Jesus: Why is He so offensive to others?

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Because God the Father and Jesus will not coddle you in your sins.

So, is there a trinity in your god view?

The Latter-day Saint view of God is that there are three personages in the godhead. They are separate and distinct personages each with their own spirit. God the Father and Jesus Christ have each their own bodies of flesh and bones which house their spirits. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit only and does not have a body. The term God usually refers to God the Father, however, it is also used to represent Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Jesus and the Holy Ghost's will is to do the will of the Father. All three members of the godhead are one in purpose and will. We do not use the word trinity to describe the godhead.

Our Bible dictionary has the following on God:

God
The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23).

When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are His children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament as Lord (in small capitals), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with Him. All mankind are His brethren and sisters, He being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by the Lord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc.

Although God created all things and is the ruler of the universe, being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (through His Spirit), mankind has a special relationship to Him that differentiates man from all other created things: man is literally God’s offspring, made in His image, whereas all other things are but the work of His hands (Acts 17:28–29).

The God of the scriptures is a holy being. Man is commanded to be holy because God is holy (Lev. 11:44–45; 19:2). God can be known only by revelation. He must be revealed or remain forever unknown (Mosiah 4:9). God first revealed Himself to Adam (Moses 5–6) and has repeatedly made Himself known by revelation to chosen patriarchs and prophets since that time. The present translation of John 1:18 and 1 Jn. 4:12 is misleading, for these say that no man has ever seen God. However, the scriptures state that there have been many who have seen Him. The JST corrects these items to show that no one has seen God except through faith and also that Jesus Christ is the only Way to God (JST John 1:19 [Appendix or John 1:18 note c]; JST 1 Jn. 4:12 [1 Jn. 4:12 note a]). God the Father and His Son have been manifested by voice, sight, or otherwise at various times, as at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16–17), the Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1–8), to Stephen (Acts 7:55–56), and to the Nephites (3 Ne. 11:7). The Father and the Son personally visited Joseph Smith in the Sacred Grove in the spring of 1820 near Manchester, New York, in the opening of the dispensation of the fulness of times (JS—H 1:11–20).

Does your god have a wife?

Yes. We believe God, through the law of eternal marriage, has a wife.

Marriage
Among the Israelites, marriage was usually preceded by a formal act of betrothal, such a contract, when once entered on, being regarded as absolutely binding. On the marriage day, the bride was escorted to her husband’s home by a procession consisting of her own companions and the “friends of the bridegroom,” or “children of the bride-chamber,” some carrying torches and others myrtle branches and chaplets of flowers. When she reached the house, words such as “Take her according to the law of Moses and of Israel” were spoken, the pair were crowned with garlands, and a marriage deed was signed. After the prescribed washing of hands and benediction, the marriage supper was held. For a year after marriage a man was released from all military service. The gospel law of marriage is partially given in Matt. 19:4–9; Mark 10:2–12; Rom. 7:2; 1 Cor. 7. Its meaning, as symbolizing the union between Christ and the Church, is explained in Eph. 5:22–32.

Latter-day revelation tells us that marriage under the law of the gospel and the holy priesthood is for eternity and that men and women thus sealed in marriage continue to have children throughout eternity. Although this concept of marriage is not fully presented in our present Bible, traces of it are found in Matt. 16:16–19; 19:3–8; 22:23–30; and Moses 4:18. However, the fullest explanation is found in D&C 132.

Well, of course we disagree. Are you familiar with the first chapter of Galatians, even if an angel delivers a different Gospel than Paul preached, let him be accursed. I believe the Bible to be the complete Word of God. Doesn't Mormonism also teach there are other gods with other planets? This seems to contradict the Bible. If mormonism is true, then the Bible is a lie. We believe there is one God, the Creator of everything.

In the Old Testament we learn that the children of God are considered gods by God himself:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

In the New Testament Jesus refers to this concept when confronted by the Jews and accused of blasphemy for saying he was the Son of God:

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Paul himself taught that there are other gods:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things thatare offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What this verse means is that even thought there are those who are called gods (for Jesus himself said that we are gods), to us on this earth there is but one God who is the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his children and who their God is. As Paul stated above:

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

It is the purpose and will of God that he raise his children to be the best that they can be. Thus we have the following statements in scripture:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

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So, is there a trinity in your god view?

The Latter-day Saint view of God is that there are three personages in the godhead. They are separate and distinct personages each with their own spirit. God the Father and Jesus Christ have each their own bodies of flesh and bones which house their spirits. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit only and does not have a body. The term God usually refers to God the Father, however, it is also used to represent Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Jesus and the Holy Ghost's will is to do the will of the Father. All three members of the godhead are one in purpose and will. We do not use the word trinity to describe the godhead.

Our Bible dictionary has the following on God:

God
The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23).

When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are His children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament as Lord (in small capitals), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with Him. All mankind are His brethren and sisters, He being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by the Lord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc.

Although God created all things and is the ruler of the universe, being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (through His Spirit), mankind has a special relationship to Him that differentiates man from all other created things: man is literally God’s offspring, made in His image, whereas all other things are but the work of His hands (Acts 17:28–29).

The God of the scriptures is a holy being. Man is commanded to be holy because God is holy (Lev. 11:44–45; 19:2). God can be known only by revelation. He must be revealed or remain forever unknown (Mosiah 4:9). God first revealed Himself to Adam (Moses 5–6) and has repeatedly made Himself known by revelation to chosen patriarchs and prophets since that time. The present translation of John 1:18 and 1 Jn. 4:12 is misleading, for these say that no man has ever seen God. However, the scriptures state that there have been many who have seen Him. The JST corrects these items to show that no one has seen God except through faith and also that Jesus Christ is the only Way to God (JST John 1:19 [Appendix or John 1:18 note c]; JST 1 Jn. 4:12 [1 Jn. 4:12 note a]). God the Father and His Son have been manifested by voice, sight, or otherwise at various times, as at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16–17), the Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1–8), to Stephen (Acts 7:55–56), and to the Nephites (3 Ne. 11:7). The Father and the Son personally visited Joseph Smith in the Sacred Grove in the spring of 1820 near Manchester, New York, in the opening of the dispensation of the fulness of times (JS—H 1:11–20).

Does your god have a wife?

Yes. We believe God, through the law of eternal marriage, has a wife.

Marriage
Among the Israelites, marriage was usually preceded by a formal act of betrothal, such a contract, when once entered on, being regarded as absolutely binding. On the marriage day, the bride was escorted to her husband’s home by a procession consisting of her own companions and the “friends of the bridegroom,” or “children of the bride-chamber,” some carrying torches and others myrtle branches and chaplets of flowers. When she reached the house, words such as “Take her according to the law of Moses and of Israel” were spoken, the pair were crowned with garlands, and a marriage deed was signed. After the prescribed washing of hands and benediction, the marriage supper was held. For a year after marriage a man was released from all military service. The gospel law of marriage is partially given in Matt. 19:4–9; Mark 10:2–12; Rom. 7:2; 1 Cor. 7. Its meaning, as symbolizing the union between Christ and the Church, is explained in Eph. 5:22–32.

Latter-day revelation tells us that marriage under the law of the gospel and the holy priesthood is for eternity and that men and women thus sealed in marriage continue to have children throughout eternity. Although this concept of marriage is not fully presented in our present Bible, traces of it are found in Matt. 16:16–19; 19:3–8; 22:23–30; and Moses 4:18. However, the fullest explanation is found in D&C 132.

Well, of course we disagree. Are you familiar with the first chapter of Galatians, even if an angel delivers a different Gospel than Paul preached, let him be accursed. I believe the Bible to be the complete Word of God. Doesn't Mormonism also teach there are other gods with other planets? This seems to contradict the Bible. If mormonism is true, then the Bible is a lie. We believe there is one God, the Creator of everything.

In the Old Testament we learn that the children of God are considered gods by God himself:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

In the New Testament Jesus refers to this concept when confronted by the Jews and accused of blasphemy for saying he was the Son of God:

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Paul himself taught that there are other gods:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things thatare offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What this verse means is that even thought there are those who are called gods (for Jesus himself said that we are gods), to us on this earth there is but one God who is the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his children and who their God is. As Paul stated above:

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

It is the purpose and will of God that he raise his children to be the best that they can be. Thus we have the following statements in scripture:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Those verses are not referring to believers as God in the same manner as the One true God, Creator. They are referring to judges and heavenly servants, angels. That's really messing with Scripture. Serious business.

When I see Jesus I will be like Him in a glorified body. I won't be God.

Check this out.
Contradictions Between the Book of Mormon and the Bible

 

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The Latter-day Saint view of God is that there are three personages in the godhead. They are separate and distinct personages each with their own spirit. God the Father and Jesus Christ have each their own bodies of flesh and bones which house their spirits. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit only and does not have a body. The term God usually refers to God the Father, however, it is also used to represent Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Jesus and the Holy Ghost's will is to do the will of the Father. All three members of the godhead are one in purpose and will. We do not use the word trinity to describe the godhead.

Our Bible dictionary has the following on God:

God
The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23).

When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are His children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament as Lord (in small capitals), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with Him. All mankind are His brethren and sisters, He being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by the Lord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc.

Although God created all things and is the ruler of the universe, being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (through His Spirit), mankind has a special relationship to Him that differentiates man from all other created things: man is literally God’s offspring, made in His image, whereas all other things are but the work of His hands (Acts 17:28–29).

The God of the scriptures is a holy being. Man is commanded to be holy because God is holy (Lev. 11:44–45; 19:2). God can be known only by revelation. He must be revealed or remain forever unknown (Mosiah 4:9). God first revealed Himself to Adam (Moses 5–6) and has repeatedly made Himself known by revelation to chosen patriarchs and prophets since that time. The present translation of John 1:18 and 1 Jn. 4:12 is misleading, for these say that no man has ever seen God. However, the scriptures state that there have been many who have seen Him. The JST corrects these items to show that no one has seen God except through faith and also that Jesus Christ is the only Way to God (JST John 1:19 [Appendix or John 1:18 note c]; JST 1 Jn. 4:12 [1 Jn. 4:12 note a]). God the Father and His Son have been manifested by voice, sight, or otherwise at various times, as at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16–17), the Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1–8), to Stephen (Acts 7:55–56), and to the Nephites (3 Ne. 11:7). The Father and the Son personally visited Joseph Smith in the Sacred Grove in the spring of 1820 near Manchester, New York, in the opening of the dispensation of the fulness of times (JS—H 1:11–20).

Does your god have a wife?

Yes. We believe God, through the law of eternal marriage, has a wife.

Marriage
Among the Israelites, marriage was usually preceded by a formal act of betrothal, such a contract, when once entered on, being regarded as absolutely binding. On the marriage day, the bride was escorted to her husband’s home by a procession consisting of her own companions and the “friends of the bridegroom,” or “children of the bride-chamber,” some carrying torches and others myrtle branches and chaplets of flowers. When she reached the house, words such as “Take her according to the law of Moses and of Israel” were spoken, the pair were crowned with garlands, and a marriage deed was signed. After the prescribed washing of hands and benediction, the marriage supper was held. For a year after marriage a man was released from all military service. The gospel law of marriage is partially given in Matt. 19:4–9; Mark 10:2–12; Rom. 7:2; 1 Cor. 7. Its meaning, as symbolizing the union between Christ and the Church, is explained in Eph. 5:22–32.

Latter-day revelation tells us that marriage under the law of the gospel and the holy priesthood is for eternity and that men and women thus sealed in marriage continue to have children throughout eternity. Although this concept of marriage is not fully presented in our present Bible, traces of it are found in Matt. 16:16–19; 19:3–8; 22:23–30; and Moses 4:18. However, the fullest explanation is found in D&C 132.

Well, of course we disagree. Are you familiar with the first chapter of Galatians, even if an angel delivers a different Gospel than Paul preached, let him be accursed. I believe the Bible to be the complete Word of God. Doesn't Mormonism also teach there are other gods with other planets? This seems to contradict the Bible. If mormonism is true, then the Bible is a lie. We believe there is one God, the Creator of everything.

In the Old Testament we learn that the children of God are considered gods by God himself:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

In the New Testament Jesus refers to this concept when confronted by the Jews and accused of blasphemy for saying he was the Son of God:

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Paul himself taught that there are other gods:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things thatare offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What this verse means is that even thought there are those who are called gods (for Jesus himself said that we are gods), to us on this earth there is but one God who is the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his children and who their God is. As Paul stated above:

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

It is the purpose and will of God that he raise his children to be the best that they can be. Thus we have the following statements in scripture:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Those verses are not referring to believers as God in the same manner as the One true God, Creator. They are referring to judges and heavenly servants, angels. That's really messing with Scripture. Serious business.

When I see Jesus I will be like Him in a glorified body. I won't be God.

Check this out.
Contradictions Between the Book of Mormon and the Bible

I think those who came out with the judges argument are the ones who are really messing with scripture. It makes the scriptures without meaning. Lets take another look at John 10 and insert the word, judges for the word, god and see if that makes any sense to you:

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are JUDGES?
35 If he called them JUDGES, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The word judges renders this verse absurd. When Jesus used the word gods in the above verse he meant gods. The translators of the King James version got this right. The word gods in verse 34 is from the Greek theoi and in verse 35 it is theous. These words mean god or gods and not judges. Now when Jesus said, "and the scipture cannot be broken", what verse do you think in the old testament he was referring to when making this statement? Psalms 82:6 is the one that fits. Thus it had to have meant, gods as well.

 

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Does your god have a wife?

Yes. We believe God, through the law of eternal marriage, has a wife.

Marriage
Among the Israelites, marriage was usually preceded by a formal act of betrothal, such a contract, when once entered on, being regarded as absolutely binding. On the marriage day, the bride was escorted to her husband’s home by a procession consisting of her own companions and the “friends of the bridegroom,” or “children of the bride-chamber,” some carrying torches and others myrtle branches and chaplets of flowers. When she reached the house, words such as “Take her according to the law of Moses and of Israel” were spoken, the pair were crowned with garlands, and a marriage deed was signed. After the prescribed washing of hands and benediction, the marriage supper was held. For a year after marriage a man was released from all military service. The gospel law of marriage is partially given in Matt. 19:4–9; Mark 10:2–12; Rom. 7:2; 1 Cor. 7. Its meaning, as symbolizing the union between Christ and the Church, is explained in Eph. 5:22–32.

Latter-day revelation tells us that marriage under the law of the gospel and the holy priesthood is for eternity and that men and women thus sealed in marriage continue to have children throughout eternity. Although this concept of marriage is not fully presented in our present Bible, traces of it are found in Matt. 16:16–19; 19:3–8; 22:23–30; and Moses 4:18. However, the fullest explanation is found in D&C 132.

Well, of course we disagree. Are you familiar with the first chapter of Galatians, even if an angel delivers a different Gospel than Paul preached, let him be accursed. I believe the Bible to be the complete Word of God. Doesn't Mormonism also teach there are other gods with other planets? This seems to contradict the Bible. If mormonism is true, then the Bible is a lie. We believe there is one God, the Creator of everything.

In the Old Testament we learn that the children of God are considered gods by God himself:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

In the New Testament Jesus refers to this concept when confronted by the Jews and accused of blasphemy for saying he was the Son of God:

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Paul himself taught that there are other gods:

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things thatare offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What this verse means is that even thought there are those who are called gods (for Jesus himself said that we are gods), to us on this earth there is but one God who is the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his children and who their God is. As Paul stated above:

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

It is the purpose and will of God that he raise his children to be the best that they can be. Thus we have the following statements in scripture:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Those verses are not referring to believers as God in the same manner as the One true God, Creator. They are referring to judges and heavenly servants, angels. That's really messing with Scripture. Serious business.

When I see Jesus I will be like Him in a glorified body. I won't be God.

Check this out.
Contradictions Between the Book of Mormon and the Bible

I think those who came out with the judges argument are the ones who are really messing with scripture. It makes the scriptures without meaning. Lets take another look at John 10 and insert the word, judges for the word, god and see if that makes any sense to you:

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are JUDGES?
35 If he called them JUDGES, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The word judges renders this verse absurd. When Jesus used the word gods in the above verse he meant gods. The translators of the King James version got this right. The word gods in verse 34 is from the Greek theoi and in verse 35 it is theous. These words mean god or gods and not judges. Now when Jesus said, "and the scipture cannot be broken", what verse do you think in the old testament he was referring to when making this statement? Psalms 82:6 is the one that fits. Thus it had to have meant, gods as well.

Jesus most certainly didn't mean God in the same sense as the One true God, Creator of the Universe. The Bible says throughout that there is ONE God. If these verses mean what Mormonism claims, then the Bible is a lie.

Do you believe that the Father God was a man at one time?

 

[onefour1]

When God uses the term "One true God" or "there is no other God beside me", etc. He is referring to our (we his children on this earth) relationship with him. Like I said in post #421:

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his relationship with his children and who their God is. As Paul stated:

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

On this earth there are many beings each with their own father. Those who are the children of a particular father only recognize that one being as their father. It is the same with God. To us who are his children, there is no other God beside him. He is our one true God. That is the context with all of us on this earth or in the kingdom of our God. We are his children, the literal spirit offspring of God the Father.

Acts 17:27-29
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The offspring of a God is a god. This is what Psalms 82:6 tells us:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

This does not mean that we have reached the spiritual height of the character of God the Father yet. We are not yet perfected in all the attributes that make a god a God. We need to spiritually learn and grow to become like Him. Unfortunately, there are few that will attain this level of progression.

Matthew 7:14
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

God has commanded us to be perfect even as he is perfect:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Would God give us such a commandment if it were not possible for us to fulfill that commandment? Would it be fair to us if it were not possible? Would it not be deceiving if it were not possible? He is not just telling us to be perfect but to be perfect even as He is perfect. Would God give us a commandment knowing full well that we could never fulfill that commandment? If we were to fulfill this commandment, would we not be just as God is? It is the will of God that we become like him. It is his will that little gods grow up to become big Gods. God has provided a way for us to reach our full potential and become one even as Jesus is one with the Father:

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I not only believe that God the Father was a man but that he is still a man. I believe that Jesus and all the rest of us were created in his image and likeness. He is the Man of Holiness. He is an exalted man who is the Father of our spirits who learned and progressed to become such. He is the only God with whom we have anything to do.

 

[Taz]

When God uses the term "One true God" or "there is no other God beside me", etc. He is referring to our (we his children on this earth) relationship with him. Like I said in post #421:

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his relationship with his children and who their God is. As Paul stated:

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

On this earth there are many beings each with their own father. Those who are the children of a particular father only recognize that one being as their father. It is the same with God. To us who are his children, there is no other God beside him. He is our one true God. That is the context with all of us on this earth or in the kingdom of our God. We are his children, the literal spirit offspring of God the Father.

Acts 17:27-29
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The offspring of a God is a god. This is what Psalms 82:6 tells us:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

This does not mean that we have reached the spiritual height of the character of God the Father yet. We are not yet perfected in all the attributes that make a god a God. We need to spiritually learn and grow to become like Him. Unfortunately, there are few that will attain this level of progression.

Matthew 7:14
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

God has commanded us to perfect even as he is perfect:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Would God give us such a commandment if it were not possible for us to fulfill that commandment? Would it be fair to us if it were not possible? Would it not be deceiving if it were not possible? He is not just telling us to be perfect but to be perfect even as He is perfect. Would God give us a commandment knowing full well that we could never fulfill that commandment? If we were to fulfill this commandment, would we not be just as God is? It is the will of God that we become like him. It is his will that little gods grow up to become big Gods. God has provided a way for us to reach our full potential and become one even as Jesus is one with the Father:

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I not only believe that God the Father was a man but that he is still a man. I believe that Jesus and all the rest of us were created in his image and likeness. He is the Man of Holiness. He is an exalted man who is the Father of our spirits who learned and progressed to become such. He is the only God with whom we have anythings to do.

Didn't Moses write the first 5 books of the bible, not god?

 

[onefour1]

Under the inspiration of the Almighty.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Under the inspiration of the Almighty.

And you know that....how?

 

[onefour1]

Through the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Through the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Uh....what? A magical spirit divined this information to you? Is that what you are claiming?

 

[ding]

When God uses the term "One true God" or "there is no other God beside me", etc. He is referring to our (we his children on this earth) relationship with him. Like I said in post #421:

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his relationship with his children and who their God is. As Paul stated:

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

On this earth there are many beings each with their own father. Those who are the children of a particular father only recognize that one being as their father. It is the same with God. To us who are his children, there is no other God beside him. He is our one true God. That is the context with all of us on this earth or in the kingdom of our God. We are his children, the literal spirit offspring of God the Father.

Acts 17:27-29
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The offspring of a God is a god. This is what Psalms 82:6 tells us:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

This does not mean that we have reached the spiritual height of the character of God the Father yet. We are not yet perfected in all the attributes that make a god a God. We need to spiritually learn and grow to become like Him. Unfortunately, there are few that will attain this level of progression.

Matthew 7:14
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

God has commanded us to perfect even as he is perfect:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Would God give us such a commandment if it were not possible for us to fulfill that commandment? Would it be fair to us if it were not possible? Would it not be deceiving if it were not possible? He is not just telling us to be perfect but to be perfect even as He is perfect. Would God give us a commandment knowing full well that we could never fulfill that commandment? If we were to fulfill this commandment, would we not be just as God is? It is the will of God that we become like him. It is his will that little gods grow up to become big Gods. God has provided a way for us to reach our full potential and become one even as Jesus is one with the Father:

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I not only believe that God the Father was a man but that he is still a man. I believe that Jesus and all the rest of us were created in his image and likeness. He is the Man of Holiness. He is an exalted man who is the Father of our spirits who learned and progressed to become such. He is the only God with whom we have anythings to do.

Didn't Moses write the first 5 books of the bible, not god?

The account predated Moses by at least 1500 years. Moses recorded it.

 

[Taz]

When God uses the term "One true God" or "there is no other God beside me", etc. He is referring to our (we his children on this earth) relationship with him. Like I said in post #421:

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his relationship with his children and who their God is. As Paul stated:

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

On this earth there are many beings each with their own father. Those who are the children of a particular father only recognize that one being as their father. It is the same with God. To us who are his children, there is no other God beside him. He is our one true God. That is the context with all of us on this earth or in the kingdom of our God. We are his children, the literal spirit offspring of God the Father.

Acts 17:27-29
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The offspring of a God is a god. This is what Psalms 82:6 tells us:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

This does not mean that we have reached the spiritual height of the character of God the Father yet. We are not yet perfected in all the attributes that make a god a God. We need to spiritually learn and grow to become like Him. Unfortunately, there are few that will attain this level of progression.

Matthew 7:14
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

God has commanded us to perfect even as he is perfect:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Would God give us such a commandment if it were not possible for us to fulfill that commandment? Would it be fair to us if it were not possible? Would it not be deceiving if it were not possible? He is not just telling us to be perfect but to be perfect even as He is perfect. Would God give us a commandment knowing full well that we could never fulfill that commandment? If we were to fulfill this commandment, would we not be just as God is? It is the will of God that we become like him. It is his will that little gods grow up to become big Gods. God has provided a way for us to reach our full potential and become one even as Jesus is one with the Father:

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I not only believe that God the Father was a man but that he is still a man. I believe that Jesus and all the rest of us were created in his image and likeness. He is the Man of Holiness. He is an exalted man who is the Father of our spirits who learned and progressed to become such. He is the only God with whom we have anythings to do.

Didn't Moses write the first 5 books of the bible, not god?

The account predated Moses by at least 1500 years. Moses recorded it.

So not god inspired? That’s what I thought.

 

[ding]

When God uses the term "One true God" or "there is no other God beside me", etc. He is referring to our (we his children on this earth) relationship with him. Like I said in post #421:

On this earth there are many fathers, yet each of us only recognizes one as our own father. It is the same in heaven. God is the god and father of all his children. To his children there is but one God though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). God is the god of his spirit children and the God over all his creations. When God says that there are no other Gods beside him, he is referring to his relationship with his children and who their God is. As Paul stated:

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

On this earth there are many beings each with their own father. Those who are the children of a particular father only recognize that one being as their father. It is the same with God. To us who are his children, there is no other God beside him. He is our one true God. That is the context with all of us on this earth or in the kingdom of our God. We are his children, the literal spirit offspring of God the Father.

Acts 17:27-29
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The offspring of a God is a god. This is what Psalms 82:6 tells us:

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

This does not mean that we have reached the spiritual height of the character of God the Father yet. We are not yet perfected in all the attributes that make a god a God. We need to spiritually learn and grow to become like Him. Unfortunately, there are few that will attain this level of progression.

Matthew 7:14
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

God has commanded us to perfect even as he is perfect:

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Would God give us such a commandment if it were not possible for us to fulfill that commandment? Would it be fair to us if it were not possible? Would it not be deceiving if it were not possible? He is not just telling us to be perfect but to be perfect even as He is perfect. Would God give us a commandment knowing full well that we could never fulfill that commandment? If we were to fulfill this commandment, would we not be just as God is? It is the will of God that we become like him. It is his will that little gods grow up to become big Gods. God has provided a way for us to reach our full potential and become one even as Jesus is one with the Father:

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I not only believe that God the Father was a man but that he is still a man. I believe that Jesus and all the rest of us were created in his image and likeness. He is the Man of Holiness. He is an exalted man who is the Father of our spirits who learned and progressed to become such. He is the only God with whom we have anythings to do.

Didn't Moses write the first 5 books of the bible, not god?

The account predated Moses by at least 1500 years. Moses recorded it.

So not god inspired? That’s what I thought.

That's an interesting conclusion.

 

[Moonglow]

Well if God inspired it it seems to be lacking in technical terms and phrases...

 

[Taz]

Jesus isn’t offensive to me, it’s all those damn idiots that follow him that are.

 

[ding]

Jesus isn’t offensive to me, it’s all those damn idiots that follow him that are.

Is that why you are in a religious forum?

 

[Taz]

Jesus isn’t offensive to me, it’s all those damn idiots that follow him that are.

Is that why you are in a religious forum?

For the laughs.

 

[ding]

Jesus isn’t offensive to me, it’s all those damn idiots that follow him that are.

Is that why you are in a religious forum?

For the laughs.

Militant atheists aren't that funny.

 

[Taz]

Jesus isn’t offensive to me, it’s all those damn idiots that follow him that are.

Is that why you are in a religious forum?

For the laughs.

Militant atheists aren't that funny.

But you guys are.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A while ago, it was OK to say God, but not Jesus.

Of course now, even God is frowned up. But it seems the name Jesus really riles people up. Many of those that are not believers of particularly the Christian faith seem to want to mock it and be sacrilegious

You see it everywhere, with celebrities, in music.

So, why do you think particularly Jesus, and Christianity in general, gets people so worked up?

A truly ignorant and ridiculous thread premise.

It’s always ‘OK’ to say either, and no one ‘frowns’ on saying other.

What’s offensive is the hypocrisy common to far too many Christians, and Christians’ failure to follow the teachings of their Christ.