How is Romney Different Than Bush?

[sealybobo]

How is Obama different from Bush? Both engaged in massive spending Obama has continued most of the anti terror measures from the Bush year's including the Patriot Act both engaged in bailouts expanded Government power they even used the same surge strategy one in Iraq the other in Afghanistan.

If you believe that then vote for Obama. Or don't vote at all. I won't tell you how Obama is different because you won't like those things about him. So I hope you just continue to think that he's no different than Bush/Romney and so you either don't vote or vote for Obama. Just don't vote for Romney.

And you didn't answer my question. How is Mitt different than Bush? If you can't answer, don't feel bad. No one has been able to so far.

 

[sublime]

Romney is to the left of Bush, he is almost aligned with Bill Clinton politically. Democrats should love him...

Obama is way left of Clinton.

Yet we don't love him. Please don't tell us what we should love, or that Romney is liberal. Just like you should stop saying the media is liberal. Makes you seem dumb when the fact is 7 corporations purchased all the media after the 1997 deregulations act. Is this too much info for you? Of course it is. Its more than a talking point.

And has Romney shaken up his etch a sketch already? He better wait until after the convention or they might not nominate him.

Romney is wherever the GOP tells him to be. And so far he's agreed with killing GM and doing away with collective bargaining and anti birth control so...

You have shown me no differences between Romney and Bush. Thanks. Strike one.

I haven't tried.. ROmney, Bush, Obama.. All three suck... I wouldn't vote for any of them. I voted for Bush in 2000, but not in 2004. I did not vote for McCain or Obama in 2008.... I will not vote for Romney or Obama in a couple of months...

You are stuck on party politics. I am beyond Democrats vs. Republicans... Both parties are leading us to financial ruin. One faster than the other. I believe the GOP can be saved, maybe, but growing more unlikely with each passing year. The DNC has been overrun by far left radicals that if allowed to implement their agenda will DESTROY this country in a very short timeframe.

 

[sealybobo]

As a conservative, I dislike Romney even more than I dislike Bush. Both are better options than Obama, though.

Marginally.. If it weren't for the SCOTUS I wouldn't give a crap which one of them was in office.. Toe May Toe, Tuh Mah Toe, Poe Tay Toe...

Why? Do you believe in Corporatism, feudalism and/or fascism? Because the GOP Alito and Roberts have already handed the country over to corporations in their Citizens United case.

Even most cons I know don't like Citizens United. And you want to put another righty on the bench? Insane!

I asked someone else this. If this is true:

The "middle class" is not the natural result of freeing business to do whatever it wants, of "free and open markets," or of "free trade." The "middle class" is not a normal result of "free markets." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

What did your grandfather and father do for a living and what do you do for a living? And where do you think you would fall if what I posted is true?

 

[Avatar4321]

amazing how free speech threatens you sealy. You really need to get over it. The politicians tried to prohibit people from running ads against them during an election and the Supreme Court upheld the Constitution.

The Constitution is here to stay. Get used to it.

 

[auditor0007]

Romney is to the left of Bush, he is almost aligned with Bill Clinton politically. Democrats should love him...

Obama is way left of Clinton.

Asking for a 20% across the board income tax cut is not exactly in Bill Clinton's thinking. And thinking that Obama is way left of Clinton is a stretch. You really should look at facts rather than listening so much to the talking heads who have you guys believing that Obama is some Muslim Socialist Communist traitor.

 

[ThinkCritically]

I do agree that both of these guys are establishment puppets, but the only difference between the two is that Romney tells lies with proper grammar. They are both aggressive militants and big spenders. But isn't Romney going to be running against BO? What is the difference between Mitt and BO? Not much as far as I can tell....The democrats win either way come next election.

 

[Listening]

I have been asking this and no one seems to be able to answer.

That's because no one knows Romney's positions on anything because he's already had every position.

That would make him different from Bush.

You just answered his question.

 

[Oddsfish]

As a conservative, I dislike Romney even more than I dislike Bush. Both are better options than Obama, though.

Why?

Romney is a liberal progressive masquerading under the republican party. His affiliation with his own views is intermittent, while his loyalty to corrupt special-interest groups is constant.


Bush was bad, but I'm not quite as angry with him, at the moment.

 

[sublime]

As a conservative, I dislike Romney even more than I dislike Bush. Both are better options than Obama, though.

Marginally.. If it weren't for the SCOTUS I wouldn't give a crap which one of them was in office.. Toe May Toe, Tuh Mah Toe, Poe Tay Toe...

Why? Do you believe in Corporatism, feudalism and/or fascism? Because the GOP Alito and Roberts have already handed the country over to corporations in their Citizens United case.

Even most cons I know don't like Citizens United. And you want to put another righty on the bench? Insane!

I asked someone else this. If this is true:

The "middle class" is not the natural result of freeing business to do whatever it wants, of "free and open markets," or of "free trade." The "middle class" is not a normal result of "free markets." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

What did your grandfather and father do for a living and what do you do for a living? And where do you think you would fall if what I posted is true?

I am approaching the 1% on my income alone. I am a technical architect for a major high tech firm. I did not finish college, I did not come from a wealthy background. My father was skilled labor, he helped assemble Nuclear Power Plant Control Panels for General Electric. He did not graduate college, my grand fathers, one was a contractor, the other operated printing presses. Most of the women in my families background were stay at home moms. My father worked his @ss off as do I and all of my brothers.

The middle class certainly is made by free market principles. The fact that we are able to empower ourselves and elevate our own financial status through hard work and determination is a testament to that. Just take a look at Jesse James, the guy who became famous for making motorcycles. He didn't come from wealth, he isn't highly educated... He learned how to work metal and fabricate by going to work for Boyd Coddington, his love for motorcycles and his passion to create is what drove him to create west coast choppers. He was making good money long before he was famous. Once he got in to the reality TV phenomena it really took off.

That kind of success is not possible in any other country. And I am sorry, but the government didn't make it possible either. He didn't use government grants.. In fact government regulation made his success more difficult.. Vehicle licensing, safety standards, EPA regulations etc. etc. all added to the cost of his business through compliance.

Sorry buddy, but you're wrong.

 

[sealybobo]

Romney is to the left of Bush, he is almost aligned with Bill Clinton politically. Democrats should love him...

Obama is way left of Clinton.

Yet we don't love him. Please don't tell us what we should love, or that Romney is liberal. Just like you should stop saying the media is liberal. Makes you seem dumb when the fact is 7 corporations purchased all the media after the 1997 deregulations act. Is this too much info for you? Of course it is. Its more than a talking point.

And has Romney shaken up his etch a sketch already? He better wait until after the convention or they might not nominate him.

Romney is wherever the GOP tells him to be. And so far he's agreed with killing GM and doing away with collective bargaining and anti birth control so...

You have shown me no differences between Romney and Bush. Thanks. Strike one.

I haven't tried.. ROmney, Bush, Obama.. All three suck... I wouldn't vote for any of them. I voted for Bush in 2000, but not in 2004. I did not vote for McCain or Obama in 2008.... I will not vote for Romney or Obama in a couple of months...

You are stuck on party politics. I am beyond Democrats vs. Republicans... Both parties are leading us to financial ruin. One faster than the other. I believe the GOP can be saved, maybe, but growing more unlikely with each passing year. The DNC has been overrun by far left radicals that if allowed to implement their agenda will DESTROY this country in a very short timeframe.

You are brainwashed about Democrats. They aren't perfect, and I do understand the corruption that exists with both parties, but its not socialism. Its the fact that corporations/the rich/lobbyists and groups like ALEC own both parties.

I'm all for taking on the Federal Reserve, if you are a Ron Paul supporter. But they/you don't seem to realize its not just the private bankers that are fucking us through the Federal Reserve. Its also the oil companies, healthcare giants and manufacturers that took the jobs overseas. Time to fix NAFTA, not deregulate. Time to tariff, not give tax breaks. Government is not the problem, its the solution. But we need to take it back first. It no longer works for us. Get it? Neither will Ron Paul's.

The "middle class" is not the natural result of freeing business to do whatever it wants, of "free and open markets," or of "free trade." The "middle class" is not a normal result of "free markets." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

And I don't care if the debt goes to 900 trillion. The bankers will figure out how to avoid a crash that is so big it also destroys them too. Our money isn't even backed by gold anymore so really its only worth whatever they say its worth. Or maybe one day we will just insist the bankers forgive the debt that we owe them. Or we stop paying interest on the amount we owe them. Only pay the chinese back but fuck the bankers that benefit from our debt.

 

[sublime]

Romney is to the left of Bush, he is almost aligned with Bill Clinton politically. Democrats should love him...

Obama is way left of Clinton.

Asking for a 20% across the board income tax cut is not exactly in Bill Clinton's thinking. And thinking that Obama is way left of Clinton is a stretch. You really should look at facts rather than listening so much to the talking heads who have you guys believing that Obama is some Muslim Socialist Communist traitor.

Obama's own words in his books and speeches have me convinced that he is a fan of marxism and a black liberation theologist.

He is certainly left of Bill Clinton...

As for Romney, I'll believe the tax cut when I see it. Sounds like campaign rhetoric to me.

 

[sealybobo]

Marginally.. If it weren't for the SCOTUS I wouldn't give a crap which one of them was in office.. Toe May Toe, Tuh Mah Toe, Poe Tay Toe...

Why? Do you believe in Corporatism, feudalism and/or fascism? Because the GOP Alito and Roberts have already handed the country over to corporations in their Citizens United case.

Even most cons I know don't like Citizens United. And you want to put another righty on the bench? Insane!

I asked someone else this. If this is true:

The "middle class" is not the natural result of freeing business to do whatever it wants, of "free and open markets," or of "free trade." The "middle class" is not a normal result of "free markets." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

What did your grandfather and father do for a living and what do you do for a living? And where do you think you would fall if what I posted is true?

I am approaching the 1% on my income alone. I am a technical architect for a major high tech firm. I did not finish college, I did not come from a wealthy background. My father was skilled labor, he helped assemble Nuclear Power Plant Control Panels for General Electric. He did not graduate college, my grand fathers, one was a contractor, the other operated printing presses. Most of the women in my families background were stay at home moms. My father worked his @ss off as do I and all of my brothers.

The middle class certainly is made by free market principles. The fact that we are able to empower ourselves and elevate our own financial status through hard work and determination is a testament to that. Just take a look at Jesse James, the guy who became famous for making motorcycles. He didn't come from wealth, he isn't highly educated... He learned how to work metal and fabricate by going to work for Boyd Coddington, his love for motorcycles and his passion to create is what drove him to create west coast choppers. He was making good money long before he was famous. Once he got in to the reality TV phenomena it really took off.

That kind of success is not possible in any other country. And I am sorry, but the government didn't make it possible either. He didn't use government grants.. In fact government regulation made his success more difficult.. Vehicle licensing, safety standards, EPA regulations etc. etc. all added to the cost of his business through compliance.

Sorry buddy, but you're wrong.

Like Jesse James, I know a lot of small business owners who made their fortunes selling their products and services to highly paid union workers.

And how many Jesse James' are out there? A lot more people in the middle class got there by having a good paying union job. Your way, only the inventor or business owner makes a good living. If he just stays working for Boyd Coddington, he never gets ahead. Unless they pay their employees well and if so, that's because unions brought up the wages of all working Americans.

You would have never made it into the top 1% if we did things Ron Paul's way. For many reasons. No Degree? You work for someone else?

And you would be doing what your grandfather did. Either that or get someone else to let you be their apprentice. So you would probably fall into the small merchantile class.

Most Americans would fall into the large working poor class if it weren't for liberal progressive democracy. I would think most Republicans think they would never fall into the last catagory but I have to say many of them are wrong.

 

[sealybobo]

Romney is to the left of Bush, he is almost aligned with Bill Clinton politically. Democrats should love him...

Obama is way left of Clinton.

Asking for a 20% across the board income tax cut is not exactly in Bill Clinton's thinking. And thinking that Obama is way left of Clinton is a stretch. You really should look at facts rather than listening so much to the talking heads who have you guys believing that Obama is some Muslim Socialist Communist traitor.

Obama's own words in his books and speeches have me convinced that he is a fan of marxism and a black liberation theologist.

He is certainly left of Bill Clinton...

As for Romney, I'll believe the tax cut when I see it. Sounds like campaign rhetoric to me.

Most people's taxes are actually lower under Obama than they were under Bush. Romney won't lower your taxes unless you are in the top 1%. Are you?

 

[sealybobo]

Middle class Republicans incorrectly believe that when Bush or Romney look into the camera and say "i want to lower your taxes" that they are talking to them. THey are not.

So far I have not read one post explaining any differences between Bush and Romney. I think I made my point.

 

[Listening]

Asking for a 20% across the board income tax cut is not exactly in Bill Clinton's thinking. And thinking that Obama is way left of Clinton is a stretch. You really should look at facts rather than listening so much to the talking heads who have you guys believing that Obama is some Muslim Socialist Communist traitor.

Obama's own words in his books and speeches have me convinced that he is a fan of marxism and a black liberation theologist.

He is certainly left of Bill Clinton...

As for Romney, I'll believe the tax cut when I see it. Sounds like campaign rhetoric to me.

Most people's taxes are actually lower under Obama than they were under Bush. Romney won't lower your taxes unless you are in the top 1%. Are you?

You just answered your own question.

 

[ThinkCritically]

And I don't care if the debt goes to 900 trillion.

 

[sublime]

Why? Do you believe in Corporatism, feudalism and/or fascism? Because the GOP Alito and Roberts have already handed the country over to corporations in their Citizens United case.

Even most cons I know don't like Citizens United. And you want to put another righty on the bench? Insane!

I asked someone else this. If this is true:

The "middle class" is not the natural result of freeing business to do whatever it wants, of "free and open markets," or of "free trade." The "middle class" is not a normal result of "free markets." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs."

What did your grandfather and father do for a living and what do you do for a living? And where do you think you would fall if what I posted is true?

I am approaching the 1% on my income alone. I am a technical architect for a major high tech firm. I did not finish college, I did not come from a wealthy background. My father was skilled labor, he helped assemble Nuclear Power Plant Control Panels for General Electric. He did not graduate college, my grand fathers, one was a contractor, the other operated printing presses. Most of the women in my families background were stay at home moms. My father worked his @ss off as do I and all of my brothers.

The middle class certainly is made by free market principles. The fact that we are able to empower ourselves and elevate our own financial status through hard work and determination is a testament to that. Just take a look at Jesse James, the guy who became famous for making motorcycles. He didn't come from wealth, he isn't highly educated... He learned how to work metal and fabricate by going to work for Boyd Coddington, his love for motorcycles and his passion to create is what drove him to create west coast choppers. He was making good money long before he was famous. Once he got in to the reality TV phenomena it really took off.

That kind of success is not possible in any other country. And I am sorry, but the government didn't make it possible either. He didn't use government grants.. In fact government regulation made his success more difficult.. Vehicle licensing, safety standards, EPA regulations etc. etc. all added to the cost of his business through compliance.

Sorry buddy, but you're wrong.

Like Jesse James, I know a lot of small business owners who made their fortunes selling their products and services to highly paid union workers.

And how many Jesse James' are out there? A lot more people in the middle class got there by having a good paying union job. Your way, only the inventor or business owner makes a good living. If he just stays working for Boyd Coddington, he never gets ahead. Unless they pay their employees well and if so, that's because unions brought up the wages of all working Americans.

You would have never made it into the top 1% if we did things Ron Paul's way. For many reasons. No Degree? You work for someone else?

And you would be doing what your grandfather did. Either that or get someone else to let you be their apprentice. So you would probably fall into the small merchantile class.

Most Americans would fall into the large working poor class if it weren't for liberal progressive democracy. I would think most Republicans think they would never fall into the last catagory but I have to say many of them are wrong.

I hold a job that most people with advanced degrees salavate over. I grossed nearly 200,000 last year. I can and probably will be starting a consulting business soon and it will eclipse the numbers brought in by my salary / bonus. I have learned a skill, worked hard and leveraged my people skills to create relationships that have allowed me to advance in my career.

You claim high paid union workers buy goods... Yeah.. Look at what liberal / union policies have done to Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, etc. etc. They're rotting cesspools... That's what progressive liberal policies get you.

I am not a pure Libertarian or a devout Ron Paul follower. I do believe however that our government has grown FAR outside it's boundaries and it needs to be scaled back dramatically.

As for your comments on our currency.. Sure it's a fiat currency.. The problem with your disregard for the debt is they are PRINTING currency which does what? That's right, DEVALUES IT... So if you have savings and investments that are substantial they are being devalued.. You are being robbed blind... Nice job buddy...

Zimbabwe anyone??? You do know about ZImbabwe right? I have actual ZImbabwe currency right here in my office.. One single bill, five hundred trillion zimbabwe dollars.. Shocking huh? It used to trade on par with the US Dollar in the 80's.. WHat happened?

LOL

Get a clue dude.

 

[sealybobo]

And I don't care if the debt goes to 900 trillion.

Remember we told you guys that Bush was taking us into the trillions? Yet you defended tax breaks for the rich while we were simultaniously fighting two wars? And you sent Americans Manufacturing Jobs overseas and with them taxes that used to pay into the government? And you gave corporations huge tax breaks too.

Then allowed 15 million illegals to come take our poor people's jobs? You said they were just doing jobs Americans won't do. Remember? Those people aren't paying into the treasury either. And then the bankers robbed us as Bush was leaving office. Remember? And you completely ignored infrastructure the entire time, so now you complain that Obama spent money on infrastructure? Or he didn't spend enough. Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Add all this up and you wonder how the debt doubled? And you didn't cry until Obama took office? Hack.

 

[ThinkCritically]

I'm so over partisan hacks. Just realize that there is a difference between ideology/philosophy and the two parties that spit out party mantra (ideology/philosophy), but then turn around and sell out the country and wipe there asses with the constitution. Everybody busy talking about the petty little partisan story of the week when the entire fabric of the law of the land is being destroyed by both parties. It enough to make me give up faith....Give me one compelling reason for why I should vote for either BO or Mitt....

 

[sealybobo]

I am approaching the 1% on my income alone. I am a technical architect for a major high tech firm. I did not finish college, I did not come from a wealthy background. My father was skilled labor, he helped assemble Nuclear Power Plant Control Panels for General Electric. He did not graduate college, my grand fathers, one was a contractor, the other operated printing presses. Most of the women in my families background were stay at home moms. My father worked his @ss off as do I and all of my brothers.

The middle class certainly is made by free market principles. The fact that we are able to empower ourselves and elevate our own financial status through hard work and determination is a testament to that. Just take a look at Jesse James, the guy who became famous for making motorcycles. He didn't come from wealth, he isn't highly educated... He learned how to work metal and fabricate by going to work for Boyd Coddington, his love for motorcycles and his passion to create is what drove him to create west coast choppers. He was making good money long before he was famous. Once he got in to the reality TV phenomena it really took off.

That kind of success is not possible in any other country. And I am sorry, but the government didn't make it possible either. He didn't use government grants.. In fact government regulation made his success more difficult.. Vehicle licensing, safety standards, EPA regulations etc. etc. all added to the cost of his business through compliance.

Sorry buddy, but you're wrong.

Like Jesse James, I know a lot of small business owners who made their fortunes selling their products and services to highly paid union workers.

And how many Jesse James' are out there? A lot more people in the middle class got there by having a good paying union job. Your way, only the inventor or business owner makes a good living. If he just stays working for Boyd Coddington, he never gets ahead. Unless they pay their employees well and if so, that's because unions brought up the wages of all working Americans.

You would have never made it into the top 1% if we did things Ron Paul's way. For many reasons. No Degree? You work for someone else?

And you would be doing what your grandfather did. Either that or get someone else to let you be their apprentice. So you would probably fall into the small merchantile class.

Most Americans would fall into the large working poor class if it weren't for liberal progressive democracy. I would think most Republicans think they would never fall into the last catagory but I have to say many of them are wrong.

I hold a job that most people with advanced degrees salavate over. I grossed nearly 200,000 last year. I can and probably will be starting a consulting business soon and it will eclipse the numbers brought in by my salary / bonus. I have learned a skill, worked hard and leveraged my people skills to create relationships that have allowed me to advance in my career.

You claim high paid union workers buy goods... Yeah.. Look at what liberal / union policies have done to Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, etc. etc. They're rotting cesspools... That's what progressive liberal policies get you.

I am not a pure Libertarian or a devout Ron Paul follower. I do believe however that our government has grown FAR outside it's boundaries and it needs to be scaled back dramatically.

As for your comments on our currency.. Sure it's a fiat currency.. The problem with your disregard for the debt is they are PRINTING currency which does what? That's right, DEVALUES IT... So if you have savings and investments that are substantial they are being devalued.. You are being robbed blind... Nice job buddy...

Zimbabwe anyone??? You do know about ZImbabwe right? I have actual ZImbabwe currency right here in my office.. One single bill, five hundred trillion zimbabwe dollars.. Shocking huh? It used to trade on par with the US Dollar in the 80's.. WHat happened?

LOL

Get a clue dude.

Hey I don't like the fiat currency any more than you do. But what especially sucks is that i the past 30 years the middle class hasn't gotten a raise and the rich have gotten 300 times richer.

No coincidence that in those same 30 years, union membership went from 35% of our workforce to 12%. No wonder the GOP hate and want to kill unions. And with it the middle class.

Liberal policies will spread that wealth out. Its not class warfare. Its doing what works for the country as a whole. Its doing what we did before Bush changed things. And what he did didn't work. And they were never supposed to be permanent. So why cry that they are ending? We've always had a progressive tax system and it doesn't matter that you are greedy and don't like to pay what 70% of us think is your fair share. You are greedy. But how dare you rich dudes change the system now that you are rich so that it benefits you but makes it harder for the rest of us?