No, they changed their rules, which they are allowed to do.
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Florida delegates fully seated with one-half votes each
- Thread starter Jon
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No, they changed their rules, which they are allowed to do.
COTUS
A state can send electors to vote for whomever they wish in November. Political parties would like for you to believe that you have to play by their rules but the state of Michigan or Florida can send all their electors to vote for Mickey Mouse in the general election.
Yes, and the DNC can lock those electors out if they so choose. The State has full control over which electors they send, and the DNC has full control over how much power/influence/say to give those electors.
States are NOT subject to political parties. It doesn't matter who in the hell the parties nominate. States can select electors to vote for who ever they wish. Electors are not even required to vote for who the state sent them to vote for. WAKE UP.
Incorrect. There have been several primary laws which have been overturned, such as Californias "blanket" primary law because they were sued by the national parties.
Whoops...guess they are subject to political parties.
so according to you the dnc and the rnc for their own orivate reasons ALWAYS GET TO DECIDE WHO OUR NOMINEES for president is...by meanhs of excluding states they don't WANT to count, purposely so they can eliminate one of their nominees that is favored in that state IF they JUST FEEL LIKE IT?
Yes. They can do whatever the hell they want, just because they feel like it. Thats the reality. Don't like it? Tough.
They can make rules so that 26 states can't participate in the primaries and we the people pay for these elections and have no say in any of it?
Yes they can. Although surely even you must understand politics well enough to know that this would never happen.
they can just disenfranchise who they please and do not have to abide by our state laws?
They do need to abide by state laws. HOWEVER, there is NO state law that REQUIRES the DNC to seat delegates from any state.
RICH, real rich....
you have been brainwashed to think you are worth nothing in your own country....
No, I actually do research on the topics I talk about. You just talk out of your ass. You might not like the situation as it currently is, but thats the reality.
The DNC CHOSE to give you a say in the process. And they can take that right away whenever the hell they feel like.
Sort of like Florida sending their electoral college to vote for Bush in 2000 even though he didn't win the popular vote?
But of course Larkin will claim that the popular vote doesn't count since they are only choosing the electoral college and not an elected official.
The popular vote doesn't count. So much for following the rules, eh?
And how exactly did Hillary win the popular vote again? Oh right, if you ignore the votes (i.e. disenfranchise) Caucus states.
But I thought you were against disenfranchising states?...
The popular vote doesn't count. So much for following the rules, eh?
And how exactly did Hillary win the popular vote again? Oh right, if you ignore the votes (i.e. disenfranchise) Caucus states.
But I thought you were against disenfranchising states?...
good morning Larkin,
The popular vote count is SUPPOSE TO RELATE to the delegates earned. The Electorates are issued and allocated FROM THE POPULAR VOTE....
Cacuses HAVE NEVER been counted in the Popular vote, they can't be, and won't be ever calculated in the popular vote in a Primary...
Caucuses are joke...no one gets elected President through a caucus....they have a few hundred people making decisions for millions all based on how loud they can scream and yell....It takes someone who actually knows what the inside of a voting booth looks like to win a General Election.
ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES MIDSTREAM?
Care
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good morning Larkin,
The popular vote count is SUPPOSE TO RELATE to the delegates earned. The Electorates are issued and allocated FROM THE POPULAR VOTE....
Cacuses HAVE NEVER been counted in the Popular vote, they can't be, and won't be ever calculated in the popular vote in a Primary...
Actually you ALSO get electors from a Caucus. So you just contradicted yourself. Either the popular vote doesn't relate to the delegates earned OR caucuses are part of the popular vote.
Trying to have it both ways, eh?
Caucuses are joke...no one gets elected President through a caucus....they have a few hundred people making decisions for millions all based on how loud they can scream and yell....It takes someone who actually knows what the inside of a voting booth looks like to win a General Election.
Oh, well, I see. Just discount and disenfranchise people if you don't agree with how they run their elections. Wait....
ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES MIDSTREAM?
No. What rule do you think I'm trying to change midstream? Your opinion doesn't count as a rule.
Electors are only affected by the popular vote IN the State they are selected from. The President has NEVER been elected by a National popular vote. And unless the Constitution is changed NEVER will be. Basicly November 2nd is 51 separate elections that are used by the Electoral College to determine who will lead the 50 individual States, 51 now cause I believe DC has a voice now?
Which has nothing what so ever to do with Primaries. Primaries are used by Individual partied to try and decide who to run FOR President. Until recently not even every State held Primaries. And until relatively recently Primaries were all about Caucus. Popular vote was not a big part of Primaries originally because the Parties paid for and ran their own Primaries.
It used to be the Republican party was the most controlled of the two big parties, with little real input from rank and file Republicans. That seems to have shifted, at least with this election cycle. Republicans have several Popular vote winner take all Primaries, the Democrats have NONE. I believe the Democrats rely more heavily on Caucus for delegates also, though I might be wrong.
However the fact remains IF the parties want the States to pay for their Primaries they have no choice but to live with WHEN the State agrees to PAY for said Primary. And when a party allows another party to disenfranchise its voters as is claimed by the Liberal supporters of Obama on this board, then I suggest they are to STUPID to be running a National party.
Which has nothing what so ever to do with Primaries. Primaries are used by Individual partied to try and decide who to run FOR President. Until recently not even every State held Primaries. And until relatively recently Primaries were all about Caucus. Popular vote was not a big part of Primaries originally because the Parties paid for and ran their own Primaries.
It used to be the Republican party was the most controlled of the two big parties, with little real input from rank and file Republicans. That seems to have shifted, at least with this election cycle. Republicans have several Popular vote winner take all Primaries, the Democrats have NONE. I believe the Democrats rely more heavily on Caucus for delegates also, though I might be wrong.
However the fact remains IF the parties want the States to pay for their Primaries they have no choice but to live with WHEN the State agrees to PAY for said Primary. And when a party allows another party to disenfranchise its voters as is claimed by the Liberal supporters of Obama on this board, then I suggest they are to STUPID to be running a National party.
Ravi
Diamond Member
There was an interesting editorial in our paper today discussing why the DNC waited so long to say that half the delegates would count. IMO, they knew they would have to seat the delegates eventually, because any other course of action would totally piss Florida off. What they've accomplished by waiting so long is they've taken away the momentum of popular vote from Hillary. Even if they, on the day after the election, had ruled that half the delegates would count, this election outcome would be extremely different at this point.
Nice editorial cartoon as well, of a donkey sawn in half.
Assholes.
Nothing is going to convince me that the DNC didn't have an ulterior motive.
Nice editorial cartoon as well, of a donkey sawn in half.
Assholes.
Nothing is going to convince me that the DNC didn't have an ulterior motive.
There was an interesting editorial in our paper today discussing why the DNC waited so long to say that half the delegates would count. IMO, they knew they would have to seat the delegates eventually, because any other course of action would totally piss Florida off. What they've accomplished by waiting so long is they've taken away the momentum of popular vote from Hillary. Even if they, on the day after the election, had ruled that half the delegates would count, this election outcome would be extremely different at this point.
Nice editorial cartoon as well, of a donkey sawn in half.
Assholes.
Nothing is going to convince me that the DNC didn't have an ulterior motive.
Link? I would like to read it....
Ravi
Diamond Member
Link? I would like to read it....
Democrats -- What took you so long? - 06/03/2008 - MiamiHerald.com
The DNC is soooooooo stupid by pulling their backroom deals and changing the rules and using polls to change A Gvt Certified Vote and the State Certified Delegates from that vote, and changing the rules to where all the uncommitted votes from biden and edwards ALL get put in his column as PLEDGED DELEGATES for goodness sakes instead of Unpledged ACCORDING TO MICHIGAN ELECTION LAW...according to the Rules when this contest began????
They litterally made it impossible via this ILLEGAL MOVE, for Hillary to win....
We'd be having a "Recount" if this popular vote part of this election were taking place in any state...the difference in votes is less than 1%, automatic reccount....this thing WAS VIRTUALLY a possible tie once all superdelegates had voted,
IF THE DNC AND OBAMA had not virtually cheated, by changing Michigan Election Law and DNC rules that were in place before the contest started and handed Obama pledged delegates that he did not in any way, shape or form earn or get from the Certified Michigan Vote,
ALL TO SHUT DOWN THIS PRIMARY....which they had been pushing for months now...
The peoples vote, means NOTHING to these Cronies and means nothing to Obama, that was proven this entire season....
The DNC CHANGED the people's certified vote to CUT OFF HILLARY....
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And THIS is why the DNC is stupid.....
We as a party, would have been better off if the DNC hadn't been touting for months about shutting this primary down with Obama as the winner...long before the elections from various states were even complete...
if they had all just kept there mouths SHUT and let this contest go through the process INSTEAD OF them showing their anxiety and wanted the race to be over and instead of the media pressing hillary to quit for months also and instead of the fricking obama camp continually saying hillary should quit, quit, quit, quit, quit quit at every single gosh darn turn....
Then we would have a winner of this contest that was fairly vetted and all states given a chance in choosing their nominee
This continual call of beating on hillary because she hadn't quit when this race has been neck in neck....there STILL IS NOT A WINNER accord TO THE RULES..... has been what has torn this country apart, along with the extremely negative campaign of Obama and his supporters...
but anyway, this feels very unsettling to me...and other supporters of hillary to where they feel they will never support the Visceral Obama camp or Obama because of this scuzziness that they did, while trying to PRETEND and PUT IT ALL on to the Hillary Camp....just plain ole deceitfulness and they got the PAWNS like the supporters on this site, to BELIEVE their lies and go out there on to the net and CONTINUE TO SPREAD THEM.... and i believe many of them spreading lies are doing such innocently...they are just following the Obama camp and what they tell them....
many feel this way because everyone is and have been, trying to cut OFF OUR VOICES AND OUR VOTES and our support for our candidate that was running an extremely good race and making ground....and we knew she ALWAYS HAD A CHANCE, after all races said and done, that she could try to rally the superdelegates on to supporting her....
SO SHE HAS ALWAYS HAD A CHANCE TO WIN THIS ELECTION, ALWAYS....
BUT, you would never know it, by the way the media has covered this.....sad, really sad that the DNC and Obama and the media all were against her, yet she still managed to get more of the popular vote....
anyway, there is no kiss and make up at this point becasue the DNC AND OBAMA CUT OFF THAT CHANCE TO LET THE ELECTION GO AS THE RULES DICTATE, BY HANDING OBAMA 59 DELEGATES in the 11th hour to shut Hillary down, that he in no way, shape or form, EARNED, ACCORDING TO THE RULES and according to Michigan law....
THAT UNJUST MOVE ALONE.....shut down this contest before the contest was done, and it shut down democracy....
AND it SEALED a divided PARTY!
They litterally made it impossible via this ILLEGAL MOVE, for Hillary to win....
We'd be having a "Recount" if this popular vote part of this election were taking place in any state...the difference in votes is less than 1%, automatic reccount....this thing WAS VIRTUALLY a possible tie once all superdelegates had voted,
IF THE DNC AND OBAMA had not virtually cheated, by changing Michigan Election Law and DNC rules that were in place before the contest started and handed Obama pledged delegates that he did not in any way, shape or form earn or get from the Certified Michigan Vote,
ALL TO SHUT DOWN THIS PRIMARY....which they had been pushing for months now...
The peoples vote, means NOTHING to these Cronies and means nothing to Obama, that was proven this entire season....
The DNC CHANGED the people's certified vote to CUT OFF HILLARY....
------------------------------------------------------------------
And THIS is why the DNC is stupid.....
We as a party, would have been better off if the DNC hadn't been touting for months about shutting this primary down with Obama as the winner...long before the elections from various states were even complete...
if they had all just kept there mouths SHUT and let this contest go through the process INSTEAD OF them showing their anxiety and wanted the race to be over and instead of the media pressing hillary to quit for months also and instead of the fricking obama camp continually saying hillary should quit, quit, quit, quit, quit quit at every single gosh darn turn....
Then we would have a winner of this contest that was fairly vetted and all states given a chance in choosing their nominee
This continual call of beating on hillary because she hadn't quit when this race has been neck in neck....there STILL IS NOT A WINNER accord TO THE RULES..... has been what has torn this country apart, along with the extremely negative campaign of Obama and his supporters...
but anyway, this feels very unsettling to me...and other supporters of hillary to where they feel they will never support the Visceral Obama camp or Obama because of this scuzziness that they did, while trying to PRETEND and PUT IT ALL on to the Hillary Camp....just plain ole deceitfulness and they got the PAWNS like the supporters on this site, to BELIEVE their lies and go out there on to the net and CONTINUE TO SPREAD THEM.... and i believe many of them spreading lies are doing such innocently...they are just following the Obama camp and what they tell them....
many feel this way because everyone is and have been, trying to cut OFF OUR VOICES AND OUR VOTES and our support for our candidate that was running an extremely good race and making ground....and we knew she ALWAYS HAD A CHANCE, after all races said and done, that she could try to rally the superdelegates on to supporting her....
SO SHE HAS ALWAYS HAD A CHANCE TO WIN THIS ELECTION, ALWAYS....
BUT, you would never know it, by the way the media has covered this.....sad, really sad that the DNC and Obama and the media all were against her, yet she still managed to get more of the popular vote....
anyway, there is no kiss and make up at this point becasue the DNC AND OBAMA CUT OFF THAT CHANCE TO LET THE ELECTION GO AS THE RULES DICTATE, BY HANDING OBAMA 59 DELEGATES in the 11th hour to shut Hillary down, that he in no way, shape or form, EARNED, ACCORDING TO THE RULES and according to Michigan law....
THAT UNJUST MOVE ALONE.....shut down this contest before the contest was done, and it shut down democracy....
AND it SEALED a divided PARTY!
There was an interesting editorial in our paper today discussing why the DNC waited so long to say that half the delegates would count. IMO, they knew they would have to seat the delegates eventually, because any other course of action would totally piss Florida off. What they've accomplished by waiting so long is they've taken away the momentum of popular vote from Hillary. Even if they, on the day after the election, had ruled that half the delegates would count, this election outcome would be extremely different at this point.
Nice editorial cartoon as well, of a donkey sawn in half.
Assholes.
Nothing is going to convince me that the DNC didn't have an ulterior motive.
Why would they need to seat the delegates if, as almost always happens, there is a winner by April?
manifold
Diamond Member
- Banned
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partially true...but not completely.
The party, supplies the candidates, BUT THE STATE GOVERNMENT Rules the primary election by Law...
It is our primary election to nominate a President, it is not the democrats or the Republican party's, it is the citizen's primary.
We govern it, we pay for it, we legally certify the votes, we legally certify the delegates, all within each state's Constitution and each state's Election Rules and guidelines...
And the Democratic Party of the United States took Pledge to honor the constitution of the United States first and foremost.
Ummmm, so what's to stop the DNC from deciding to give superdelegates 100 votes each? It wouldn't violate these rules but sure as shit would make the state primaries irrelevant. The reason the party's abide by the primary results is quite simply they want to run a candidate that stands a chance. Not because they are legally bound to do so.
dilloduck
Diamond Member
Yes, and the DNC can lock those electors out if they so choose. The State has full control over which electors they send, and the DNC has full control over how much power/influence/say to give those electors.
Incorrect. There have been several primary laws which have been overturned, such as Californias "blanket" primary law because they were sued by the national parties.
Whoops...guess they are subject to political parties.
Please get the party system out of your head and read the constitution. States send electors (or the results of the state elections ) to Congress. In November states tell congress who they have voted for. This person does NOT have to belong to ANY party or follow ANY party rules.
The victor recieves all the electoral votes from that state except for the rare case of an unfaithful elector. Whoever hits the magic number wins. It could be a 35 year old American born ANYTHING.
Please get the party system out of your head and read the constitution. States send electors (or the results of the state elections ) to Congress. In November states tell congress who they have voted for. This person does NOT have to belong to ANY party or follow ANY party rules.
Please get your weird interpretation of the Constitution out of your head, and read USSC court cases where this shit has already been decided.
The November election is NOT the same as a primary.
Ravi
Diamond Member
If its so illegal, why aren't you, or Hillary, suing?
Because you, or her, would get your ass laughed out of court.
Hillary can't sue. It's really got nothing to do with her.
manifold
Diamond Member
- Banned
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Ummmm, so what's to stop the DNC from deciding to give superdelegates 100 votes each? It wouldn't violate these rules but sure as shit would make the state primaries irrelevant. The reason the party's abide by the primary results is quite simply they want to run a candidate that stands a chance. Not because they are legally bound to do so.
Anyone???
Ravi
Diamond Member
Anyone???
If they give all the supers the same amount of votes it doesn't change the outcome.
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