How is Romney Different Than Bush?

[Listening]

Like Jesse James, I know a lot of small business owners who made their fortunes selling their products and services to highly paid union workers.

And how many Jesse James' are out there? A lot more people in the middle class got there by having a good paying union job. Your way, only the inventor or business owner makes a good living. If he just stays working for Boyd Coddington, he never gets ahead. Unless they pay their employees well and if so, that's because unions brought up the wages of all working Americans.

You would have never made it into the top 1% if we did things Ron Paul's way. For many reasons. No Degree? You work for someone else?

And you would be doing what your grandfather did. Either that or get someone else to let you be their apprentice. So you would probably fall into the small merchantile class.

Most Americans would fall into the large working poor class if it weren't for liberal progressive democracy. I would think most Republicans think they would never fall into the last catagory but I have to say many of them are wrong.

I hold a job that most people with advanced degrees salavate over. I grossed nearly 200,000 last year. I can and probably will be starting a consulting business soon and it will eclipse the numbers brought in by my salary / bonus. I have learned a skill, worked hard and leveraged my people skills to create relationships that have allowed me to advance in my career.

You claim high paid union workers buy goods... Yeah.. Look at what liberal / union policies have done to Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, etc. etc. They're rotting cesspools... That's what progressive liberal policies get you.

I am not a pure Libertarian or a devout Ron Paul follower. I do believe however that our government has grown FAR outside it's boundaries and it needs to be scaled back dramatically.

As for your comments on our currency.. Sure it's a fiat currency.. The problem with your disregard for the debt is they are PRINTING currency which does what? That's right, DEVALUES IT... So if you have savings and investments that are substantial they are being devalued.. You are being robbed blind... Nice job buddy...

Zimbabwe anyone??? You do know about ZImbabwe right? I have actual ZImbabwe currency right here in my office.. One single bill, five hundred trillion zimbabwe dollars.. Shocking huh? It used to trade on par with the US Dollar in the 80's.. WHat happened?

LOL

Get a clue dude.

Hey I don't like the fiat currency any more than you do. But what especially sucks is that i the past 30 years the middle class hasn't gotten a raise and the rich have gotten 300 times richer.

No coincidence that in those same 30 years, union membership went from 35% of our workforce to 12%. No wonder the GOP hate and want to kill unions. And with it the middle class.

Liberal policies will spread that wealth out. Its not class warfare. Its doing what works for the country as a whole. Its doing what we did before Bush changed things. And what he did didn't work. And they were never supposed to be permanent. So why cry that they are ending? We've always had a progressive tax system and it doesn't matter that you are greedy and don't like to pay what 70% of us think is your fair share. You are greedy. But how dare you rich dudes change the system now that you are rich so that it benefits you but makes it harder for the rest of us?

Liberal policies will reward those who suppor them. Just ask GM. It is class warfare and it does not work for the coutnry as a whole.

GM, as part of that restructuring now pays it's entry level workers less than the comparable entry level job at a car factory in the south. Only union money and corruption in places like Detroit have inflated prices relative to other places. So the guy in the south has pretty good buying power.

We still have a progressive tax system. Nobody paid that 70% and all of you morons know it. So stop your crying about greed.

GM changed the rules, why can't others. You sound like Ted Kennedy (so glad he's gone).

 

[dblack]

I have been asking this and no one seems to be able to answer.

Romney is different from Bush in pretty much the same ways Obama is. He's slicker, a better public speaker and more personally ambitious. Don't see much else.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm so over partisan hacks. Just realize that there is a difference between ideology/philosophy and the two parties that spit out party mantra (ideology/philosophy), but then turn around and sell out the country and wipe there asses with the constitution. Everybody busy talking about the petty little partisan story of the week when the entire fabric of the law of the land is being destroyed by both parties. It enough to make me give up faith....Give me one compelling reason for why I should vote for either BO or Mitt....

You can imagine how happy this makes us liberals? Is this how excited the right is about Romney? I'm literally giggling right now thinking about how you guys can't even tell me the difference between Bush and Romney. But each of you are coming here and blowing a gasket. It's fucking priceless.

P.S. I agree with you. I was going to post to sublime that I could debate him on every thing he said, despite the fact he thinks he has just proven something with his reply. But it not worth the time. Just agree to disagree. I figure we will always have progressives and we will always have conservatives. My job is to educate people who don't follow politics as to what is going on and hope they see things my way. It is also a goal of mine to get more Americans to vote. I think there are a lot more people who agree with me out there but they don't show up to vote. The rabble. Surfs. Poor people. Even a lot of Middle class people don't vote. Fucking idiots.

They should give voters a tax break. Then people would show up.

 

[Listening]

They should give voters a tax break. Then people would show up.

In Obama's case, he'd only give it to the unions.

Always picking losers and (not to many) winners. Can you say Solyndra ?

 

[sealybobo]

I hold a job that most people with advanced degrees salavate over. I grossed nearly 200,000 last year. I can and probably will be starting a consulting business soon and it will eclipse the numbers brought in by my salary / bonus. I have learned a skill, worked hard and leveraged my people skills to create relationships that have allowed me to advance in my career.

You claim high paid union workers buy goods... Yeah.. Look at what liberal / union policies have done to Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, etc. etc. They're rotting cesspools... That's what progressive liberal policies get you.

I am not a pure Libertarian or a devout Ron Paul follower. I do believe however that our government has grown FAR outside it's boundaries and it needs to be scaled back dramatically.

As for your comments on our currency.. Sure it's a fiat currency.. The problem with your disregard for the debt is they are PRINTING currency which does what? That's right, DEVALUES IT... So if you have savings and investments that are substantial they are being devalued.. You are being robbed blind... Nice job buddy...

Zimbabwe anyone??? You do know about ZImbabwe right? I have actual ZImbabwe currency right here in my office.. One single bill, five hundred trillion zimbabwe dollars.. Shocking huh? It used to trade on par with the US Dollar in the 80's.. WHat happened?

LOL

Get a clue dude.

Hey I don't like the fiat currency any more than you do. But what especially sucks is that i the past 30 years the middle class hasn't gotten a raise and the rich have gotten 300 times richer.

No coincidence that in those same 30 years, union membership went from 35% of our workforce to 12%. No wonder the GOP hate and want to kill unions. And with it the middle class.

Liberal policies will spread that wealth out. Its not class warfare. Its doing what works for the country as a whole. Its doing what we did before Bush changed things. And what he did didn't work. And they were never supposed to be permanent. So why cry that they are ending? We've always had a progressive tax system and it doesn't matter that you are greedy and don't like to pay what 70% of us think is your fair share. You are greedy. But how dare you rich dudes change the system now that you are rich so that it benefits you but makes it harder for the rest of us?

Liberal policies will reward those who suppor them. Just ask GM. It is class warfare and it does not work for the coutnry as a whole.

GM, as part of that restructuring now pays it's entry level workers less than the comparable entry level job at a car factory in the south. Only union money and corruption in places like Detroit have inflated prices relative to other places. So the guy in the south has pretty good buying power.

We still have a progressive tax system. Nobody paid that 70% and all of you morons know it. So stop your crying about greed.

GM changed the rules, why can't others. You sound like Ted Kennedy (so glad he's gone).

We got his healthcare reform done. Too bad it was before he died. That was the coolest American First Family. Camelot. The Kennedys. That's why your boys killed both Bobby and JFK. They would have ruled for 16 years. That's why Obama has to play by the rules or else, just like Clinton. Either that or they Carter you ala Iran Contra.

I just love your right wing spin on unions and what happened with the Big 3. Sure the workers took concessions but so did management. And Michigan is coming back faster and stronger than anywhere down south.

Notice that Honda and Toyota almost went bust too? Even without unions? Whahappen? Could it have been that the economy tanked? Could it be that gas was $4.12 a gallon so no one was buying trucks and suv's?

And if you don't think those southern car companies aren't heavily subsodized by tax payers and given huge tax breaks, think again. Reverse socialism. Socialize the losses but privatize the profits.

 

[ThinkCritically]

I'm so over partisan hacks. Just realize that there is a difference between ideology/philosophy and the two parties that spit out party mantra (ideology/philosophy), but then turn around and sell out the country and wipe there asses with the constitution. Everybody busy talking about the petty little partisan story of the week when the entire fabric of the law of the land is being destroyed by both parties. It enough to make me give up faith....Give me one compelling reason for why I should vote for either BO or Mitt....

You can imagine how happy this makes us liberals? Is this how excited the right is about Romney? I'm literally giggling right now thinking about how you guys can't even tell me the difference between Bush and Romney. But each of you are coming here and blowing a gasket. It's fucking priceless.

P.S. I agree with you. I was going to post to sublime that I could debate him on every thing he said, despite the fact he thinks he has just proven something with his reply. But it not worth the time. Just agree to disagree. I figure we will always have progressives and we will always have conservatives. My job is to educate people who don't follow politics as to what is going on and hope they see things my way. It is also a goal of mine to get more Americans to vote. I think there are a lot more people who agree with me out there but they don't show up to vote. The rabble. Surfs. Poor people. Even a lot of Middle class people don't vote. Fucking idiots.

They should give voters a tax break. Then people would show up.

It makes liberals happy that both parties suck? What in the world?

 

[Oddball]

It makes liberals happy that both parties suck? What in the world?

It's sillybooboo....You get used to the kookiness after awhile.

 

[sealybobo]

They should give voters a tax break. Then people would show up.

In Obama's case, he'd only give it to the unions.

Always picking losers and (not to many) winners. Can you say Solyndra ?

Lets see. Give money to unions that represent middle class manufacturing workers or

Give it to defense contractors in Iraq.

And Solyndra is one of many "investments" the government makes when corporations won't. Do you understand why corporations won't take on the work? Because they don't see it as profitable. This is true with vaccines and the internet. If the government didn't invest in risky ideas that might work out but might not, we wouldn't have either.

When a righty brings up Solyndra I think they are dumb just like the ones who wouldn't shut up about ACORN.

 

[sealybobo]

It makes liberals happy that both parties suck? What in the world?

It's sillybooboo....You get used to the kookiness after awhile.

We need to take back the House so we don't have Paul Ryan and Boehner running the show. Then we'll show you which party is better.

But what sucks is the GOP obstruction that will start immediately next year when we control all three houses. Will Mitch McConnell break his current filabuster record? Will we have enough seats to get anything passed?

Will Blue Dog Democrats obstruct? Will Lieberman still be a Senator?

All that matters is that we control all three houses. I'll worry about the rest later. But we have to pressure them to do the right thing. It isn't enough to just vote. You have to call and tell them you want them to take on the Wallstreet Oil Speculators. You have to tell them that you want tariffs on corporations doing business overseas. You have to tell them not to give the rich any more tax breaks.

 

[Avatar4321]

Not really surprised that sealy is too busy arguing with himself to respond to any of the answers to his question.

Did I call it when I said he didnt really want the answer or what?

 

[sublime]

Like Jesse James, I know a lot of small business owners who made their fortunes selling their products and services to highly paid union workers.

And how many Jesse James' are out there? A lot more people in the middle class got there by having a good paying union job. Your way, only the inventor or business owner makes a good living. If he just stays working for Boyd Coddington, he never gets ahead. Unless they pay their employees well and if so, that's because unions brought up the wages of all working Americans.

You would have never made it into the top 1% if we did things Ron Paul's way. For many reasons. No Degree? You work for someone else?

And you would be doing what your grandfather did. Either that or get someone else to let you be their apprentice. So you would probably fall into the small merchantile class.

Most Americans would fall into the large working poor class if it weren't for liberal progressive democracy. I would think most Republicans think they would never fall into the last catagory but I have to say many of them are wrong.

I hold a job that most people with advanced degrees salavate over. I grossed nearly 200,000 last year. I can and probably will be starting a consulting business soon and it will eclipse the numbers brought in by my salary / bonus. I have learned a skill, worked hard and leveraged my people skills to create relationships that have allowed me to advance in my career.

You claim high paid union workers buy goods... Yeah.. Look at what liberal / union policies have done to Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, etc. etc. They're rotting cesspools... That's what progressive liberal policies get you.

I am not a pure Libertarian or a devout Ron Paul follower. I do believe however that our government has grown FAR outside it's boundaries and it needs to be scaled back dramatically.

As for your comments on our currency.. Sure it's a fiat currency.. The problem with your disregard for the debt is they are PRINTING currency which does what? That's right, DEVALUES IT... So if you have savings and investments that are substantial they are being devalued.. You are being robbed blind... Nice job buddy...

Zimbabwe anyone??? You do know about ZImbabwe right? I have actual ZImbabwe currency right here in my office.. One single bill, five hundred trillion zimbabwe dollars.. Shocking huh? It used to trade on par with the US Dollar in the 80's.. WHat happened?

LOL

Get a clue dude.

Hey I don't like the fiat currency any more than you do. But what especially sucks is that i the past 30 years the middle class hasn't gotten a raise and the rich have gotten 300 times richer.

No coincidence that in those same 30 years, union membership went from 35% of our workforce to 12%. No wonder the GOP hate and want to kill unions. And with it the middle class.

Liberal policies will spread that wealth out. Its not class warfare. Its doing what works for the country as a whole. Its doing what we did before Bush changed things. And what he did didn't work. And they were never supposed to be permanent. So why cry that they are ending? We've always had a progressive tax system and it doesn't matter that you are greedy and don't like to pay what 70% of us think is your fair share. You are greedy. But how dare you rich dudes change the system now that you are rich so that it benefits you but makes it harder for the rest of us?

LOL.. Funny you think I am rich???? LMFAO....

Do you live in the Kalifornia Bay Area??? That's just starting to live decent here man. Yet you want to tax me more. 70% I wont work nearly as hard if I am going to be taxed at that rate. Sorry just don't see the point to bust your @ss as hard as I do just to cough up more than 2/3's of my income. Does that make me greedy? Maybe it does.. But it's a motivator for me to try to earn more and more. What happens when you take the motivation away from society? I guarantee you don't work more hours that I do in a week. At least I enjoy my work.

 

[sealybobo]

Not really surprised that sealy is too busy arguing with himself to respond to any of the answers to his question.

Did I call it when I said he didnt really want the answer or what?

I moved on because 4 pages in and no one was able to do it. Did you list some differences? While I go look, check this out. Remember this? Remember the GOP tried to make a story out of this Georgia/Russia incident? What would McCain have done? Went to war with Russia?

Senator McCain responded with blustery statements stressing Russian aggression and the need to defend Georgia, while Senator Obama has emphasized these points, but also stressed the need for partnership with Europe on this issue.

McCain attacked Obama for being soft on the Russians and being "bizarrely in synch with Moscow". Red baiting like that is almost quaint, but unfortunately McCain was being serious.

I was thinking about all the stories you guys keep manufacturing in hopes that it will stick with the media/public.

 

[sealybobo]

amazing how free speech threatens you sealy. You really need to get over it. The politicians tried to prohibit people from running ads against them during an election and the Supreme Court upheld the Constitution.

The Constitution is here to stay. Get used to it.

Corporations are not people and money is not speech. The fact that you don't understand that and then talk about the constitution is absolutely laughable. Goodnight stupid.

 

[sealybobo]

You know, for someone who kept claiming that Bush was a failure at everything he did, I would think it would be obvious how Romney, someone who has been completely successful at almost everything he has done, is different than Bush.

But let's be honest here. You don't really want an answer. You just want to try to spread propaganda to convince unsuspecting people that Romney and Bush as the same while completely ignoring the fact that Obama has kept many of Bush's crappy policies and added just about 100 Times more debt, inflation, corruption, and more bad policies.

Oh and for a more policy issue, when did Bush ever balance a Budget? Romney has done it throughout his life. But at least Bush submitted budgets.

This is your answer? Sorry I missed it. So you admit that Bush was a complete failure. Excellent. That is a start. Why/how was Bush a failure.

And what was Romney successful at doing? Carving up companies and sending them overseas? Bankrupting them and looting their pensions? Bush and Romney are two peas in a pod.

The last time Romney was Governor it was as a Liberal who passed Romneycare. That would have been a correct answer on how Romney is different than Bush. But that Romney is dead.

Bush was successful in business exactly the same way Romney was. Started off with daddys money and he too socialized the losses and privatized the profits when he bought and sold the Texas Rangers. He was a "successful business man" too. Are you now admitting he was not?

Romney will go right back to the Bush policies because lets face it, those weren't Bush's policies in the first place. They were the GOP's polciies. The oil and defense contractors polcies. ALEC's policies. The anti abortion groups policies. The tax breaks to the rich and send jobs overseas crowd. Romney will do what he is told just like Bush.

And I agree. Obama has gone along with a lot of Bush's shit. Too much. THere goes your socialist theory. But no reason to go with Romney because that is true. He'll go along with all of BUsh's shit.

 

[Interpol]

Well, I come to this board from the perspective of considering myself somewhat conservative and somewhat liberal, depending on the issue.

I've always had the Groucho Marx approach that says I wouldn't want to be a part of any group that would have me as a member.

I find that group-think has squeezed people like me out of the Republican party.

I'm for cap-and-trade, just like how they first proposed it, but now I'm seen as a dick by Republicans for continuing to support it. It's a policy that follows the mantra of "individual responsibility". It just makes sense. I'm glad they put it out there first and that they took it seriously, but then a Democratic president came along and agreed with them so now they act like it's the devil's work.

I just don't get it.

I think the Republican party has squeezed lots of Romney types out there and Romney needs them to win but then he gets blasted by the Republican base for not walking lockstep with everything they want.

I don't think Romney is an absolutist. He's a moderate. I question the sincerity of his hard tack to the right over the last several months, completely moving away from his long-held views into the polar opposite direction.

I think any rational person here agrees that an individual will evolve over time. We know because that's how most of us are; we grow and change, some of our beliefs deepen, others soften. But for Romney, the total upheaval of his entire belief system, politically, from one huge issue to the next just blows me away. In just 5 or 6 years he is a totally born-again politician. Kinda worries me about where he'll be 5 or 6 years from now.

How is he different than Bush? I don't know. I have no way of telling if he would end up deferring to a small harem of folks on practically everything.

On taxes, Romney proposes a tax cut that puts him on par with the Bush Tax Cuts from a decade ago, and just like Bush, it worries me that Romney hasn't said what exactly he would cut. The Bush Tax Cuts cost $4 trillion over 10 years, folks. You gotta pay for it by cutting something, so tell me what you want to do!!

At least with the Democrats, I can go and read the policy proposal. I can read through the Progressive Caucus Budget and I know what I like and I know what I don't, but with the Republicans it's the fantasy budget of Paul Ryan, which makes things really difficult to compute when they won't say what they'd cut exactly or how to account for permanently extending a tax policy that costs us real money.

I think maybe personally that Mitt Romney thinks he's more of a moderate, but I think in all practical terms his governing style as President would be like John Boehner's in the House in that Boehner isn't really that radical of a guy, but he's having to put through bills that are pretty extreme and totally uncompromising.

Like, I don't think John Boehner really thinks that by cutting Planned Parenthood the nation is going to actually save any money or do anything good. But the social conservatives want it and they twist his arm and he gives it to them.

I think it would work that way with a President Romney, and I'm not sure how much I feel about having a President who's beholden to an extreme that even he doesn't himself espouse as being particularly good.

If he insists on repeating the mistakes of George W. Bush, than I don't know how I square being able to vote for the guy.

 

[Oldstyle]

As much as you'd LIKE to make this about Bush, Bobo...it's NOT.

This election will be a choice between a moderate Republican with business and executive experience and a far left Democrat with no business experience and 3 years of learning on the job what it means to be an executive.

It will be a choice between a moderate Republican who was the Governor of one of the most liberal States in the country with a Democratic legislature yet still managed to get things done and a far left Democrat who never ran ANYTHING before taking office and has displayed an amazing knack for alienating everyone across the aisle with a ideologue's stubborn refusal to compromise.

Who CARES about George W. Bush? He's sitting at home on his ranch at Crawford, Texas most likely chuckling his ass off at how badly the "intellectual" who followed him is handling things. It's amazing how three years of Obama has made eight years of W. look a whole lot better.

 

[Unkotare]

Corporations are not people and money is not speech.

You need to go talk to the Supreme Court about that, tough guy. Your argument is with them.

 

[ThinkCritically]

Who CARES about George W. Bush? He's sitting at home on his ranch at Crawford, Texas most likely chuckling his ass off at how badly the "intellectual" who followed him is handling things. It's amazing how three years of Obama has made eight years of W. look a whole lot better.

I agree, I seriously hated Bush, then Obama comes along and wipes his ass with the constitution as well. Are we ever going to see a president that honors the law of the land again? Romney is obviously a member of the corporatist part, and Obama is obviously a pandering fool. But we all know what will happen at election time. 99% of the vote will go to these two. The prisoners dilemma is an excellent means of keeping power for the two parties.

 

[Unkotare]

The last time Romney was Governor it was as a Liberal .

Romney did not govern the state of Massachusetts "as a liberal." If not for the mountain of far-left bullshit you have posted here I'd give you the benefit of the doubt that you are just ignorant of anything not on your lefty talking points paper, tough guy.

 

[Sarah G]

Who CARES about George W. Bush? He's sitting at home on his ranch at Crawford, Texas most likely chuckling his ass off at how badly the "intellectual" who followed him is handling things. It's amazing how three years of Obama has made eight years of W. look a whole lot better.

I agree, I seriously hated Bush, then Obama comes along and wipes his ass with the constitution as well. Are we ever going to see a president that honors the law of the land again? Romney is obviously a member of the corporatist part, and Obama is obviously a pandering fool. But we all know what will happen at election time. 99% of the vote will go to these two. The prisoners dilemma is an excellent means of keeping power for the two parties.

Nobody is going to change the two party system just because some of you can't make a decision.

Come up with a candidate and work with it.