The Cosmos

Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.

Science doesn't believe what can't be verified. It admits it doesn't know. Show me a peer reviewed report of sciences belief in a god.

If a scientist also believes that's cognitive dissonance.

Wrong. Science does believe (or at least many scientists believe) in "anthropogenic global warming" or man-caused "climate change." Yet none of that can be or yet has been "verified."

Also, there is NOTHING associated with actual cognitive dissonance for a scientist to BELIEVE in God. It would be if the scientist insisted that he KNEW that God existed as some alleged "fact." Otherwise, we see that yet again you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Dr oz is talking about angels. He's explaining belief scientifically. Why people think angels exist

So?

Dr. Oz may be a good surgeon, but he also espouses some pretty dubious medical practices and diet fads.

What the fuck does anything he says have to do with anything?

Boy you guys get defensive when anyone tries to scientifically explain your delusion.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Dr oz is talking about angels. He's explaining belief scientifically. Why people think angels exist

So?

Dr. Oz may be a good surgeon, but he also espouses some pretty dubious medical practices and diet fads.

What the fuck does anything he says have to do with anything?

Boy you guys get defensive when anyone tries to scientifically explain your delusion.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.

Science doesn't believe what can't be verified. It admits it doesn't know. Show me a peer reviewed report of sciences belief in a god.

If a scientist also believes that's cognitive dissonance.

Wrong. Science does believe (or at least many scientists believe) in "anthropogenic global warming" or man-caused "climate change." Yet none of that can be or yet has been "verified."

Also, there is NOTHING associated with actual cognitive dissonance for a scientist to BELIEVE in God. It would be if the scientist insisted that he KNEW that God existed as some alleged "fact." Otherwise, we see that yet again you don't know what you are talking about.

Yea just like it took 100 years for lead poisoning to be verified. Or that cigs were bad for us. You are the typical average ignorant citizen.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Its a universally accepted scientific theory. That's as good as it gets. Better than the creation story
 
Which is better than the old testament story which is better than the Greek gods Egypt or Babylon.
 
Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Dr oz is talking about angels. He's explaining belief scientifically. Why people think angels exist

So?

Dr. Oz may be a good surgeon, but he also espouses some pretty dubious medical practices and diet fads.

What the fuck does anything he says have to do with anything?

Boy you guys get defensive when anyone tries to scientifically explain your delusion.

"We have Consensus, you fucking DENIER!!! DIE DENIER!!!!" is not a scientific explanation
 
What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Dr oz is talking about angels. He's explaining belief scientifically. Why people think angels exist

So?

Dr. Oz may be a good surgeon, but he also espouses some pretty dubious medical practices and diet fads.

What the fuck does anything he says have to do with anything?

Boy you guys get defensive when anyone tries to scientifically explain your delusion.

"We have Consensus, you fucking DENIER!!! DIE DENIER!!!!" is not a scientific explanation

See everyone else how crazy they get?
 
Everyone's gonna die eventually. There's nothing we can do about it. One day you, me, everyone you know will be faced with the realization they're gonna die.

This facts explains why religion's so popular. It gives people a false hope death is not the absolute end to experience. But it is.
 
Boy you guys get defensive when anyone tries to scientifically explain your delusion.

You would be more convincing trying to "scientifically" explain things, had you finished high school.

I'm just sayin... :dunno:

I have a business masters. So what?

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalise world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.
 
Everyone's gonna die eventually. There's nothing we can do about it. One day you, me, everyone you know will be faced with the realization they're gonna die.

This facts explains why religion's so popular. It gives people a false hope death is not the absolute end to experience. But it is.

And why is that scary? I'm afraid of dying, not being dead.

Atheists appreciate now more because we realize there is no tomorrow.

Anyways. I like the Buddhist or Hindu guy I've been talking to. He is spiritual/religious but doesn't think belief is the test. Being a good person is what matters. I can get behind a religion like that. I can't buy into a religion that says believe our ancient stories or else.
 
I have a business masters. So what?

You have a "business masters?"

Sure you do.

I'll give you a hint, the degree you are claiming is known and an "MBA," a "Master of Business Administration." Those who actually hold such credentials are aware of this.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalise world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, you lack even the most basic grasp of the scientific principle, you worship Neil Tyson as a god and try to force a methodology into the mold of your religion.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Its a universally accepted scientific theory. That's as good as it gets. Better than the creation story

So the sillybozo thesis is that a nearly 'universally accepted scientific theory' is not only as "good as it gets" but is also somehow NOT the same thing as believing something that cannot be scientifically verified.
 
I have a business masters. So what?

You have a "business masters?"

Sure you do.

I'll give you a hint, the degree you are claiming is known and an "MBA," a "Master of Business Administration." Those who actually hold such credentials are aware of this.

The validity of a claim, such as the existence of god, is not governed by the intelligence of the minds which hold it. Evidence and reason are the deciding factors.

Sir Isaac Newton, one of history’s greatest scientists, was not only intensely religious but also believed in alchemical transmutation.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalise world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, you lack even the most basic grasp of the scientific principle, you worship Neil Tyson as a god and try to force a methodology into the mold of your religion.

That's the only business masters there is? WRONG! I have a Masters in Organizational Management.

And it all boils down to this. You wouldn't be so defensive if it weren't for the fact that you believe that the test to get into heaven is belief in your religion and your god Jesus. I say that's a joke. You've swallowed a lie and the preachers who preach to you have swallowed the same lie and you are passing that lie onto your children. Same thing Muslims are doing in the middle east.

You wouldn't be so offensive, offended and defensive if it weren't for the cult you belong to. If your cult said belief wasn't important but good deeds were what mattered, I may not believe an actual god told your ancestors this but I would have no problem with the message.

So really I have no problem with a god that may or may not exist. Its you and your cult I dislike. Same way you don't like Muslims or mormons.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Its a universally accepted scientific theory. That's as good as it gets. Better than the creation story

So the sillybozo thesis is that a nearly 'universally accepted scientific theory' is not only as "good as it gets" but is also somehow NOT the same thing as believing something that cannot be scientifically verified.

Simply because you or the scientific community lack a complete understanding of something does not imply a theistic explanation carries any value. Even if there exists some topic on which science can never speak, any understanding could potentially evade us forever – supernatural or metaphysical speculation would not automatically be correct. Uncertainty is the most legitimate position.

Lightning, earthquakes, volcanos, disease, mental illness, speciation, planetary orbitsand numerous other phenomena have been historically labelled ‘supernatural’ only to later be more thoroughly and elegantly explained by science. In fact, every mystery ever demonstrably solved has had a non-supernatural explanation. To suggest that science cannot or will not explain a phenomena, and that only theism can, is hubris of the highest order.

Using ‘god’ to explain something explains nothing. God’s supposed powers and how they work are a mystery. An explanation is intended to clarify and extend knowledge. Attributing a phenomenon to the magical powers of a supernatural being does neither. Worse still, this presumption acts to prevent any deeper investigation, being little more than a form of blissful ignorance.

Note: By using ‘god’ to fill gaps in their knowledge theists inadvertently provide a shrinking role for their god as science advances. They also predicate god’s existence on a lack of knowledge, not on any positive argument or evidence.
 
That's the only business masters there is? WRONG! I have a Masters in Organizational Management.

At least you looked up an actual degree this time, instead of moronically claiming a " business masters."

And it all boils down to this. You wouldn't be so defensive if it weren't for the fact that you believe that the test to get into heaven is belief in your religion and your god Jesus. I say that's a joke. You've swallowed a lie and the preachers who preach to you have swallowed the same lie and you are passing that lie onto your children. Same thing Muslims are doing in the middle east.

You wouldn't be so offensive, offended and defensive if it weren't for the cult you belong to. If your cult said belief wasn't important but good deeds were what mattered, I may not believe an actual god told your ancestors this but I would have no problem with the message.

So really I have no problem with a god that may or may not exist. Its you and your cult I dislike. Same way you don't like Muslims or mormons.

What I want Silly Bonobo, is for you to argue for the other side,.

You could be a real asset to the hyper-religious point of view! :thup:

Science is not your forte' - THINKING is not your forte'.
 
Anyone who believes in God needs to watch the Cosmos. Watch the new one with Neil Degrasse Tyson and the old one with Carl Sagan. Once you learn the history of man, science and religion you will realize god(s) were made up long before we decided to just go with one god. Religious ignorance has held us back thousands of years. Religious people love to brag that it was on their watch that we came up with cures and that it was religious people who got us on the moon. They expose their ignorance to the fact that many of the scientists were/are atheists. They try to ignore the history of how many scientists were put to death for heresy by the churches for things that turned out to be correct. But today the church doesn't get so upset if you suggest the earth isn't the center of the universe or that the sun revolves around the earth because churches change with the times. They've learned not to fight science and instead ignore your anti scientific history and embrace science. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

300 years before Christ, Aristarchus of Samos discovered the earth was not the center of the universe. But it wasn't until the year 1500 of our lord that someone dared suggest it again. Who squashed this fact for 1800 years? Religion.

Think about instead of the 50 year cold war and all the other wars we fought if we would have put the time and energy into colonizing Mars. Take all the nukes we have built since the 1950's and tell me how much money that is. Human beings are stupid. One way to tell how dumb someone is, ask them if they believe in god.

Except that many brilliant scientists are perfectly willing to acknowledge that the very inception of the Universe is an unknowable for science. And lots of them therefore feel free to admit the possibility of a Creator.

What kind of scientist are they if they believe in something that can't be scientifically verified? That's just cognitive dissonance and wishful thinking and usually because they want to believe or they don't want to go to hell. Or a lot of people say they believe but don't really. Look at how many christians say they believe but admit the stories are just allegories. So there are many different levels of belief. And as a scientist. Could there be? Sure there could be. We didn't even know how big our universe was until the invention of the telescope. And do you realize the next closest star is 70,000 years from us? One day science will get us there in 40 years. Don't ask god to help

They cannot scientifically verify where the initial "thing" that "caused" the Big Bang came from.

But lots of them believe in it.

Scientists don't pretend to know everything. Some things are premised on either belief or are merely assumed pending further proof.
Its a universally accepted scientific theory. That's as good as it gets. Better than the creation story

So the sillybozo thesis is that a nearly 'universally accepted scientific theory' is not only as "good as it gets" but is also somehow NOT the same thing as believing something that cannot be scientifically verified.

There are no absolute truths in science; all laws, theories and conclusions can become obsolete if they are found in contradiction with new evidence. However, a scientific theory is the highest honor any scientific principle can obtain, for they comprise all the evidence, laws and models relevant to an observed phenomena. Theories are rarely proven incorrect.
 
That's the only business masters there is? WRONG! I have a Masters in Organizational Management.

At least you looked up an actual degree this time, instead of moronically claiming a " business masters."

And it all boils down to this. You wouldn't be so defensive if it weren't for the fact that you believe that the test to get into heaven is belief in your religion and your god Jesus. I say that's a joke. You've swallowed a lie and the preachers who preach to you have swallowed the same lie and you are passing that lie onto your children. Same thing Muslims are doing in the middle east.

You wouldn't be so offensive, offended and defensive if it weren't for the cult you belong to. If your cult said belief wasn't important but good deeds were what mattered, I may not believe an actual god told your ancestors this but I would have no problem with the message.

So really I have no problem with a god that may or may not exist. Its you and your cult I dislike. Same way you don't like Muslims or mormons.

What I want Silly Bonobo, is for you to argue for the other side,.

You could be a real asset to the hyper-religious point of view! :thup:

Science is not your forte' - THINKING is not your forte'.

Why because I don't believe in your imaginary invisible friend?
 
That's the only business masters there is? WRONG! I have a Masters in Organizational Management.

At least you looked up an actual degree this time, instead of moronically claiming a " business masters."

And it all boils down to this. You wouldn't be so defensive if it weren't for the fact that you believe that the test to get into heaven is belief in your religion and your god Jesus. I say that's a joke. You've swallowed a lie and the preachers who preach to you have swallowed the same lie and you are passing that lie onto your children. Same thing Muslims are doing in the middle east.

You wouldn't be so offensive, offended and defensive if it weren't for the cult you belong to. If your cult said belief wasn't important but good deeds were what mattered, I may not believe an actual god told your ancestors this but I would have no problem with the message.

So really I have no problem with a god that may or may not exist. Its you and your cult I dislike. Same way you don't like Muslims or mormons.

What I want Silly Bonobo, is for you to argue for the other side,.

You could be a real asset to the hyper-religious point of view! :thup:

Science is not your forte' - THINKING is not your forte'.

Oh, and it was an easy masters program. I worked for the University of Phoenix when I was in my late 20's and I figured what the hell it was free if you worked there. So even though they didn't pay well, it was like I was being paid to go to college. It was a once a week program where you go from 6-9pm and do a lot of group work outside of class. It was great for me because I didn't have to leave work to drive to class once a week or leave work to go meet with my group. They always met at my work. Lots of busy work though. Lot of papers. The toughest professor I had went to Harvard. He was tough. The MOM didn't involve a lot of the tough classes like advanced economics, accounting, calculus and all those other mathy type classes or I would have never got the degree.

No science is not my forte but it is Neal Degrasse Tyson's and Carl Sagan's. And they disagree with you dummy. I just happen to agree with them. Better than a Pope or corrupt church.
 

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