Do you believe Cohen or Trump?

[bripat9643]

Both are liars...who do you believe?

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

 

[bripat9643]

Cohen. Anyone who has served on a jury, or sat in the gallery on the first day, knows that one part of the orientation to each possible member of the jury is to understand that testimony needs to be evaluated as true or not by using common sense.

Commen sense tells me Cohen was mostly truthful, and Trump is mostly mendacious.

ROFL! You just proved you have no common sense.

 

[rightwinger]

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

 

[Lesh]

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

And you base this on...Trump's hand up your ass?

 

[Lesh]

Its actually a moot point since there really wasn't any crime committed regarding the hush money payments to the bimbos.

Bingo. Long gone is the original justification for all of this, a counterintelligence probe to determine what and how much Russia was influencing our elections, and SECONDARILY, whether Trump had any hand in it, gone is the investigation of any crime for Mueller has no crime, for two years now this has morphed into an investigation of the man Trump himself in SEARCH of a crime. Now we are down to investigating his personal businesses back into the 1980s to see if he has any unpaid parking tickets.

Flynn, charged with a process crime that had nothing to do with the mandate of the investigation itself or Trump, merely uncovered along the way.

Now Cohen for doing something that at best cannot be proven Trump ordered or sanctioned, and even if he did, is a minor offense which will never rise to the level of impeachable even if the ragtag idiots on the Left try to go for it.

There is no such thing as a "process crime". It's a fantasy animal like a unicorn

 

[Crepitus]

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

His release date will be determined by a parole board, and their political makeup is unknown. Plus it's gonna be at least a year or so before it even comes up. If you don't think he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut it's not me who is naive.

 

[rightwinger]

Both are liars...who do you believe?

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

Cohen is a man who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. His only option was to turn on his boss. If all we have is Cohens claims of misdoings, be hard to prosecute
But if Lawyer Cohen covered his ass whole comitting crimes for Trump......Trump is in trouble

 

[eagle1462010]

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

 

[nat4900]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Actually..........Tapes and documents represent what we ALL should believe.....Just ask Nixon......

 

[rightwinger]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Minor transgressions that resulted in $350,000 in fines for missing filing dates and providing partial filings. McCain was also fined for similar actions

 

[JoeB131]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has tapes and corroborating witnesses (Pecker, Daniels, McDougal).

Trump isn't even sure what his lie is yet. He totally paid them off, but he never had sex with them.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong

Cohen was sentenced based on a plea deal. He MUST maintain the same positions publicly or risk having the deal revoked and a REAL prison sentence imposed.

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

He doesn’t have Republicans covering for him any more. Democrats in the House will subpoena him

Clinton was forced to testify......so will Trump

 

[bripat9643]

Both are liars...who do you believe?

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

Cohen is a man who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. His only option was to turn on his boss. If all we have is Cohens claims of misdoings, be hard to prosecute
But if Lawyer Cohen covered his ass whole comitting crimes for Trump......Trump is in trouble

"If. If. If."

 

[eagle1462010]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Minor transgressions that resulted in $350,000 in fines for missing filing dates and providing partial filings. McCain was also fined for similar actions

blah blah blah......

Paying off the bimbos is not illegal.............and not reporting it to the FEC is just a fine in almost all cases...............unless you have a coup going on.........which is what this is..........and we have to listen to you wankers for years more to come over it.....

Impeachment hearings starting next year with the Dem house.............never ending stinking story............

We really should learn from your side and the establishment..........put our own in there and do to them what they do to everyone else and give you a taste of your own medicine.

 

[eagle1462010]

But he could accomplish this better by staying off the TV. He has nothing to gain by broadcasting it. He is more credible just because of his current position.

That is an absurd conclusion.

His release date will be dictated by his behavior from the date of conviction to his ultimate release. He knows this VERY WELL as a lawyer and will continue to do everything in his power to manipulate the way he is perceived in order to achieve the earliest release possible.

You seem very naive

Anyone who believes Her Muller will EVER put Cohen on the witness stand is fucking delusional!
It's a good thing Cohen is not a witness against Hillary. He'd commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of his head five times.
Cohen will be disbarred and end up working at a 'Cinnabon' somewhere in Nevada when he gets out.

The bigger question would be putting Trump on the witness stand.

When pressured, Trumps default seems to be to lie. I can’t see him testifying under oath

Why the hell should he testify.......so you can have another Perjury Trap............How about taking the 5th and telling you to shove the questions where the sun doesn't shine...........

Everyone has that right including the President.

He doesn’t have Republicans covering for him any more. Democrats in the House will subpoena him

Clinton was forced to testify......so will Trump

No one under the constitution is FORCED to TESTIFY...............You are not required to give testimony under that Constitution...........Trump could challenge that to the Supreme Court and refuse to testify.............You'd lose...........

 

[nat4900]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Minor transgressions that resulted in $350,000 in fines for missing filing dates and providing partial filings. McCain was also fined for similar actions

blah blah blah......

Paying off the bimbos is not illegal.............and not reporting it to the FEC is just a fine in almost all cases...............unless you have a coup going on.........which is what this is..........and we have to listen to you wankers for years more to come over it.....

Impeachment hearings starting next year with the Dem house.............never ending stinking story............

We really should learn from your side and the establishment..........put our own in there and do to them what they do to everyone else and give you a taste of your own medicine.

If morons like you just shrug off campaign finance fraud.......and "think" that THAT is the only problem facing the orange clown,

GOOD.....the smack down will be even more of a kick to your ass.......LOL

 

[dannyboys]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Obama turned in a report a day or two late...

it was not a conspiracy to defraud and break finance laws, with coverups and fake corporations and lawless corporation in kind doantions all covered up as well.....

Please STOP with this ignorant bull shat.... you have no idea what you are talking about, and act like you don't give a hoot either, that you are promoting right wing propaganda and lies, to try to skirt around what actually Trump and his conspirators have illegally and intentionally done....

Felonious, mob like, activities...

And this is just the side show of what Trump wants us to focus on...

meanwhile we have collusion with the Russians to get sanctions removed so Donald T can get a Trump Tower in Moscow and the financing for it through a bank that is sanctioned....the Trump Tower Moscow could not happen without the removal of sanctions on this bank....

Do you have any photos of the Trump Tower in Moscow? An address?
Or are you just fantasizing?
Trump has INCREASED the sanctions you idiot!
The sanctions on the bank have NEVER been lifted by Trump!
Change hands pal. You'll put your back out!

 

[JLW]

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Obviously, but absent this type of undeniable proof I don't see how anyone can believe either of them.

And for the record unless it was campaign money I dont see what the big deal is.

and paying off those who might throw a monkey wrench into trumps election hopes is no big deal?

Whether it's a "big deal" isn't the issue. It was legal, and that's all that matters.

Hillary paid off a dozen bimbos to smear Trump.

Where do you come up with this garbage. Provide a link that is not Alex Jones, the National Enquirer, or some other right-wing conspiracy site.

 

[nat4900]

No one under the constitution is FORCED to TESTIFY...............You are not required to give testimony under that Constitution...........Trump could challenge that to the Supreme Court and refuse to testify.............You'd lose.......

TRUE.......Guilty people don't want to testify........A big orange chicken???...........LOL

 

[Polishprince]

Paying off the bimbos is not illegal.............and not reporting it to the FEC is just a fine in almost all cases...............unless you have a coup going on.........which is what this is..........and we have to listen to you wankers for years more to come over it.....
.

This is absolutely correct.

Whether or not its a wise policy to pay off hoes or not, that's a different question.

But paying Hush Money is something the B. Hussein O. did as well. Paid his Spiritual Mentor Jeremiah Wright to STFU during the 2008 campaign, a reported quarter mil.

And don't forget the scores of Congressmen who used our Taxdollars to pay off broads they raped and harassed to help their campaigns.

Trump used his own money, and that's admirable. The congressmen should have this money scratched back IMHO.