Republican Tyranny: Michigan is the proof of concept.

[UpAndAbout]

Yes! Now you get it. The rich have never been richer and our wages have stalled. We make the same as we did 30 years ago because for 30 years you have been attacking unions. Their numbers went from 35% to 12% of the workforce. And as their numbers declined, so did our wages. But Corporations are breaking profit records. Healthcare, Oil Companies, Defense companies. And their CEO's are making 100 times what they did 10 yeas ago. That means you can't have a raise. Get it???

Which by the way, plays into what hurt the American auto industry and helped crash the economy. Remember when gas went up to over $4 a gallon on Bush's watch? That really hurt the American economy, especially the auto industries truck sales.

And if you guys really believe in free markets without government intervention, stop giving Toyota and Honda tax breaks to manufacture down south. Its hard to compete with that socialism. Government intervention in the market. Helping foreign auto companies bankrupt the US Auto companies. And then we overtook them! Obama did that shit!!!

Tell you what. why don't you get off your whining, hand-wringing ass and start your OWN business. See what it's all about. You'd soon be singing a different tune, I'm sure. You could be the perfect CEO of your own company, pay big wages, great benefits, everything. You could run any way you please. Maybe.

I was thinking instead of unionizing the people at my work. Lot of liberals that agree with me there.

Why? And let the unions get more money? do you realize how many of you the company would have to be let go to pay for that? They couldn't afford to pay ALL of you union wages, so somebody would have to go. the unions don't work for free. if you don't like your pay and you think are worth more --- start your own business.

 

[sealybobo]

I own my own businesses. A design firm and a restaurant.

What maximizes employee wages over the long run are free markets. You're view that managers can do whatever they want and employees are their victims is ridiculous. Employers compete for workers, just like workers compete for jobs. A free market maximizes the benefit for both. Your loser mentality only maximizes losers.

Maybe it doesn't work that way at a little company like yours but it does in multinational corporations. Nothing loser about me or wanting the top 1% to share with the rest of us.

This demonstrates the true liberal/conservative divide. Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it, even when it leads to centuries of Tiny Tims and terrified-of-job-loss employees. As the Wall Street Journal noted in 1997, Alan Greenspan sees one of his main jobs as being to maintain a high enough level of "worker insecurity" that employees won't demand pay raises and benefits increases, thus provoking "wage inflation." ("CEO inflation" is fine with the cons.)

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

Then start your own business!!!!! Apply for a CEO job. Get off your ass and change your life. the opportunities are endless, limited only by your imagination. Stop blaming others and looking to the government to fix you. because it never will, I don't care who is in office. You are living in the wrong country if you expect cradle to grave care. You could: buy a franchise of some kind. Open up a beauty shop, start a housecleaning business, anything. The possibilies are endless. Be your own boss.

1. Not everyone can have their own business. Too many people. What you are suggesting is that if I don't like being a worker than I should be a business owner? How about I just ask for a raise?

2. None of this is personal. You don't know shit about me. I can tell you that I'm a successful salesperson and my brother is a VP of a tier 1 supplier. I don't want a handout and I do just fine for myself. But I do want medicare and social security. I'm not brainwashed into thinking it won't be there when I retired just because the GOP said so. They fucking raped the kitty. Gave the Bush tax breaks. Time to pay that loan back. IT didn't fix the ecomomy. Right? That was why we passed it. It didn't work. And taking it back won't hurt job creation. We will leave small business owners like you alone. You don't make over $1 milllion a year so relax

And just because I'm successful, that doesn't mean I bury my head and pretend the GOP aren't fucking the rest of the middle class and the poor. Its in my heart. I care about other people. You are every man for himself. We reject your way. Sorry.

We've all been screwed by GOP anomics. You guys just won't admit it because you think we are socialists. You are brainwashed. So vote for Romney. You're such a minority at this point who cares.

 

[sealybobo]

Tell you what. why don't you get off your whining, hand-wringing ass and start your OWN business. See what it's all about. You'd soon be singing a different tune, I'm sure. You could be the perfect CEO of your own company, pay big wages, great benefits, everything. You could run any way you please. Maybe.

I was thinking instead of unionizing the people at my work. Lot of liberals that agree with me there.

Why? And let the unions get more money? do you realize how many of you the company would have to be let go to pay for that? They couldn't afford to pay ALL of you union wages, so somebody would have to go. the unions don't work for free. if you don't like your pay and you think are worth more --- start your own business.

Hey, we haven't gotten a raise in 30 years! I'm sure in that time the unions would have gotten us a few cost of living increases. The company hasn't offered it willingly yet. Not until the economy gets better and they fear losing us. But Ford and GM and Chrysler employees got profit sharing this year. Did you give your employees that? Didn't think so. Maybe they should unionize.

And instead of the CEO making $700,000 a month, maybe he needs to take a pay cut so we don't lose any good employees. And if you want to fire a few people or offer buy outs to right size the business, go for it.

I used to work for Thomson Reuters. HUGE company. Year after year the CEO's pay goes up and ever year the sales people are not given a salary raise and their quotas go up every year and their percentages go down. So they are working more and making less. They should unionize. Or should all 5000 of them go out and start their own business'?

 

[UpAndAbout]

You make $16 hr and you vote GOP? Why?

I'm talking about states, not cities. I know for a fact that southerners make less than we do here up north.

Detroit might be one of the poorest cities, or Flint, but they are surrounded by filthy rich cities and counties. Michigan has great wealth and overall our wages are higher than the south per capita.

I vote GOP because I believe in independence and everyone working and contributing and being free to choose. I don't want government handouts or any control by the government above what we already have. I believe everyone should be the best that can be. I could have finished college and become a supervisor or something, it was not my choice. We live the simple life. and that's how we like it. we are free. I drive a big car, eat meat, cut down trees, I don't go green and I don't believe man has anything to do with climate change, warm or cold. I don't make excuses for criminals, I believe in the death penalty. Anything else you want to know? I believe in carrying guns. I think child molesters should have a "first strike, you're out." Basically I am for everything the Democrats are against. I am not jealous of anybody who makes more than I do, they have more responsibility and likely more education. I don't WANT any more responsibility. We do all the things we want. And besides, the best things in life are free anyhow. we have our health and even though we are in our 60s we don't act it by any means.

The rich pray on social righties like you. We'll take this country back when people like you wake up and realize you are in the wrong party. They got you on wedge issues.

I tried to re read your bullshit and I can't. You say you don't want handouts? So are you saying you don't want safety nets?

Don't answer. You are the worst type of Republican. Low information brainwashed socially conservative sucker.

And yes you are jealous of people that make more than you. You hate unions, right? Jealous ignorant assholes!!!!

Look you little asshole! Do NOT tell me what I am jealous of and what I am not. I was raised in the 1950s by a single divorced mother with no food stamps, welfare or handouts. I work out of my home in front of a computer. I don't need "safety nets." Don't you think there are people everywhere who work their butts off as business owners without "safety nets" (whatever that is, I'm assuming you mean government stepping in). No I don't want safety nets or handouts. Never had them, don't need them now. unions are nothing but crooks. They help worthless people keep their jobs. Union people are the biggest crybabies in the work force. Unable to think for themselves. They are jealous of the owners of the companies so by god they are going to force them to pay more through the union. If I was the owner of the company you work for and I got wind of your attitude you'd be fired in a heartbeat. OR I would finally decide enough is enough and I would sell the company or close it and then all of you "takers" would be out of work.

My husband works at a local fair grounds in maintenance, driving a forklift, etc. They have NEVER had unions. don't want them. If the workers were to decide they wanted them, they couldn't afford it, they would have to charge more for shows like horse shows and car shows, more for vendors, etc. People would have to be laid off. Likely they would go out of business.

Start your own business. Get more education. Look in the mirror to see who is the only one who can fix YOU.

 

[UpAndAbout]

I was thinking instead of unionizing the people at my work. Lot of liberals that agree with me there.

Why? And let the unions get more money? do you realize how many of you the company would have to be let go to pay for that? They couldn't afford to pay ALL of you union wages, so somebody would have to go. the unions don't work for free. if you don't like your pay and you think are worth more --- start your own business.

Hey, we haven't gotten a raise in 30 years! I'm sure in that time the unions would have gotten us a few cost of living increases. The company hasn't offered it willingly yet. Not until the economy gets better and they fear losing us. But Ford and GM and Chrysler employees got profit sharing this year. Did you give your employees that? Didn't think so. Maybe they should unionize.

And instead of the CEO making $700,000 a month, maybe he needs to take a pay cut so we don't lose any good employees. And if you want to fire a few people or offer buy outs to right size the business, go for it.

I used to work for Thomson Reuters. HUGE company. Year after year the CEO's pay goes up and ever year the sales people are not given a salary raise and their quotas go up every year and their percentages go down. So they are working more and making less. They should unionize. Or should all 5000 of them go out and start their own business'?

I was sole proprietor, I had no employees. Just me. Imagine that. Just little ole me.

Yes, if any of them had any gumption that's exactly what they should do. It's happened before. It's called "competition."

Example: we have a wonderful bicycle shop here in town owned and operated by a former Boeing machinist. Tired of the rat race like you describe. Quit, and starting his bicycle shop. He told us that when he did it he gave himself six months. and that it would prove to be either the best decision he ever made or the stupidest. Well it's been about 10 years now and it has proved to be the best decision. He is the only worker, I think his wife helps him. He has excellent bikes and accessories and we have him tune our bikes up every year. It CAN be done. Nobody said it's easy. but it can be done. I don't take misery in a job very well which is I went solo. never looked back. Actually now I'm half solo, half employee, but that's okay. I think if you do a little research you will find instances of employees just like yourself who finally say enough is enough, take the bull by the horns and go for it. Besides you can always get a small business loan from the government.


http://www.smarter.com/se--qq-Start+Own+Business.html; http://www.articlesbase.com/entrepr...hey-dont-tell-you-in-text-books-1269754.html; http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-House-Cleaning-Business

and last but not least: http://www.annarbor.com/business-re...n-gm-plant-employees-look-to-self-employment/

 

[kaz]

Maybe it doesn't work that way at a little company like yours but it does in multinational corporations. Nothing loser about me or wanting the top 1% to share with the rest of us.

This demonstrates the true liberal/conservative divide. Conservatives believe what business does is business's business, and government should keep its nose out of it, even when it leads to centuries of Tiny Tims and terrified-of-job-loss employees.

I spent half my career before the last couple years in GE management and the other in management consulting and you have zero knowledge of what you're talking about. Hiring and retaining talent is an endless job. Your view that workers are interchangeable and their skills are all equal is insulting to the people you claim to speak for and is pure ignorance regarding reality.

 

[kaz]

And just because I'm successful, that doesn't mean I bury my head and pretend the GOP aren't fucking the rest of the middle class and the poor

So if you're exactly like every other salesman with zero skills they don't have, no more motivation, no more education, you don't put in any more effort, you're not willing to find another company, if your employer mistreats you then you won't find another job, you just do exactly what other identical salesmen do then why are you more successful then they are?

 

[Big Fitz]

It wasn't unsustainable income you fool.

Right. Then it's all theft? The money and sales are still rolling in at the same rate, but now, it just goes to CEO's pockets?

yeah..... not so much.

Yes! Now you get it. The rich have never been richer and our wages have stalled. We make the same as we did 30 years ago because for 30 years you have been attacking unions. Their numbers went from 35% to 12% of the workforce. And as their numbers declined, so did our wages. But Corporations are breaking profit records. Healthcare, Oil Companies, Defense companies. And their CEO's are making 100 times what they did 10 yeas ago. That means you can't have a raise. Get it???

Which by the way, plays into what hurt the American auto industry and helped crash the economy. Remember when gas went up to over $4 a gallon on Bush's watch? That really hurt the American economy, especially the auto industries truck sales.

And if you guys really believe in free markets without government intervention, stop giving Toyota and Honda tax breaks to manufacture down south. Its hard to compete with that socialism. Government intervention in the market. Helping foreign auto companies bankrupt the US Auto companies. And then we overtook them! Obama did that shit!!!

Only thing I get is that you're economically illiterate and bordering on nuts.

No surprises today though.

 

[Big Fitz]

Yes! Now you get it. The rich have never been richer and our wages have stalled. We make the same as we did 30 years ago because for 30 years you have been attacking unions. Their numbers went from 35% to 12% of the workforce. And as their numbers declined, so did our wages. But Corporations are breaking profit records. Healthcare, Oil Companies, Defense companies. And their CEO's are making 100 times what they did 10 yeas ago. That means you can't have a raise. Get it???

Which by the way, plays into what hurt the American auto industry and helped crash the economy. Remember when gas went up to over $4 a gallon on Bush's watch? That really hurt the American economy, especially the auto industries truck sales.

And if you guys really believe in free markets without government intervention, stop giving Toyota and Honda tax breaks to manufacture down south. Its hard to compete with that socialism. Government intervention in the market. Helping foreign auto companies bankrupt the US Auto companies. And then we overtook them! Obama did that shit!!!

Tell you what. why don't you get off your whining, hand-wringing ass and start your OWN business. See what it's all about. You'd soon be singing a different tune, I'm sure. You could be the perfect CEO of your own company, pay big wages, great benefits, everything. You could run any way you please. Maybe.

I was thinking instead of unionizing the people at my work. Lot of liberals that agree with me there.

I see, you want to implement the same methods that caused GM and the steel industry to fail.

 

[Misty]

MAINE is becoming another example of the GOP ideal.

LePage is dismantling the social services network as fast as he can.

yea come to California......the Democratic Party ideal.....

I use to live in California.

San Francisco is one of the cleanest and loveliest cities in the nation.

Especially the parks where the hundreds of homeless live.

 

[Misty]

Los Angeles is a liberal paradise full of gangs robberies drive by shootings and hollyweirds. So dangerous you can't even stop there unless you know exactly where you are going and don't make eye contact with anyone.

 

[Zander]

If the people of Michigan are not happy with their representatives, they can vote them out next election. As Obama once said "elections have consequences"......

 

[Jroc]

Yeah we were "blown away" alright

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsYNOndLavU&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsYNOndLavU&feature=relmfu[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GilnPpH02j4]Ex-Detroit Councilwoman Monica Conyers Gets 37 Months in Prison - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

Kwame goes to jail..


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgfI2gcVU_8&feature=related]Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick: Text message scandal unravels - YouTube[/ame]

 

[peach174]

MAINE is becoming another example of the GOP ideal.

LePage is dismantling the social services network as fast as he can.

yea come to California......the Democratic Party ideal.....

I use to live in California.

San Francisco is one of the cleanest and loveliest cities in the nation.

You can't even buy goldfish there any more, but you can smoke pot in the park all day long.

 

[Jroc]

FBI has raided the offices of Bobby Ferguson, longtime friend of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.
who stole millions from the city...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fYTMvb88Ng]FBI raids Bobby Ferguson's office - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well it seems that the autocratic plans for the country are being proven out in Michigan. Republicans won the legislature and have used emergency rules to fast track laws as BAU. They've taken over towns and tossed out local officials while ramming through un-popular bills without taking a vote. It seems that although they have a majority..they don't have the 2/3rds majority necessary to fast track. And it seems that the vote count might not have been "accurate". We've seen these sorts of things take place in other states, but none so brazen. Michigan is in the process of liqudating towns they don't like..and voter suppression.

Rachel Maddow said, “Under the Michigan constitution remember again you can only make a law take effect immediately if you have a 2/3 majority, if you have a super majority. Michigan Republicans don’t have that. In the House they don’t have a 2/3 majority. In order to get 2/3 on any vote, House Republicans would need the help of almost a dozen Democrats. You need 63 lawmakers on your side, before you get what the state constitution says you can have if you want that immediate effect right. You need 73 votes to take effect right away. So for the emergency manager law for example, Democrats voted against that law in a bloc. Republicans did pass it with their 62 votes and 62 votes is enough to pass it, but it’s not nearly enough for it to go into effect immediately, but regardless they just attached immediate effect to it anyway.”

Maddow pointed out that Republicans are claiming immediate effect passed with a 2/3 majority, but it didn’t happen that way. She pointed out that the emergency manager law and possibly the rest of the 500 bills the Michigan Republicans passed and used immediate effect may have been passed in violation of Michigan constitution.

She showed video evidence of Michigan Republicans violating the constitution and illegally passing bills, and discussed the Democrats lawsuit against the Republicans over their abuse of immediate effect. The court case matters because Michigan Republicans are trying to pass a law to make it harder to vote, and they are also trying to pass a law making it harder to put a referendum on the ballot.

<snip

The phased Republican murder of democracy in Michigan has never gotten the attention that it deserves. Michigan has taken a backseat to Wisconsin and the SB 5 drama in Ohio, but something is happening in Michigan that is more important than what is going on in those other states. For the first time in our history, a political party in a state is systemically eliminating democracy in order to create one party rule.

When Republicans ignore their own state constitution and violate the democratic process in the state legislature, that is call autocracy. When Republicans strip power away from voters and representatives and hand it to a non-elected appointee of the governor that is a democracy killing behavior.

Rachel Maddow Eviscerates Michigan Republicans for Circumventing Democracy

The Democrats who have been running Detroit have been doing such a great job the only way the Republicans can trick them is by giving them money.

 

[Sallow]

Juvenile or not, it's still accurate. Some people need to be hit with truth... or fists to get them to snap out of their delusions that things are not what they really are.

Or jackboots to crush them..

Oh whatever. The economic realities that exist now are because of entitlement addictions, punitive liberal legislation against business and the middle and upper class and not having the ability to seal the borders to keep people in the state. 50+ years of liberal rule and their fiscal malfeasance has lead to this, and now drastic painful measures are needed to even START things flowing the opposite direction from total disaster.

Well thats not true. But heck..if you keep repeating it..

You guys got furious over the half a billion dollar Solyandra investment..but narry a word about the 300 Billion dollar Joint strike fighter debacle.

It's amazing you show your heads after stuff like that. But you guys got no morals, no ethics, or any ideas about how civics work. You guys hate compromise.

I dunno why anyone trusts you guys with politics at all.

Insanity is not good governance.

 

[Harry Dresden]

MAINE is becoming another example of the GOP ideal.

LePage is dismantling the social services network as fast as he can.

yea come to California......the Democratic Party ideal.....

I use to live in California.

San Francisco is one of the cleanest and loveliest cities in the nation.

not talking about Clean Sallow.....and somehow i think you know that.....Yorba Linda is a Republican little stronghold and its pretty fucking clean too.....and lovely.....now explain the fucking mess California is in....