War on drugs began at the border.

[LilOlLady]

WAR ON DRUGS BEGAN AT THE BORDER.

If there were no drugs crossing the border, they would not get on the streets and to drug dealers and users. The war on drugs has failed for the same reason the war on illegal immigration has failed. We have failed to secure the border. Legalizing marijuana will not put a dent on the war on drugs because there are other drugs that are crossing and most addictions are to those drugs. Marijuana is jut a fraction of the drugs crossing the border and of use. I am aware of cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin and illegal prescription drugs but there are probably others. These drugs that will make it worth drugs cartels getting them on our street and to users.

Are there any village idiots out there that believe if we make marijuana more available that people will stop using other drugs?

If drug cartels cannot get their drug across the border they will leave the border and they would solve Mexico’s war on drugs.

We got Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan but we cannot keep drugs and drugs cartel out of this country?

 

[LilOlLady]

What Are the Medical Dangers of Marijuana Use?
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[sublime]

WRONG......

The war on drugs cannot be won, there is too much demand which creates a black market that is supplied by people on both sides of the border. It generates under the table wealth for a criminal element that operates outside of our laws.

People should be able to go to a pharmacy and ask for drugs over the counter. The violence would drop dramatically the minute you take the profit away from the criminals.

 

[Steelplate]

Unman hats to break it to you, but pot can be grown anywhere. In the US. Meth can be made in mobile labs. Heroin and coke? You have a point, but the legalization of a recreational drug like pot would allow for many more assets at our disposal to go after the really dangerous drugs.

Personally? I have no dog in this hunt. I used to smoke the stuff when I was a young man, but haven't touched it for decades. It matters little to me one way or another. I just think that in practical terms..,it should be done.

 

[LilOlLady]

Hell if I stayed high on marijuana all the time, I would forget that I had MS also.

 

[LilOlLady]

Most of us are familiar with the pulmonary consequences of smoking cigarettes--COPD and lung cancer among the most prevalent accounting for nearly 300,000 deaths annually in the United States alone. But for those who regularly smoke marijuana, are the consequences comparable? Since marijuana includes many of the same respiratory irritants and cancer causing ingredients as cigarettes, it would be reasonable to hypothesize that the consequences of regularly smoking marijuana would be similar to those of tobacco.
Does Regular Marijuana Smoking Lead to COPD?

 

[Steelplate]

Hell if I stayed high on marijuana all the time, I would forget that I had MS also.

?
I mean, sorry about your MS...but what does that have to do with the price of duck milk this time of year?

 

[LilOlLady]

WRONG......

The war on drugs cannot be won, there is too much demand which creates a black market that is supplied by people on both sides of the border. It generates under the table wealth for a criminal element that operates outside of our laws.

People should be able to go to a pharmacy and ask for drugs over the counter. The violence would drop dramatically the minute you take the profit away from the criminals.

Legalizing Marijuana would not stop drug related violence because there are so many other drug we cannot legalize.

 

[Steelplate]

Most of us are familiar with the pulmonary consequences of smoking cigarettes--COPD and lung cancer among the most prevalent accounting for nearly 300,000 deaths annually in the United States alone. But for those who regularly smoke marijuana, are the consequences comparable? Since marijuana includes many of the same respiratory irritants and cancer causing ingredients as cigarettes, it would be reasonable to hypothesize that the consequences of regularly smoking marijuana would be similar to those of tobacco.
Does Regular Marijuana Smoking Lead to COPD?

So does coal mining and welding...however, if we are just talking about guilty pleasures, Some people smoke two packs of cigarettes a day....all by themselves. I'd be willing to bet you'd be hard pressed to find many people who ingested nearly that much smoke from marijuana.

 

[sublime]

WRONG......

The war on drugs cannot be won, there is too much demand which creates a black market that is supplied by people on both sides of the border. It generates under the table wealth for a criminal element that operates outside of our laws.

People should be able to go to a pharmacy and ask for drugs over the counter. The violence would drop dramatically the minute you take the profit away from the criminals.

Legalizing Marijuana would not stop drug related violence because there are so many other drug we cannot legalize.

Why not?

Have the laws that criminalize drug use stopped drug use in the United States? Can you show me where any prohibition has worked? The only way to truly enforce prohibition is through draconian tactics like those that are employed in the middle east and china. Sorry, it just ain't gonna happen.

Besides, are you truly free if the government can regulate what you are allowed to ingest in to your own body?

Nope.. Not really...

I am not a drug user, I think drugs are bad, but I believe the impact of creating a HUGE criminal underground with the "War on Drugs" is far worse than the drug use itself. Drug users will use drugs regardless of their legality the war on drugs has been ongoing for 40 years and it hasn't changed a thing.. Oh wait, it has cost billions of dollars, created a criminal black market and jailed a large portion of our society... Yeah, that's a great policy... puhleaze.

 

[BlindBoo]

Most of us are familiar with the pulmonary consequences of smoking cigarettes--COPD and lung cancer among the most prevalent accounting for nearly 300,000 deaths annually in the United States alone. But for those who regularly smoke marijuana, are the consequences comparable? Since marijuana includes many of the same respiratory irritants and cancer causing ingredients as cigarettes, it would be reasonable to hypothesize that the consequences of regularly smoking marijuana would be similar to those of tobacco.
Does Regular Marijuana Smoking Lead to COPD?

Nope.

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows

The active ingredient in marijuana cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University who tested the chemical in both lab and mouse studies.

 

[BlindBoo]

WAR ON DRUGS BEGAN AT THE BORDER.

If there were no drugs crossing the border, they would not get on the streets and to drug dealers and users. The war on drugs has failed for the same reason the war on illegal immigration has failed. We have failed to secure the border. Legalizing marijuana will not put a dent on the war on drugs because there are other drugs that are crossing and most addictions are to those drugs. Marijuana is jut a fraction of the drugs crossing the border and of use. I am aware of cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin and illegal prescription drugs but there are probably others. These drugs that will make it worth drugs cartels getting them on our street and to users.

Are there any village idiots out there that believe if we make marijuana more available that people will stop using other drugs?

If drug cartels cannot get their drug across the border they will leave the border and they would solve Mexico’s war on drugs.

We got Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan but we cannot keep drugs and drugs cartel out of this country?

There is not really a war on Drugs. It's a war on your fellow citizens who use non-government approved recreational substances. Interdiction and incarceration have failed to stop the flow of drugs US citizens want. However the profit motive will win out and these fascist policies will likely continue continue because too many companies are making big buck off the current bull shit hype. Private prisons, drug testing equipment manufacturers, Police Departments, CIA .....not to mention the lucrative black market.

I don't think you can make marijuana more available, it's everywhere. I think we should regulate and tax it like any other adult consumer product. Like has been pointed out that would free up many resourse to pursue the more dangerous drug. Although personally, I think a great many should also be legal.

 

[Dr.Drock]

No, the War on Drugs began in cozy rooms in Washington DC.

Securing the border won't stop marijuana growing, meth making or the dozens of prescription drugs already here from being abused.

 

[waltky]

Mexican Violence Likely to Affect Election...

Horrific Violence in Mexico Likely to Affect July Presidential Election
May 15, 2012 - The discovery of 49 decapitated and handless corpses on a highway near the city of Monterrey, in Mexico's northern Nuevo Leon state on Sunday, has drawn attention once again to the brutal drug war that has claimed more than 50,000 lives in that Latin American nation during the past six years. Shortly before the discovery in Monterrey, dozens of bodies were found in the border city of Nuevo Laredo and in the central city of Guadalajara.

In Nuevo Leon, authorities are investigating the brutal slaughter of 43 men and six women, whose identities are difficult to establish, according to state public security spokesman Jorge Domene. None of them have heads, he explains, and the bodies are so mutilated that forensic experts might not be able to establish who they were.

Domene says signs left near the bodies indicate that credit for the mass killing is being claimed by Los Zetas, a paramilitary group that started out a decade ago as part of the Gulf cartel in northeastern Mexico, and then went into drug smuggling on its own. “In the past, the cartels were largely concerned about doing business," says George Grayson of the College of William and Mary in Virginia, a leading expert on Mexico, who has been following the drug wars closely. "They would kill if they had to, but they were looking at the bottom line. Now comes a group like Los Zetas who seem to relish executing people in the most sadistic, brutal and fiendish fashion.”

For the past few years, the once relatively prosperous and peaceful city of Monterrey has become a war zone between Los Zetas and the powerful Sinaloa cartel, which is run by fugitive Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman. Analyst George Grayson says people in Monterrey want the return of law and order. Although northern Mexico has often favored the ruling National Action Party, or PAN, Grayson says public opinion surveys show voters there and in many other parts of Mexico might now look to the Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, to stop the violence. “People really feel that they are involved in a crisis situation and that is the number one factor that respondents report as to why they will vote for the PRI on July 1,” said Grayson.

The PRI held uninterrupted power in Mexico for more than 70 years until 2000, when PAN candidate Vicente Fox was elected president. He was followed by the PAN's Felipe Calderon, the country's current president. Calderon began his six-year term in December, 2006 by declaring war on organized crime, sending military units to capture or kill major drug cartel figures, something George Grayson says led to more violence. “Every time you decapitate a cartel, the kingpin's lieutenants engage in a power struggle for dominance," he said. "Moreover, rival criminal organizations then move into the turf of the displaced leader and, finally, the extremely violent gangs begin to act up.”

Grayson notes it will be difficult to curb the violence, no matter who wins the presidential election. He says the new president will have to rely more on developing intelligence and police investigative skills and less on deploying troops around the country. “I think it is going to be using a more scalpel-like approach and, perhaps, laying aside the broad sword, although he will still need to have the military in place because Mexico does not have an honest police force,” added Grayson.

The corrupting power of illicit drug trade profits has undermined many efforts to professionalize Mexican police forces. The original members of Los Zetas, for example, were from an elite military unit. Experts on Mexico's drug trafficking note that in past years, gangs usually disposed of bodies in clandestine graves, whereas they now hang them from bridges or dump them at busy intersections. They say these gruesome public displays are warnings to rivals and demonstrations that the killers have little fear of being caught and held accountable for their crimes.

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Mexican presidential candidates mostly mute on drug wars
15 May`12 – The discovery of 49 decapitated bodies on a highway leading to the U.S. border would seem like the time for Mexico's presidential candidates to denounce the drug cartels and say how they will stop them.

But none of the four candidates issued statements on the tragedy or posted comments on their Twitter accounts. Not long after the news made headlines the world over, candidate Gabriel Quadri of the teacher-union-controlled New Alliance Party said via Twitter that the song Hot for Teacher was among his favorite Van Halen tunes. The reason for the silence, say political observers here, is no one has an answer for the violence. "It's an uncomfortable topic for which (the candidates) don't have responses … or something clear to offer," says Jorge Buendía, director of the polling firm Buendía & Laredo.

The massacre in Nuevo León state, 95 miles from the U.S. border at McAllen, Texas, and two other mass murders over the prior 10 days, were reminders that drug cartels and organized crime remain serious threats to the rule of law in Mexico. The presidential candidates who seek to take over for outgoing President Felipe Calderón after July 1 elections act as if it is an issue like any other. They talk incessantly of jobs, energy, taxes and labor, but not of the criminal syndicates that are murdering thousands of people yearly, corrupting police and politicians, and making parts of Mexico ungovernable.

Calderón put crime at the top of his agenda after taking office in December 2006. He has gone hard after the cartels in the past 5½ years, during which time more than 50,000 people have died in criminal-related killings. Calderón is barred by law from a second term, and his successor will take over in December. When politicians shy away from a serious issue, it often falls to the media to bring it up. But the killings are so numerous they have become routine news. On the day after the Sunday massacre, Mexico City newspaper El Universal led its front page with: "Job creation, the aspirants' priority." The massacre was less prominent.

Political and security analysts say the candidates' proposals differ little from Calderón's methods: improving the professionalism of the police, bolstering intelligence-gathering and keeping soldiers in the streets for now the time being. "There aren't many good alternatives to what's being done already," independent political analyst Fernando Dworak says. "It's not politically profitable to say, 'We're going to withdraw the army and marines from violent areas.' "

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[Mr. Shaman]

WAR ON DRUGS BEGAN AT THE BORDER.

If there were no drugs crossing the border, they would not get on the streets and to drug dealers and users.

You're really that ill-informed??

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[Mr. Shaman]

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[tinydancer]

Fail. Coming from the meth capitol of the universe at the time Hamilton Ontario Canada, none of what you say makes sense L'Ol lady.

Different drugs, different moments in time.

Drug trade will always continue when there are democrats alive.

 

[April]

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[Mr. Shaman]

Fail. Coming from the meth capitol of the universe at the time Hamilton Ontario Canada, none of what you say makes sense L'Ol lady.

Different drugs, different moments in time.

Drug trade will always continue when there are democrats alive.

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[Mr. Shaman]

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