Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays

[Stephanie]

I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this

SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.

A lawmaker in Ohio wants stores in the state to pay triple wages for employees who work on Thanksgiving ? an effort that comes as Macy’s, the holiday’s quintessential retailer, is allowing its workers to choose whether to work that day.

Both are attempts to counter frustration among workers and their families over holiday store hours that have expanded into the holiday.

State Rep. Mike Foley, a Democrat from Cleveland, said his bill would allow employees to bow out of the holiday shift without job sanctions while protecting family time from excessive consumerism.

It comes after a federal complaint filed earlier this year accused Wal-Mart of illegally firing, disciplining or threatening more than 60 employees in 14 states for participating in protests over wages and working conditions…

Foley said the idea for his bill came from a call last year from a Cincinnati woman who said both she and her 82-year-old mother had been scheduled to work their retail jobs on Thanksgiving.

“I was offended by it,” he said. “Can’t there be one day that’s carved out of this consumerist, materialistic society we’re living in?”

This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.

This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.

Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)

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Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air

 

[Nosmo King]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

 

[Roadrunner]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

 

[SwimExpert]

Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.

 

[Care4all]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

I think if that were the case then retailers would not have to spend billions on advertising to come in and shop.

 

[SwimExpert]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

I think if that were the case then retailers would not have to spend billions on advertising to come in and shop.

Actually, high demand tends to warrant high marketing budgets when supply is high as well. How else do you capitalize on the demand, if not by drawing interest toward yourself and away from potential competition.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Extra pay, good idea. Close the damn stores and let people have a day off. Americans suck.

 

[martybegan]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

I've had good pay and have had to work holidays. It's called having a job. If you work in retail you should expect to work when people want to shop.

 

[martybegan]

Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.

except the examples are never limited, and the state will expand the extra pay to more and more situations, because of course, its not thier money.

 

[Care4all]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

I think if that were the case then retailers would not have to spend billions on advertising to come in and shop.

Actually, high demand tends to warrant high marketing budgets when supply is high as well. How else do you capitalize on the demand, if not by drawing interest toward yourself and away from potential competition.

yes, ADVERTISING does pull people in to shop....and those stores who chose to open, needed to pull the customers in to their stores.

if the customer was DEMANDING the stores be opened on Holidays because they wanted to shop on holidays, then by the mere presence of all those customers demanding, and being there, the huge money spent on advertising should not be needed to garner the business from them.....

in Maine it's against the law to be opened on Thanksgiving, and NO ONE HERE is DEMANDING the stores open for them....

 

[Care4all]

This WAS NOT EVER the customer's idea....

this has ALWAYS BEEN the stores themselves that initiated this, to believe otherwise, is foolish.

 

[Nosmo King]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

Close the stores, open the stores. That's not the point. Paying employees a fair rate to sacrifice their own family gatherings, that's the point.

And again, Conservatives favor screwing the working man so the owners might keep more profit. What about "Families" are valuable to Conservatives? Their actual families, or how little families should have to make ends meet?

 

[Roadrunner]

This WAS NOT EVER the customer's idea....

this has ALWAYS BEEN the stores themselves that initiated this, to believe otherwise, is foolish.

There has never been a store with no customers that stayed open long.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

Close the stores, open the stores. That's not the point. Paying employees a fair rate to sacrifice their own family gatherings, that's the point.

And again, Conservatives favor screwing the working man so the owners might keep more profit. What about "Families" are valuable to Conservatives? Their actual families, or how little families should have to make ends meet?

They are Pro-Leave It To Beaver families, not actual ones, obviously.

 

[martybegan]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

The stores are open because the consumers demand access to the goods.

The consumers do not demand access to the goods because the stores are open.

Close the stores on holidays, and the consumer just goes to the net more, and the brick and mortar places continue to fold.

And Libs will have to find something else that is none of their business to bitch about.

Close the stores, open the stores. That's not the point. Paying employees a fair rate to sacrifice their own family gatherings, that's the point.

And again, Conservatives favor screwing the working man so the owners might keep more profit. What about "Families" are valuable to Conservatives? Their actual families, or how little families should have to make ends meet?

Should an employee have to prove that they are actually missing said family gathering?

I know people who move thanksgiving a day before or after because of work conditions, why the sudden interest in retail workers?

Oh right, because it allows you to push forward your political agenda. carry on then.

 

[martybegan]

This WAS NOT EVER the customer's idea....

this has ALWAYS BEEN the stores themselves that initiated this, to believe otherwise, is foolish.

and yet the flock to the stores for the deals.

No demand and supply eventually runs out.

 

[Nosmo King]

These stores are creating shopping opportunities durning family holidays. They are eroding family experiences simply to raise profits. When the stores were closed on holidays, no one seemed to mind. But holiday shopping on Thanksgiving Day is an invention of retailers, not consumers.

Employees are asking for fair pay in exchange of their family holiday.

Conservatives are opposing both fair pay and the idea of a family holiday experience. Gee. Who'd a thunk it? Conservatives positioning themselves in favor of the owners and opposed to the worker and then, screwing that worker out of family time.

What do these Conservatives value? Certainly not working to earn a living, Conservatives feel the only honorable way of making money is by making a killing in the market, certainly not working to earn it. And do Conservatives 'Value' families? Hell no! Unless you want a family that does not dovetail into the narrow, archaic template of 'Family' the myopic Conservatives approve.

 

[SwimExpert]

Americans suck.

You are welcome to get the fuck out.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Americans suck.

You are welcome to get the fuck out.

It's my country, now get the fuck out of it and take the rest of the morons with you. I no longer need you to plow the fields and dig the ditches.

 

[SwimExpert]

Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.

except the examples are never limited, and the state will expand the extra pay to more and more situations, because of course, its not thier money.

These slippery slope fallacies are always foolish. If this is the position you are going to take, then you must demand complete and total anarchy. The dissolution of all government, period. Reasonable laws of limited applicability do not cease to be reasonable simply because a different law of wide applicability is unreasonable.