Do you believe Cohen or Trump?

[JoeB131]

You got that right. I just heard the tapes this morning. This won't go anywhere.

Sure you tell yourself that. You tell yourself all these guys are pleading guilty to stuff and agreeing to testify for "something that won't go anywhere".

 

[Lesh]

Its actually a moot point since there really wasn't any crime committed regarding the hush money payments to the bimbos.

Bingo. Long gone is the original justification for all of this, a counterintelligence probe to determine what and how much Russia was influencing our elections, and SECONDARILY, whether Trump had any hand in it, gone is the investigation of any crime for Mueller has no crime, for two years now this has morphed into an investigation of the man Trump himself in SEARCH of a crime. Now we are down to investigating his personal businesses back into the 1980s to see if he has any unpaid parking tickets.

Flynn, charged with a process crime that had nothing to do with the mandate of the investigation itself or Trump, merely uncovered along the way.

Now Cohen for doing something that at best cannot be proven Trump ordered or sanctioned, and even if he did, is a minor offense which will never rise to the level of impeachable even if the ragtag idiots on the Left try to go for it.

There is no such thing as a "process crime". It's a fantasy animal like a unicorn

Process crime - Wikipedia

Keep in there swinging, Lush. Sooner or later you'll hit the whiffle ball.

From your link

Informally, in criminal procedure, process crime is an offense charged by a prosecutor alleging criminal conduct related to an investigation of a crime, but not to the crime itself. Examples include obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury and misprision of a felony. Also it can involve a misdemeanor, but punishment of crime is much lower. The phrase "process crime" has been used informally by some to suggest a lesser degree of culpability, but there is no evidence that this is the case or that the term has any meaning in legal terminology.

It is a term of art...not a legal term.

And if you're trying to claim that obstruction of justice isn't a real crime or that it's not serious...you are truly a stupid person

 

[Lesh]

Believe Cohen. Cohen has nothing to lose.

Believe Cohen? I don't even believe you. As to Cohen, he has everything to gain. Bet he gets out real early if they nail Trump and he goes back to work for the Democratic Party.

How could you NOT be worried having an attorney that reports to you looking like this? I guess Michael was too stupid to ever hear of the words: "Sorry, but that's against the law, I resign." Sure, Mike. You had no say/control, your were forced against your will to break the law.


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What you seem to forget is that there's all that....what's the word? Oh yea....evidence ...supporting Cohen's claims and none supporting Trump's

 

[Crepitus]

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Oh yeah. There's no way in hell his lawyers would let him testify.

 

[rightwinger]

Cohen claims.....nothing in the Trump organization was ever done without running through Mr Trump


Do Conservatives believe that or not?

no

You think Trump delegates decisions in his business and is a hands off executive?

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Oh yeah. There's no way in hell his lawyers would let him testify.

Clinton and Reagan were forced to testify

 

[Crepitus]

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

We were just saying he shouldn't testify. Nobody needs to lay any sorta trap for him, he's a perjury machine.

 

[Lesh]

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

I think a sitting President taking the 5th would be interesting to say the least.

He would be admitting to law breaking publicly

 

[Crepitus]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Obama turned in a report a day or two late...

it was not a conspiracy to defraud and break finance laws, with coverups and fake corporations and lawless corporation in kind doantions all covered up as well.....

Please STOP with this ignorant bull shat.... you have no idea what you are talking about, and act like you don't give a hoot either, that you are promoting right wing propaganda and lies, to try to skirt around what actually Trump and his conspirators have illegally and intentionally done....

Felonious, mob like, activities...

And this is just the side show of what Trump wants us to focus on...

meanwhile we have collusion with the Russians to get sanctions removed so Donald T can get a Trump Tower in Moscow and the financing for it through a bank that is sanctioned....the Trump Tower Moscow could not happen without the removal of sanctions on this bank....

Do you have any photos of the Trump Tower in Moscow? An address?
Or are you just fantasizing?
Trump has INCREASED the sanctions you idiot!
The sanctions on the bank have NEVER been lifted by Trump!
Change hands pal. You'll put your back out!

Congress increased the sanctions over tRump's objections, that's not the same as tRump increasing them.

 

[TheDude]

Let's take a look at Cohen, who proved to have lied during the investigation.

Cohen says he's oh so deeply sorry he got involved in Trump's most darkest of worlds. And the proof of that world of darkness? Ah shucks, the depths of Hell was hush money paid to a porn star.............Oh my, how fucking dark, Trump is Satan himself.

For those with a fucking brain, it's clear Cohen's statement was was part of a plea agreement for political causes. It's that or he figure he'd say it on his own expecting leniency, but I'll assume the former. Either way it supports what should be very clear to everyone, which is this investigation stinks and Cohen is creep. But I don't suspect many progressives can follow the logic.

 

[toobfreak]

Among thieves, crooks and scammers like Trump and Cohen, it is always difficult to find the truth teller from the liar.

How is it among thieves, crooks and scammers like Barry Obama, Hillary Clinton and their ilk? As to the rest of your pet theories, I've been hearing this crap for over two years now with the claim that the proof was right around the corner. Ain't happening.

 

[toobfreak]

Except thanks to Russian hackers and the Anachronistic College.

How's Mueller making out with those?

 

[toobfreak]

You got that right. I just heard the tapes this morning. This won't go anywhere.

Sure you tell yourself that. You tell yourself all these guys are pleading guilty to stuff and agreeing to testify for "something that won't go anywhere".

Oh it'll go somewhere, just too bad that none of it involves Trump, except Cohen's claim that Trump knew about something that at worst is a slap on the wrist.

 

[toobfreak]

There is no such thing as a "process crime". process crime is an offense charged by a prosecutor alleging criminal conduct related to an investigation of a crime, but not to the crime itself. Examples include obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury and misprision of a felony. Also it can involve a misdemeanor, but punishment of crime is much lower.

Hey jackass, you just gave a clear definition for something that you said DIDN'T EVEN EXIST. All the article says is that it carries no specific legal weight on its own. Pretty funny Turdface that Wiki has an entire article on something your shit-filled brain claims is the stuff of unicorns! It always takes a drooling pinhead like you to put your own foot in your mouth while calling other people stupid.

 

[Care4all]

Was Trump trying to do a real estate deal in Russia before becoming President..........why yes he was.............Did it happen..........Why no it didn't.

Trump compromised himself as a candidate... he lied lied and lied to the American people about his deals and proposals in Moscow, while the russian government and Putin KNEW he was lying to us, over and over and over again...

"I have no deals in Russia, no one from my team has talked to anyone in Russia, I have no proposed deals in Russia, blah blah blah"

He's a fricking liar to the nth degree, which weakens our Country and makes us more unsecure as a Nation.

He pretended he stopped pursuing the Moscow deal, ALL BECAUSE it was made public that the Russians hacked and stole the DNC emails, instead we find out that Cohen was still trying to pursue the deal in Moscow for him in January of 2017.

And now we KNOW why he was mouthing off about how great he was and how great him and Putin get along and how they didn't need sanctions, ALL BECAUSE the bank for the Trump Moscow deal was going to use a bank in Russia, that was UNDER SANCTIONS....

PLEASE, he is a dirty rotten scoundrel, crooked as they have ever come.... and you picked the traitorous SOB who has chosen himself, over Nation.

Let's just tell the truth, admit it.... The Don comes first and it was NEVER AMERICA FIRST!

 

[Care4all]

if anyone thinks the special counsel is simply taking the liar Cohen's word for anything is being foolish...

Mueller HAS EVIDENCE to support Cohen's contentions, in tapes, voice mails, texts, a paper trail and collaborating witnesses.

that is how it works.

 

[nat4900]

Paid his Spiritual Mentor Jeremiah Wright to STFU during the 2008 campaign, a reported quarter mil.

Do the above "facts" hurt when they come out of your ass???

 

[Asclepias]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen is way more believable. This particular matter isnt the only lie Drumpf is telling. I think he is up to 5k lies or something like that now?

 

[nat4900]

A lot of innocent people don't want to testify either.

Do you think they're SHY or Guilty???

Donald Trump said that he would "love to speak" with special counsel Robert Mueller, but only if he's "treated fairly."

"I would love to speak. I would love to. Nobody wants to speak more than me," the President told reporters at the White House, adding that his lawyers have advised him against sitting for an interview.

"I would love to speak because we've done nothing wrong,"

 

[Asclepias]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Maybe Obama didnt lie about it like Drumpf did?