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And the money comes from where?If you work a holiday you should be paid extra, and I don't care who you are or who you work for. Pay up you cheap bastards.Unfortunately there is never a limit to these 'benevolent' laws passed in the interest of those less fortunate or to benefit a particular class of people.Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.
except the examples are never limited, and the state will expand the extra pay to more and more situations, because of course, its not thier money.
These slippery slope fallacies are always foolish. If this is the position you are going to take, then you must demand complete and total anarchy. The dissolution of all government, period. Reasonable laws of limited applicability do not cease to be reasonable simply because a different law of wide applicability is unreasonable.
So yes, this is a slippery slope...
I can almost guarantee that IF this is ever to become law, every union leader of every union representing public employees as well as unions representing nurses, airport workers and anyone else who must work holidays will scream a collective "ME TOO!!!!!"
Yeah, so it IS a slippery slope.
unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this
SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.
A lawmaker in Ohio wants stores in the state to pay triple wages for employees who work on Thanksgiving ? an effort that comes as Macy’s, the holiday’s quintessential retailer, is allowing its workers to choose whether to work that day.
Both are attempts to counter frustration among workers and their families over holiday store hours that have expanded into the holiday.
State Rep. Mike Foley, a Democrat from Cleveland, said his bill would allow employees to bow out of the holiday shift without job sanctions while protecting family time from excessive consumerism.
It comes after a federal complaint filed earlier this year accused Wal-Mart of illegally firing, disciplining or threatening more than 60 employees in 14 states for participating in protests over wages and working conditions…
Foley said the idea for his bill came from a call last year from a Cincinnati woman who said both she and her 82-year-old mother had been scheduled to work their retail jobs on Thanksgiving.
“I was offended by it,” he said. “Can’t there be one day that’s carved out of this consumerist, materialistic society we’re living in?”
This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.
This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.
Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)
ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
You would not recognize a fact or truth if someone dropped it on your head.No, it's such a terrible place now, because of the damn liberals, who founded it, that you should leave or form your own country, which makes what I said Truth.It's my country, now get the fuck out of it and take the rest of the morons with you. I no longer need you to plow the fields and dig the ditches.Americans suck.
You are welcome to get the fuck out.
IF THE CUSTOMER is DEMANDING that the stores be opened on Holidays as some here claim, then they won't mind paying a penny or two more in price.... right?And the money comes from where?If you work a holiday you should be paid extra, and I don't care who you are or who you work for. Pay up you cheap bastards.Unfortunately there is never a limit to these 'benevolent' laws passed in the interest of those less fortunate or to benefit a particular class of people.Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.
except the examples are never limited, and the state will expand the extra pay to more and more situations, because of course, its not thier money.
These slippery slope fallacies are always foolish. If this is the position you are going to take, then you must demand complete and total anarchy. The dissolution of all government, period. Reasonable laws of limited applicability do not cease to be reasonable simply because a different law of wide applicability is unreasonable.
So yes, this is a slippery slope...
I can almost guarantee that IF this is ever to become law, every union leader of every union representing public employees as well as unions representing nurses, airport workers and anyone else who must work holidays will scream a collective "ME TOO!!!!!"
Yeah, so it IS a slippery slope.
You don't think the business won't pass the additional cost to the consumer?
How often do you look in the mirror and exclaim "How stupid do you think I am"..
Look, moron. I know your game. I got your number.
You post garbage on here just to get a rise from people.
I think you are a bitter sad individual with no life and indoor plumbing problems.
You're easy.
I see you've never operated a business and done payroll .It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this
SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.
A lawmaker in Ohio wants stores in the state to pay triple wages for employees who work on Thanksgiving ? an effort that comes as Macy’s, the holiday’s quintessential retailer, is allowing its workers to choose whether to work that day.
Both are attempts to counter frustration among workers and their families over holiday store hours that have expanded into the holiday.
State Rep. Mike Foley, a Democrat from Cleveland, said his bill would allow employees to bow out of the holiday shift without job sanctions while protecting family time from excessive consumerism.
It comes after a federal complaint filed earlier this year accused Wal-Mart of illegally firing, disciplining or threatening more than 60 employees in 14 states for participating in protests over wages and working conditions…
Foley said the idea for his bill came from a call last year from a Cincinnati woman who said both she and her 82-year-old mother had been scheduled to work their retail jobs on Thanksgiving.
“I was offended by it,” he said. “Can’t there be one day that’s carved out of this consumerist, materialistic society we’re living in?”
This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.
This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.
Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)
ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this
SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.
A lawmaker in Ohio wants stores in the state to pay triple wages for employees who work on Thanksgiving ? an effort that comes as Macy’s, the holiday’s quintessential retailer, is allowing its workers to choose whether to work that day.
Both are attempts to counter frustration among workers and their families over holiday store hours that have expanded into the holiday.
State Rep. Mike Foley, a Democrat from Cleveland, said his bill would allow employees to bow out of the holiday shift without job sanctions while protecting family time from excessive consumerism.
It comes after a federal complaint filed earlier this year accused Wal-Mart of illegally firing, disciplining or threatening more than 60 employees in 14 states for participating in protests over wages and working conditions…
Foley said the idea for his bill came from a call last year from a Cincinnati woman who said both she and her 82-year-old mother had been scheduled to work their retail jobs on Thanksgiving.
“I was offended by it,” he said. “Can’t there be one day that’s carved out of this consumerist, materialistic society we’re living in?”
This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.
This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.
Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)
ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this
SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.
This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.
This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.
Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)
ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.
It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.
The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.
Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.
And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.
Please read my previous comment.unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this
SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.
This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.
This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.
Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)
ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
So you're giving the government an interest free loan?unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill
In a weekly check maybe but as I said in the end unless you are actually pushed into a higher bracket you still make more because the extra tax taken out on a high overtime check will be used to offset something else resulting in either a higher return or a lower tax billPlease read my previous comment.unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
However I've had guys point out they would have made more money if they had worked less hours when it comes to overtime.
Yes in weekly checksIn a weekly check maybe but as I said in the end unless you are actually pushed into a higher bracket you still make more because the extra tax taken out on a high overtime check will be used to offset something else resulting in either a higher return or a lower tax billPlease read my previous comment.unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
However I've had guys point out they would have made more money if they had worked less hours when it comes to overtime.
Everyone who gets an income tax return does.So you're giving the government an interest free loan?unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill
Once again a Liberal thinking they have a say in when a private business has its employees work.Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.
It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.
But in the long run it evens out.Yes in weekly checksIn a weekly check maybe but as I said in the end unless you are actually pushed into a higher bracket you still make more because the extra tax taken out on a high overtime check will be used to offset something else resulting in either a higher return or a lower tax billPlease read my previous comment.unfortunately it does work that way.It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.
Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.
However I've had guys point out they would have made more money if they had worked less hours when it comes to overtime.
Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.
So...you want the Wal-Mart cashier to get triple pay...but not the ER nurse, the police officer, the EMT, the tow truck driver, or the restaurant cook? Gee, thanks.
Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.
except the examples are never limited, and the state will expand the extra pay to more and more situations, because of course, its not thier money.
These slippery slope fallacies are always foolish. If this is the position you are going to take, then you must demand complete and total anarchy. The dissolution of all government, period. Reasonable laws of limited applicability do not cease to be reasonable simply because a different law of wide applicability is unreasonable.
And yet you just used argumentum ad absurdum, and that somehow is ok.....
Government HAS been ever expanding and taking liberties with existing laws, there is no fallacy there.
Seems you have alot to learn about logic. You use a slippery slope. Pointing out your slippery slope is, according to you, an reduction to absurdity. Interesting you pick that, of all things, because the reduction to absurdity is perhaps the most misunderstood and abused label in logic. You would be better to remove it from your lexicon, until such point as you've had several years of intense study on the subject. But here's a teaser for you: Reduction to absurdity is a valid form of argument.
It will be much more than a penny or two..IF THE CUSTOMER is DEMANDING that the stores be opened on Holidays as some here claim, then they won't mind paying a penny or two more in price.... right?And the money comes from where?If you work a holiday you should be paid extra, and I don't care who you are or who you work for. Pay up you cheap bastards.Unfortunately there is never a limit to these 'benevolent' laws passed in the interest of those less fortunate or to benefit a particular class of people.except the examples are never limited, and the state will expand the extra pay to more and more situations, because of course, its not thier money.
These slippery slope fallacies are always foolish. If this is the position you are going to take, then you must demand complete and total anarchy. The dissolution of all government, period. Reasonable laws of limited applicability do not cease to be reasonable simply because a different law of wide applicability is unreasonable.
So yes, this is a slippery slope...
I can almost guarantee that IF this is ever to become law, every union leader of every union representing public employees as well as unions representing nurses, airport workers and anyone else who must work holidays will scream a collective "ME TOO!!!!!"
Yeah, so it IS a slippery slope.
You don't think the business won't pass the additional cost to the consumer?
How often do you look in the mirror and exclaim "How stupid do you think I am"..
Look, moron. I know your game. I got your number.
You post garbage on here just to get a rise from people.
I think you are a bitter sad individual with no life and indoor plumbing problems.
You're easy.
