is a victory for the religion claiming for afterlife judgement based on free choice), although some evidence do point a logic explanation it appears that you try to convince yourself "philosophically" by assuming that if something is not X so it doesn't exist at all, that is not the scientific way, that is called to make an assumption.

 

[sealybobo]

Actually Sagan was explaining how we might be able to speed up our travel in the future. Maybe 40 years to the nearest star is possible. But with ships the size of small cities.

What proof do you have there is a god? If you realized how ancient and primitive your religion is. The universe is infinite. Just take the god theory out of your equation and you got it.

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

Despite we both know science is flawed I'll explain again what you're saying.
In the first two phases you are explaining the earliest stages of thinking but here on stage three you fall for the point where you CHOOSE what to believe in out of all the evidence because you're incapable of understanding infinity or in other words God in a manner of thinking(which is a victory for the religion claiming for afterlife judgement based on free choice), although some evidence do point a logic explanation it appears that you try to convince yourself "philosophically" by assuming that if something is not X so it doesn't exist at all, that is not the scientific way, that is called to make an assumption.

But all us atheists and scientists are open to the possibility there is a creator. But what we see is that all we are is one small species on one tiny planet in the solar system in this very brief moment in the history of the universe. We aren't special. In fact we are a parasite on this planet.

We see why and how our primitive ancestors came up with god(s). They weren't right but we completely understand their reasons and justifications. And then societies and rulers imposed it on us. We've literally been talking about gods for over 10,000 years. Maybe 40,000 years. Probably 40K. So we look back at the Jewish religion, which only the Jews are buying, and we realize our religion is just a spawn off that one. There were other religions before and during the time of the start of the Jews. If one god was not real, maybe none of them are real? The Babalonian & Greeks had apposing gods. If one was made up, maybe both were. I suspect you agree with me they were both made up. So why not yours? Muslims and Mormons are spin offs of us. We see how the Catholic Church and Plato treated science. For the last 2000 years mysticism and religion won and science lost. In the last few 100 years science has taken back off. And along the way religion has embraced science but just don't forget their seedy past when they suppressed science and math from the masses and pushed a slave society. For 2000 years religion has fed us slavery not science.

As a scientist I deduce that all religions and gods are made up. So we go back to the 40,000 year old question. How did we get here? Who knows. If you say a god put us here, prove it.

 

[Daniyel]

The proof is way simple than what you've expected.
Every father always want his child to walk his way, and so since the very first generations that received the Tables of Testimony (est. 1, 000, 000) people who witnessed everything passed it on to their children up until today.

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

Despite we both know science is flawed I'll explain again what you're saying.
In the first two phases you are explaining the earliest stages of thinking but here on stage three you fall for the point where you CHOOSE what to believe in out of all the evidence because you're incapable of understanding infinity or in other words God in a manner of thinking(which is a victory for the religion claiming for afterlife judgement based on free choice), although some evidence do point a logic explanation it appears that you try to convince yourself "philosophically" by assuming that if something is not X so it doesn't exist at all, that is not the scientific way, that is called to make an assumption.

But all us atheists and scientists are open to the possibility there is a creator. But what we see is that all we are is one small species on one tiny planet in the solar system in this very brief moment in the history of the universe. We aren't special. In fact we are a parasite on this planet.

We see why and how our primitive ancestors came up with god(s). They weren't right but we completely understand their reasons and justifications. And then societies and rulers imposed it on us. We've literally been talking about gods for over 10,000 years. Maybe 40,000 years. Probably 40K. So we look back at the Jewish religion, which only the Jews are buying, and we realize our religion is just a spawn off that one. There were other religions before and during the time of the start of the Jews. If one god was not real, maybe none of them are real? The Babalonian & Greeks had apposing gods. If one was made up, maybe both were. I suspect you agree with me they were both made up. So why not yours? Muslims and Mormons are spin offs of us. We see how the Catholic Church and Plato treated science. For the last 2000 years mysticism and religion won and science lost. In the last few 100 years science has taken back off. And along the way religion has embraced science but just don't forget their seedy past when they suppressed science and math from the masses and pushed a slave society. For 2000 years religion has fed us slavery not science.

As a scientist I deduce that all religions and gods are made up. So we go back to the 40,000 year old question. How did we get here? Who knows. If you say a god put us here, prove it.

I Already stated my proof and that is to remain true as long as we sticks to our moral ethics (which are also protected by different variations) that authenticates itself back in history and in the future so now it is your turn to join the list of millions trying to disprove that - without any success by the way - prove to me that God doesn't exist - by disproving the claims that God exist, not by assumptions based on personal view.

 

[sealybobo]

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

Despite we both know science is flawed I'll explain again what you're saying.
In the first two phases you are explaining the earliest stages of thinking but here on stage three you fall for the point where you CHOOSE what to believe in out of all the evidence because you're incapable of understanding infinity or in other words God in a manner of thinking(which is a victory for the religion claiming for afterlife judgement based on free choice), although some evidence do point a logic explanation it appears that you try to convince yourself "philosophically" by assuming that if something is not X so it doesn't exist at all, that is not the scientific way, that is called to make an assumption.

But all us atheists and scientists are open to the possibility there is a creator. But what we see is that all we are is one small species on one tiny planet in the solar system in this very brief moment in the history of the universe. We aren't special. In fact we are a parasite on this planet.

We see why and how our primitive ancestors came up with god(s). They weren't right but we completely understand their reasons and justifications. And then societies and rulers imposed it on us. We've literally been talking about gods for over 10,000 years. Maybe 40,000 years. Probably 40K. So we look back at the Jewish religion, which only the Jews are buying, and we realize our religion is just a spawn off that one. There were other religions before and during the time of the start of the Jews. If one god was not real, maybe none of them are real? The Babalonian & Greeks had apposing gods. If one was made up, maybe both were. I suspect you agree with me they were both made up. So why not yours? Muslims and Mormons are spin offs of us. We see how the Catholic Church and Plato treated science. For the last 2000 years mysticism and religion won and science lost. In the last few 100 years science has taken back off. And along the way religion has embraced science but just don't forget their seedy past when they suppressed science and math from the masses and pushed a slave society. For 2000 years religion has fed us slavery not science.

As a scientist I deduce that all religions and gods are made up. So we go back to the 40,000 year old question. How did we get here? Who knows. If you say a god put us here, prove it.

I Already stated my proof and that is to remain true as long as we sticks to our moral ethics (which are also protected by different variations) that authenticates itself back in history and in the future so now it is your turn to join the list of millions trying to disprove that - without any success by the way - prove to me that God doesn't exist - by disproving the claims that God exist, not by assumptions based on personal view.

Prove to me god didn't talk to Joseph Smith in 1800. You can't? Then why aren't you a Mormon? Now apply that same logic to your own religion.

I was watching one of the last episodes of the Sagan Cosmos and he said this:

SAGAN:In the vastness of the cosmos there must be other civilizations far older and more advanced than ours. So shouldn't we have been visited? Shouldn't there be alien ships in the skies of Earth? There's nothing impossible in this idea. And no one would be happier than me if we were visited. But has it happened in fact? What counts is not what's plausible, not what we'd like to believe not what one or two witnesses claim.
But only what is supported by hard evidence rigorously and skeptically examined. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I would say the same thing about god.

 

[sealybobo]

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

Despite we both know science is flawed I'll explain again what you're saying.
In the first two phases you are explaining the earliest stages of thinking but here on stage three you fall for the point where you CHOOSE what to believe in out of all the evidence because you're incapable of understanding infinity or in other words God in a manner of thinking(which is a victory for the religion claiming for afterlife judgement based on free choice), although some evidence do point a logic explanation it appears that you try to convince yourself "philosophically" by assuming that if something is not X so it doesn't exist at all, that is not the scientific way, that is called to make an assumption.

But all us atheists and scientists are open to the possibility there is a creator. But what we see is that all we are is one small species on one tiny planet in the solar system in this very brief moment in the history of the universe. We aren't special. In fact we are a parasite on this planet.

We see why and how our primitive ancestors came up with god(s). They weren't right but we completely understand their reasons and justifications. And then societies and rulers imposed it on us. We've literally been talking about gods for over 10,000 years. Maybe 40,000 years. Probably 40K. So we look back at the Jewish religion, which only the Jews are buying, and we realize our religion is just a spawn off that one. There were other religions before and during the time of the start of the Jews. If one god was not real, maybe none of them are real? The Babalonian & Greeks had apposing gods. If one was made up, maybe both were. I suspect you agree with me they were both made up. So why not yours? Muslims and Mormons are spin offs of us. We see how the Catholic Church and Plato treated science. For the last 2000 years mysticism and religion won and science lost. In the last few 100 years science has taken back off. And along the way religion has embraced science but just don't forget their seedy past when they suppressed science and math from the masses and pushed a slave society. For 2000 years religion has fed us slavery not science.

As a scientist I deduce that all religions and gods are made up. So we go back to the 40,000 year old question. How did we get here? Who knows. If you say a god put us here, prove it.

I Already stated my proof and that is to remain true as long as we sticks to our moral ethics (which are also protected by different variations) that authenticates itself back in history and in the future so now it is your turn to join the list of millions trying to disprove that - without any success by the way - prove to me that God doesn't exist - by disproving the claims that God exist, not by assumptions based on personal view.

I don't know how anyone can know the history of science, man and religion and still believe. We've been around for 40 seconds of the cosmic calendar if you put the 15 billion years since the big bang on a 1 year calendar. Us humans are so nothing and no where in the universe. We think we are special but that's just wishful thinking. I'd like for it to be so but it's not. And organized religions who claim to know don't.

But then again, Newton even believed in god. But did he really? They say he did but I suspect he had his doubts. He did a lot of research reading the bible, trying to find hidden messages. He never found anything and I suspect he may have been an agnostic at best. Remember it was not the time and place to admit you don't believe in god. That didn't make you very popular at all. Just look at today how many people say they are Christians but if you say you have your doubts, they admit they do too and were only born into it. I think atheism, along with science logic and reason are on the rise. But here we are 2015 still fighting religious wars. We're so lucky religion won over science. Ala Akbar dumb asses.

A thousand years ago In the city of Basra, Iraq, there lived Ibn al-Hazen. He questioned everything, especially those things that everyone else took for granted. His culture was open to new ideas and questioning. It was the golden age of science in the Islamic world. Christian and Jewish scholars were honored guests at the research institutes of Baghdad, Cairo, and other Islamic capitols. Instead of burning books, the caliphs sent emissaries around the world in search of books. The caliphs lavishly funded projects to translate, study, and preserve them for future generations. Much of the light of Ancient Greek science would have been permanently extinguished without their efforts. The reawakening to science that took place in Europe, hundreds of years later, was kindled by a flame that had been long tended by Islamic scholars and scientists.

Al-Haitham wrote more than two hundred books, very few of which have survived.

Same way Plato and eventually Christianity stomped out knowledge gained by the Greeks 2500 years ago. Religion won! Mysticism rules! Yea!!! NOT

 

[sealybobo]

That's the story you're swallowing. The story I heard is that it was forced upon us. So who knows if your ancestors even 300 years ago believed let alone you're saying your ancestors 3000 generations supposedly saw something. This is what I mean. Your stories don't even carry scientific weight. No wonder science gives religion so little thought. It gives it what it deserves.

And most of the people who supposedly saw Jesus are not even the start of Christianity. Jesus' desciples went to Greece and told the poorest and dumbest the legends and they bought into it. We see Christians today go to the poorest in India and spread the gospel. I don't care how many generations you are removed. You can be that bright if you take these stories as fact without proof. Most of you are just using cognitive dissonance. You choose to believe because you want to and you can't see any other way. I get it.

This is the difference between you and me, I go for the logic (modern and rational) explanation against you whose guessing - this is the difference between the way we assume.
It is not that you have a solid proof that God doesn't exist, you're just assuming so with no logic but incapability of understanding so.

I use the scientific process.

(1) Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including your parents and preachers.

(2) Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Are you sure you just don't WANT to believe? Because you really have no good reasons for believing. Not factual or scientific anyways.

(3) Test ideas by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well-designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Virgin births? People living 600 years? Talking snakes? FAIL!

(4) Follow the evidence wherever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgment. But I have lots of evidence. The history of man and religion.

And perhaps the most important rule of all...

(5) Remember: you could be wrong. Even the best scientists have been wrong about some things. Newton, Einstein, and every other great scientist in history -- they all made mistakes. Of course they did. They were human.

Science is a way to keep from fooling ourselves, and each other.

Sure I could be wrong. But your story is so primitive and outdated I'm willing to bet the farm its all made up. Just like every religion before or after yours.

Despite we both know science is flawed I'll explain again what you're saying.
In the first two phases you are explaining the earliest stages of thinking but here on stage three you fall for the point where you CHOOSE what to believe in out of all the evidence because you're incapable of understanding infinity or in other words God in a manner of thinking(which is a victory for the religion claiming for afterlife judgement based on free choice), although some evidence do point a logic explanation it appears that you try to convince yourself "philosophically" by assuming that if something is not X so it doesn't exist at all, that is not the scientific way, that is called to make an assumption.

But all us atheists and scientists are open to the possibility there is a creator. But what we see is that all we are is one small species on one tiny planet in the solar system in this very brief moment in the history of the universe. We aren't special. In fact we are a parasite on this planet.

We see why and how our primitive ancestors came up with god(s). They weren't right but we completely understand their reasons and justifications. And then societies and rulers imposed it on us. We've literally been talking about gods for over 10,000 years. Maybe 40,000 years. Probably 40K. So we look back at the Jewish religion, which only the Jews are buying, and we realize our religion is just a spawn off that one. There were other religions before and during the time of the start of the Jews. If one god was not real, maybe none of them are real? The Babalonian & Greeks had apposing gods. If one was made up, maybe both were. I suspect you agree with me they were both made up. So why not yours? Muslims and Mormons are spin offs of us. We see how the Catholic Church and Plato treated science. For the last 2000 years mysticism and religion won and science lost. In the last few 100 years science has taken back off. And along the way religion has embraced science but just don't forget their seedy past when they suppressed science and math from the masses and pushed a slave society. For 2000 years religion has fed us slavery not science.

As a scientist I deduce that all religions and gods are made up. So we go back to the 40,000 year old question. How did we get here? Who knows. If you say a god put us here, prove it.

I Already stated my proof and that is to remain true as long as we sticks to our moral ethics (which are also protected by different variations) that authenticates itself back in history and in the future so now it is your turn to join the list of millions trying to disprove that - without any success by the way - prove to me that God doesn't exist - by disproving the claims that God exist, not by assumptions based on personal view.

Follow the rules of Ibn al-Hazen

Finding truth is difficult and the road to it is rough. As seekers after truth, you will be wise to withhold judgment and not simply put your trust in the writings of the ancients. You must question and critically examine those writings from every side. You must submit only to argument and experiment and not to the sayings of any person. For every human being is vulnerable to all kinds of imperfection. As seekers after truth, we must also suspect and question our own ideas as we perform our investigations, to avoid falling into prejudice or careless thinking. Take this course, and truth will be revealed to you. This is the method of science and no religion can withstand the test. What you basically wrote above is that you have your own standard of what you consider sufficient proof. Well your proof may be good enough for you and your cult but not us rational modern thinkers.

I just don't trust the ancients.

 

[MaxGrit]

God reveals Himself in His creation. Thus, the evidence for God existence is the Universe.

Therefore there is no excuse when you face God since the evidence for His existence is self-evident.

 

[Taz]

God reveals Himself in His creation. Thus, the evidence for God existence is the Universe.

Therefore there is no excuse when you face God since the evidence for His existence is self-evident.

A god may have well created the universe, but certainly not the god of today's religions, they have no fucking clue at all.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

 

[Dajjal]

I just watched the cosmos, episode 1 and I immediately disagreed with Sagan's opening statement.
"The cosmos is all that is, or was, or ever will be" What a banal statement.