Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays

[Care4all]

the department store employees don't even make more come year end for working holidays, what we've done is cut their hours by one day, during the holiday week, so the double time is NOT added payroll dollars. So, if the employee is scheduled to work the holiday, they are given another 8 hrs off....to compensate for the Holiday Pay....

TRIPLING the hourly rate, would be difficult for stores to give their employees 2 extra days off....so, maybe the employee could increase their yearly earnings for working a holiday?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.

So...you want the Wal-Mart cashier to get triple pay...but not the ER nurse, the police officer, the EMT, the tow truck driver, or the restaurant cook? Gee, thanks.

Apparently you need to improve your reading skills. I said reasonable holiday pay. I did not say that reasonable was triple pay. Personally, I think the standard time-and-a-half is a perfectly reasonable holiday pay, and that triple pay would be excessive.

Also, I never said anything about exempting nurses or anyone else. Are you trying to imply that nurses, truck drivers, or restaurant cooks are all government employees? There are a great many private businesses that employ nurses and other healthcare workers.

As for government workers, they typically already get some form of holiday pay. If you work for the government generally you either have the holiday off with pay, or you get a subsequent day off with pay. That too, is reasonable IMO.

The person in Ohio is suggesting the retail workers receive 3X pay.
The idea of essential workers will no doubt be a result of their unions wanting a political "Me Too"

 

[Conservative65]

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

unfortunately it does work that way.

Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Me either while many of those not paying any income taxes get gs

Extra pay, good idea. Close the damn stores and let people have a day off. Americans suck.

since it's not your business, mind your own. Those who suck are the ones like you who think what someone else does is your business.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this

SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.

A lawmaker in Ohio wants stores in the state to pay triple wages for employees who work on Thanksgiving ? an effort that comes as Macy’s, the holiday’s quintessential retailer, is allowing its workers to choose whether to work that day.

Both are attempts to counter frustration among workers and their families over holiday store hours that have expanded into the holiday.

State Rep. Mike Foley, a Democrat from Cleveland, said his bill would allow employees to bow out of the holiday shift without job sanctions while protecting family time from excessive consumerism.

It comes after a federal complaint filed earlier this year accused Wal-Mart of illegally firing, disciplining or threatening more than 60 employees in 14 states for participating in protests over wages and working conditions…

Foley said the idea for his bill came from a call last year from a Cincinnati woman who said both she and her 82-year-old mother had been scheduled to work their retail jobs on Thanksgiving.

“I was offended by it,” he said. “Can’t there be one day that’s carved out of this consumerist, materialistic society we’re living in?”

This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.

This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.

Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)

ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air

The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

unfortunately it does work that way.

Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Good for you. I'm talking about those working weekly 40 hour a week taxes taken out of their checks each week,

 

[1776]

So a liberal kook wants to drive up consumer goods prices on other people to pay for those ridiculous wages.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Thanksgiving is perhaps the only major celebration holiday in the United States that possesses a decidedly American and secular purpose. Actually, scratch that. It's one of two, New Years being the second. Point is, I find it perfectly acceptable for a state government to mandate private businesses to pay a reasonable holiday pay for these limited examples.

So...you want the Wal-Mart cashier to get triple pay...but not the ER nurse, the police officer, the EMT, the tow truck driver, or the restaurant cook? Gee, thanks.

Apparently you need to improve your reading skills. I said reasonable holiday pay. I did not say that reasonable was triple pay. Personally, I think the standard time-and-a-half is a perfectly reasonable holiday pay, and that triple pay would be excessive.

Then what are you doing in the "Triple pay for retail workers" thread?

Also, I never said anything about exempting nurses or anyone else. Are you trying to imply that nurses, truck drivers, or restaurant cooks are all government employees? There are a great many private businesses that employ nurses and other healthcare workers.

Are you baked?

As for government workers, they typically already get some form of holiday pay. If you work for the government generally you either have the holiday off with pay, or you get a subsequent day off with pay. That too, is reasonable IMO.

Seriously: are you stoned?!

 

[Skull Pilot]

unfortunately it does work that way.

Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Good for you. I'm talking about those working weekly 40 hour a week taxes taken out of their checks each week,

Everyone who gets a tax return is giving the government an interest free loan. Which is why you should estimate your annual pay and then make sure that your withheld taxes either just cover your responsibility or fall just short and then you cut a check in April to make up the difference.

It ain't rocket science.

 

[thereisnospoon]

the department store employees don't even make more come year end for working holidays, what we've done is cut their hours by one day, during the holiday week, so the double time is NOT added payroll dollars. So, if the employee is scheduled to work the holiday, they are given another 8 hrs off....to compensate for the Holiday Pay....

TRIPLING the hourly rate, would be difficult for stores to give their employees 2 extra days off....so, maybe the employee could increase their yearly earnings for working a holiday?

WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That makes NO SENSE...
Go.......shovel your driveway.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this

SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.

A lawmaker in Ohio wants stores in the state to pay triple wages for employees who work on Thanksgiving ? an effort that comes as Macy’s, the holiday’s quintessential retailer, is allowing its workers to choose whether to work that day.

Both are attempts to counter frustration among workers and their families over holiday store hours that have expanded into the holiday.

State Rep. Mike Foley, a Democrat from Cleveland, said his bill would allow employees to bow out of the holiday shift without job sanctions while protecting family time from excessive consumerism.

It comes after a federal complaint filed earlier this year accused Wal-Mart of illegally firing, disciplining or threatening more than 60 employees in 14 states for participating in protests over wages and working conditions…

Foley said the idea for his bill came from a call last year from a Cincinnati woman who said both she and her 82-year-old mother had been scheduled to work their retail jobs on Thanksgiving.

“I was offended by it,” he said. “Can’t there be one day that’s carved out of this consumerist, materialistic society we’re living in?”

This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.

This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.

Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)

ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air

The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

No, it doesn't you dumbshit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Once again Conservatives define "Family Values" as working the holidays for lousy pay.

It seems the only "Families" Conservatives value are the families of the owners and the only thing they "Value" is more profit.

Those who object can find jobs where there is no work on Holidays....
So let's see.....Medical facility workers. Public safety. Media. Essential services such as utility companies....
So God damned stupid.

FAIR PAY!

You Conservtives with you 'Marie Anntoinette' attitudes just can't get it! If someone has to work a holiday, at least make it worth their effort!

Define "fair"......A number will suffice.
If you are thinking of a drawn out diatribe full of anecdotes about single moms, people who cannot afford internet or cell phones, struggle with the rent....Stow it.
Not interested. The problem with most low wage workers is they cannot properly manage their finances. In fact, if these people were for one year, given $1000 per week to do with as they wish, they would STILL end up broke and complaining about the same things.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

unfortunately it does work that way.

Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Me either while many of those not paying any income taxes get gs

Extra pay, good idea. Close the damn stores and let people have a day off. Americans suck.

since it's not your business, mind your own. Those who suck are the ones like you who think what someone else does is your business.

What someone else does often is my business dummy. That's known as living in a Society.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this

SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.

This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.

This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.

Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)

ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air

The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

No, it doesn't you dumbshit.

Don't you tire of being wrong all the time?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Good for you. I'm talking about those working weekly 40 hour a week taxes taken out of their checks each week,

Everyone who gets a tax return is giving the government an interest free loan. Which is why you should estimate your annual pay and then make sure that your withheld taxes either just cover your responsibility or fall just short and then you cut a check in April to make up the difference.

It ain't rocket science.

That's correct, or you could be generous as they need the cash so you let them keep the interest.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I wonder how many businesses this pampered elected idiot owns? Millions of people out of work and he's worried about this

SNIP:
Hi. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

Nobody likes working on the holidays. I’ve had to do it myself back in the day (and I wasn’t even in retail) and it’s no fun. But at least in Ohio, workers who do get called in on Thanksgiving may be cashing in big if some Democrats get their way. It seems that if retailers need their employees to work on Thanksgiving (or other holidays) the state may force them to triple their wages.

This is actually a totally separate issue from the federal minimum wage fight, though some will obviously try to conflate the two.

This is a move to have the state government reach far deeper into the day to day operations of businesses and micromanage their personnel policies. The proposed legislation would apply to not only specific days and times, but only a single sector of the workforce.

Businesses of all kinds have to decide when and how to offer their products and services in a way which still produces a profit. (There’s that nasty P word again, though progressives hate to hear it. It’s still a requirement to sustain private enterprise.)

ALL of it here:
Ohio Dem seeks to legislate triple pay for retail workers on holidays Hot Air

The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

No, it doesn't you dumbshit.

Bone smuggler

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

No, it doesn't you dumbshit.

Don't you tire of being wrong all the time?

Because I never am, no. They don't treat what you make per hour, even when the rates vary, differently you moron. It all comes out in the wash at the END OF THE YEAR!

 

[Jarlaxle]

The more you make on overtime is taxed at a higher bracket. of course he would want this.
If you work more than 50 hours a week you'll bring home less money than working less than 50 hours a week.

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

No, it doesn't you dumbshit.

Don't you tire of being wrong all the time?

Clearly not...he has posted 10,000+ times and is still going...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Your annual taxes are based on your adjusted gross income. Unless your overtime actually pushed you into another bracket at the end of the year you will pay the same tax rate on your overtime as you did on the rest of your income.

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Me either while many of those not paying any income taxes get gs

Extra pay, good idea. Close the damn stores and let people have a day off. Americans suck.

since it's not your business, mind your own. Those who suck are the ones like you who think what someone else does is your business.

What someone else does often is my business dummy. That's known as living in a Society.

No...In fact as long as there is no direct effect on you or no infringement on the rights of others, it is IS NONE of your business.
And before you type.....Do not even consider this your business. It isn't. What an employer decides to pay their employees is none of your concern.
You can go back your feed bucket now. Anything so you can shut up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah....For example take someone at $12 per hour. Triple it to $36....For tax purposes, The IRS sees someone who is paid $36 per hour . There goes HALF of their earnings.

It doesn't work that way idiot. And even if it did they'd still be ahead. God you people are morons.

Yes it does. Test tube baby

No, it doesn't you dumbshit.

Don't you tire of being wrong all the time?

Because I never am, no. They don't treat what you make per hour, even when the rates vary, differently you moron. It all comes out in the wash at the END OF THE YEAR!

People, most people anyway don't live on the end of the year they live week by week, how insulated in life are you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Therefore if you did pay a little extra some weeks then you would either get a higher return or a lesser tax bill

So you're giving the government an interest free loan?

Everyone who gets an income tax return does.

I pay quarterly taxes and have not received an income tax return in 15 years.

Good for you. I'm talking about those working weekly 40 hour a week taxes taken out of their checks each week,

Everyone who gets a tax return is giving the government an interest free loan. Which is why you should estimate your annual pay and then make sure that your withheld taxes either just cover your responsibility or fall just short and then you cut a check in April to make up the difference.

It ain't rocket science.

That's correct, or you could be generous as they need the cash so you let them keep the interest.

Let who keep the interest?

The fucking government?

No way Jose.