Obama Continues To Impress

[Old Rocks]

God Bless America? No No No! God DAmn America" Remember that shit? next time you tell a Republican to leave.. You voted for that!

When I first stated that Iraq was going to be a FUBAR, I was told to leave the country by numerous conservatives. I was accused of a lack of patriotism. I will not tell you or anyone else that does not like Obama to do the same. Rather, we are both Americans, so consider the results of Obama's policies, and if they actually work, be honest enough to say so. Oppose them now, if you wish. If they fail, you have "I told you so" rights. But if they succeed, be American enough to admit it.

 

[DiveCon]

When I first stated that Iraq was going to be a FUBAR, I was told to leave the country by numerous conservatives. I was accused of a lack of patriotism. I will not tell you or anyone else that does not like Obama to do the same. Rather, we are both Americans, so consider the results of Obama's policies, and if they actually work, be honest enough to say so. Oppose them now, if you wish. If they fail, you have "I told you so" rights. But if they succeed, be American enough to admit it.

yet Iraq is NOT FUBAR
so you were WRONG

 

[Old Rocks]

yet Iraq is NOT FUBAR
so you were WRONG

Good God! We have spent over half a trillion dollars, will probably total to between 2 and 3 trillion by the time all is paid for, and what have we got? Over 4000 dead Americans, no WMD, at least 500,000 dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqis in refugee status outside Iraq, at least that many in refugee status inside Iraq. Out of a population of 25 million. That is not a FUBAR?

What did we gain? Did we get Bin Laden? There was no Al Queda in Iraq prior to our invasion. Iraq had a thriving Christian population prior to the invasion, now almost all have left. Iraq is finally starting to pump out oil on it's own. To China. The influence of Iran has grown markedly in the region. Oh boy, that is real success! The only gainers in Iraq have been the corperations that have made billions on American and Iraqi blood. Like Haliburton, tens of billions in no bid contracts, and then moved their headquarters to Dubai. You think that was not lost on the American People?

Iraq was and is a FUBAR. And the man that took us there on the basis of lies that he had a hand in fabricating should be standing before the Hague!

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Obama impresses David Brooks .. wow.

Obama continues to impress Wall Street and Israel .. and continues to mindfuck democrats .. who are proving to be every bit as brain-dead as republicans.

Obama is a fraud and there isn't one damn thing he's done or will do that remotely represents "change"

He just picked an insane Bush economic policy supporter as his closest economic adviser.

Where's Paul Krugman who just won the Nobel Prize for Economics and has been on the money about the failures we see today?

Obama is a fraud .. and democrats are braindead.

 

[Shadow]

just like obamalama has, he promised it's on my list, and my tax burden better not go up one red nickel or yer all liars.

It's already going up in 2010 if you have kids when the Bush tax cuts arent extended. For families with kids it's $1000 per child to be exact.

Of course that wont effect the old farts on social security now hoping for universal healthcare. Or the college kiddies living off of student loans,grants or mommy and daddy. Just the working folks trying to get by and still feed and cloth their children (and send them to college).

 

[WillowTree]

Good God! We have spent over half a trillion dollars, will probably total to between 2 and 3 trillion by the time all is paid for, and what have we got? Over 4000 dead Americans, no WMD, at least 500,000 dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqis in refugee status outside Iraq, at least that many in refugee status inside Iraq. Out of a population of 25 million. That is not a FUBAR?

What did we gain? Did we get Bin Laden? There was no Al Queda in Iraq prior to our invasion. Iraq had a thriving Christian population prior to the invasion, now almost all have left. Iraq is finally starting to pump out oil on it's own. To China. The influence of Iran has grown markedly in the region. Oh boy, that is real success! The only gainers in Iraq have been the corperations that have made billions on American and Iraqi blood. Like Haliburton, tens of billions in no bid contracts, and then moved their headquarters to Dubai. You think that was not lost on the American People?

Iraq was and is a FUBAR. And the man that took us there on the basis of lies that he had a hand in fabricating should be standing before the Hague!

How much money have we spent in Africa over the years? what have we got?

 

[Shadow]

I can only assume you are middle class Willow so my question to you is when Obama enacts his middle class tax cuts, will you be returning that extra money to the government in protest? When and if health care costs are lowered and your premiums are lowered will you send the difference to Obama in protest?

I get being disgruntled. I was pretty disgrunted from 2000 - 11/4/08. I didn't feel Bush won the elections fair and square. But I certainly HOPED he'd prove himself to be an effective and capable President. and I never uttered the words "not my President"

If Obama isn't your President then move the hell out of this country until he leaves office. There are plenty of countries to choose from...Canada for one. they are run by conservatives... I'm sure you'd love it there.

Dems are soo funny. Will forever tout Bush stole the election in 2000. But don't have a problem with Obama stealing the primaries. Y'all speak with forked tongue.

 

[Old Rocks]

How much money have we spent in Africa over the years? what have we got?

We gave aid to Africa to the tune of 10 Billion in 2000 to 23 billion in 2006. More in point, what did the Africans get out of it? That is the measure of success or failure for such foriegn aid.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Even David Brooks the Conservative is singing his praises

David Brooks is many things, but a conservative is not one of them... again you idiots confuse "Americans" with those living in the GOP...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

When I first stated that Iraq was going to be a FUBAR, I was told to leave the country by numerous conservatives.

ROFL... No sis... you were told to shut the fuck up and sit down and let the Americans run the country.

Iraq is, as we told you it would be, a newly formed Democratic Republic, operating under its own constitution, now free from the stranglehold of the Progressive Hussein. Which is not the Progressive Hussein which the US will soon be strangled by... but that's another topic for another thread.

I was accused of a lack of patriotism.

False. Your views were antithetical to that which is known as loyalty and devotion to one's nation, thus they were smerely noting the absence of patriotism which you were demonstrating.

I will not tell you or anyone else that does not like Obama to do the same.

Exactly... But you're already known for being anti-American, so your support for Anti-Americans is perfectly understandable. Besides... We'd just tell ya to get bent anyway.

Rather, we are both Americans

You're a leftist sis; and there are NO LEFTIST AMERICANS... as such is an ideological impossibility.

, so consider the results of Obama's policies, and if they actually work,

Hussein's promised policies, will "WORK" if by "WORK" you mean the regression of economic growth and the usurpation of individual liberty... other than that, there is not even the slightest POTENTIAL for success where success is defined as "ECONOMIC GROWTH BORN OF THE MEANS OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO FREELY EXCHANGE GOODS ANS SERVICES TO THE MUTUAL BENEFIT OF BOTH PARTIES..."

be honest enough to say so.

Count on it...

Oppose them now, if you wish.

Count on it...

If they fail

Count on it...

be American enough to admit it.

An American can only be an American sis... it is what we are...

 

[WillowTree]

We gave aid to Africa to the tune of 10 Billion in 2000 to 23 billion in 2006. More in point, what did the Africans get out of it? That is the measure of success or failure for such foriegn aid.

what did we get out of it? except sneers and jeers??? they are still failures just like Iraq.

 

[DiveCon]

what did we get out of it? except sneers and jeers??? they are still failures just like Iraq.

uh, Iraq is not a failure
despite old rocks saying it is he is sadly misinformed

 

[DiveCon]

Good God! We have spent over half a trillion dollars, will probably total to between 2 and 3 trillion by the time all is paid for, and what have we got? Over 4000 dead Americans, no WMD, at least 500,000 dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqis in refugee status outside Iraq, at least that many in refugee status inside Iraq. Out of a population of 25 million. That is not a FUBAR?

What did we gain? Did we get Bin Laden? There was no Al Queda in Iraq prior to our invasion. Iraq had a thriving Christian population prior to the invasion, now almost all have left. Iraq is finally starting to pump out oil on it's own. To China. The influence of Iran has grown markedly in the region. Oh boy, that is real success! The only gainers in Iraq have been the corperations that have made billions on American and Iraqi blood. Like Haliburton, tens of billions in no bid contracts, and then moved their headquarters to Dubai. You think that was not lost on the American People?

Iraq was and is a FUBAR. And the man that took us there on the basis of lies that he had a hand in fabricating should be standing before the Hague!

you need to check your facts
you are completely missinformed
there are not 500k dead Iraqis
not even Iraq body count(which blindly uses every report the media covers) claims anywhere NEAR that amount, and they even stopped keeping track because of how few it had dropped to, they didnt have the numbers to make an issue out of it
stop believing the fucking liars in the media

 

[WillowTree]

uh, Iraq is not a failure
despite old rocks saying it is he is sadly misinformed

Dive,, Iraq ia a failure. Our soldiers did what was asked of them and then some. but as soon as they leave Iraq will revert right back to what it was and it won't even put up a fight.. in that sense it's a failure..

 

[bk1983]

you need to check your facts
you are completely missinformed
there are not 500k dead Iraqis
not even Iraq body count(which blindly uses every report the media covers) claims anywhere NEAR that amount, and they even stopped keeping track because of how few it had dropped to, they didnt have the numbers to make an issue out of it
stop believing the fucking liars in the media

Even Reagan pulled the troops out of Lebanon because he knew the US cannot reason and intervene in a raging civil and regional war. Just how does the US plan to facilitate an inclusive political process that will please the Sunni,Shia,and Kurds? Our government does not even have the ability to unite the right and left of this country, yet they can bring the Iraqi's together and establish a democracy?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Dive,, Iraq ia a failure.

IS it? Well if Iraq is a failure then you can show what the US stated intention was when it took on the task of liberating Iraq and show where the US failed to meet that goal.

Now as cloase as I can recall, the US invaded Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein from power....

Now IS Saddam Hussein still in power in Iraq? If he is, then I gotta say THAT IS A HAT TRICK! Because the US Hung HIS AS BY PROXY, JUST LIKE HE ATTACKED THE US BY PROXY SO MANY TIMES OVER THE PREVIOUS 30 years...

So until you can show evidence that Iraq is being governed by Saddam Hussein, the conclusion is THAT ELEMENT OF THE IRAQI LIBERATION IS A SUCCESS!

Secondly the US Goal after removing Hussein and his BAATHE SOCIALIST government and preventing them from funding, training, arming and otherwise assisting international terrorism... was to provide for the Iraqi people to hold elections for the purposes of electing an interim government... then that government would create a constitution, which would design a formal government and elections would be held to build that Iraq designed and elected government...

ALL DONE!

SO until you can show evidence that the Iraqis didn't elect an interim government, a formal government and create it own constitution... THAT IS A SUCCESS...

Now where is the FAILURE? I know you like to think of yourself as an American... who just thinks the US should have let the powers behind 9-11 and the DECADES OF ATTACKS ON THE US by Islamic proxies... But I am sick to death of your pro-terrorist fucks and its time you started GETTIGN SPECIFIC!

WHERE DID THE US FAIL IN IRAQ? GET SPECIFIC OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!

 

[DiveCon]

Even Reagan pulled the troops out of Lebanon because he knew the US cannot reason and intervene in a raging civil and regional war. Just how does the US plan to facilitate an inclusive political process that will please the Sunni,Shia,and Kurds? Our government does not even have the ability to unite the right and left of this country, yet they can bring the Iraqi's together and establish a democracy?

wrong, Reagan pulled the troops out of Lebanon for 2 reasons, #1 was because that was the general feeling of the country at the time, and #2 was congress had already pulled funding for them to be there
however, i would hardly call it a "cut & run" like you so mindlessly did
the USS New Jersey was still over there and i think if you actually look up the facts, they pounded the SHIT outta the bekka valley

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

wrong, Reagan pulled the troops out of Lebanon for 2 reasons, #1 was because that was the general feeling of the country at the time, and #2 was congress had already pulled funding for them to be there
however, i would hardly call it a "cut & run" like you so mindlessly did
the USS New Jersey was still over there and i think if you actually look up the facts, they pounded the SHIT outta the bekka valley

Yes... that's exactly correct. Reagan did not cut, nor did he run, the Leftists in congress cut and left Reagan no choice but to pull the troops. That was merely one of the earlier pro-terrorist US Democrats moves... which lead in large measure to 9-11.

 

[Old Rocks]

Publius, We invaded Iraq on the basis of non-existant WMD that Bush knew was not there. And Willow is correct. When we pull out, it will go back to being exactly the same. That is not success. Success in modern Japan. Modern Germany.

 

[DiveCon]

Publius, We invaded Iraq on the basis of non-existant WMD that Bush knew was not there. And Willow is correct. When we pull out, it will go back to being exactly the same. That is not success. Success in modern Japan. Modern Germany.

first off, there were some there, just not the stockpiles we expected, next prove Bush knew this