Do you believe Cohen or Trump?

[Crepitus]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

"If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence. "

Wouldnt that be more of a reason to tell the truth?

Apparently that's not how tRumpkins think.

 

[candycorn]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Wrong.

Even Fox News analyst Judge Napalitano broke down why this is damning for the President. An oversight is one thing. What Cohen and Trump did was set up a dummy corporation to handle the payment and reimbursement. That is an unlawful act to conceal.

 

[candycorn]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Wrong.

Apples and oranges. Trump and Cohen set up a corporation to handle the payments which is a clear attempt to conceal the source of the money and thus, a criminal act.

 

[dudmuck]

Let's take a look at Cohen, who proved to have lied during the investigation.

Cohen says he's oh so deeply sorry he got involved in Trump's most darkest of worlds. And the proof of that world of darkness? Ah shucks, the depths of Hell was hush money paid to a porn star.............Oh my, how fucking dark, Trump is Satan himself.

For those with a fucking brain, it's clear Cohen's statement was was part of a plea agreement for political causes. It's that or he figure he'd say it on his own expecting leniency, but I'll assume the former. Either way it supports what should be very clear to everyone, which is this investigation stinks and Cohen is creep. But I don't suspect many progressives can follow the logic.

I think Mueller is an experienced enough prosecutor to not take Cohens word on anything. Verify, verify, verify

Mueller is an experienced fuck up. He fucked up the Enron case, the conviction and destruction of Arthur Andersen was overturned by the Supreme Court. He fucked up the Anthrax case against Hatfill that allowed the perp to walk free and cost the taxpayers millions.

Truthfully, he doesn't stand a chance against President Trump.

Mueller fucked up so bad, the republican congress unanimously extended his term for two more years.

Did you know Hatfill was wrongfully accused?
What about Noriega and John Gotti?

 

[candycorn]

Its actually a moot point since there really wasn't any crime committed regarding the hush money payments to the bimbos.

Bingo. Long gone is the original justification for all of this, a counterintelligence probe to determine what and how much Russia was influencing our elections, and SECONDARILY, whether Trump had any hand in it, gone is the investigation of any crime for Mueller has no crime, for two years now this has morphed into an investigation of the man Trump himself in SEARCH of a crime. Now we are down to investigating his personal businesses back into the 1980s to see if he has any unpaid parking tickets.

Flynn, charged with a process crime that had nothing to do with the mandate of the investigation itself or Trump, merely uncovered along the way.

Now Cohen for doing something that at best cannot be proven Trump ordered or sanctioned, and even if he did, is a minor offense which will never rise to the level of impeachable even if the ragtag idiots on the Left try to go for it.

Wrong

It’s not “gone” at all. The multiple investigations into the multiple Trump scandals continues. Cohen’s sentencing, his interview, etc… are just he most recent twists into the scandals. Trump and his conspiring with Russian hackers is still being looked into.

 

[skews13]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

I believe Trump told Cohen to pay them the hush money and Cohen worked out how to do it I don't believe the two sat down and worked out the details together.

Cohen is no doubt an unreliable witness, because he is a proven liar. His testimony under oath corroborated by a second witness with direct knowledge under oath, constitutes credible evidence that can be presented in court, without the defense being able to successfully have it struck. It's questionable if this evidence alone can prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Probably not. So one can only assume the prosecutors of the Southern District of New York, have further evidence that could. I'll wait until I see that evidence to draw that conclusion. Knowing the political operator Steve Bannon was. There's no doubt in my mind, Trump, Bannon, Cohen, Weisselberg, Corsi, and others full well knew what was happening, and taking the steps to prevent the story from becoming public before the election.

 

[LaDexter]

Anyone who says they believe Cohen is not exactly believable....

 

[Asclepias]

Anyone who says they believe Cohen is not exactly believable....

Anyone that believes Drumpf is a scientifically proven fool.

 

[toobfreak]

Wrong It’s not “gone” at all. The multiple investigations into the multiple Trump scandals continues. Cohen’s sentencing, his interview, etc… are just he most recent twists into the scandals.

What scandal? That Trump knew Cohen? Bill Clinton knew Bill Cosby and OJ Simpson, does that make him a rapist and a murderer too? Oops, bad examples.

Trump and his conspiring with Russian hackers is still being looked into.

You mean those accusations that Mueller still hasn't a shred of proof of? Let me know when we get there, Sally.

 

[Papageorgio]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

"If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence. "

Wouldnt that be more of a reason to tell the truth?

Could be either way, he may have lied to get a deal, happens frequently.

 

[Papageorgio]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

Not really no. He's already been sentenced.

I understand however if he has found to withhold evidence or lie, they can make new charges. Most plea deals have conditions put on them.

 

[bripat9643]

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

And you base this on...Trump's hand up your ass?

No, I base it on facts, like his plea bargain, and Mueller's constant gloating about how he has his hand up Cohen's ass.

 

[LaDexter]

Anyone that believes Drumpf is a scientifically proven fool.

This from a member of the HILLARY CULT....

 

[bripat9643]

Cohen's statements are self-serving nonsense, but even if they were not, they have no bearing on any potential criminality on the part of Our Exalted President.

Cohen has claimed that Trump "knew that the payoffs were wrong."

What the fuck does that even mean? It is clear that such payoffs are entirely legal, and that even if they were politically motivated, they do not constitute campaign finance violations FOR THE CANDIDATE. In the worst, case President Trump would have to revise a finance disclosure and pay a fine. Big deal.

As for Trump's apparent denial of any advance knowledge of the payoffs (which were entirely different from one another), who cares? It was his own money, spent for his own benefit. So what?

Obama got hit for fines on 2 million or so for FEC violations.........did they prosecute him........Nope......he paid a fine and that was the end of it.

Double Standards.......

Minor transgressions that resulted in $350,000 in fines for missing filing dates and providing partial filings. McCain was also fined for similar actions

Trump won't be paying any fine, moron.

 

[harmonica]

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Obviously, but absent this type of undeniable proof I don't see how anyone can believe either of them.

And for the record unless it was campaign money I dont see what the big deal is.

and paying off those who might throw a monkey wrench into trumps election hopes is no big deal?

no it's not
so what if he got some action??
every man wants it

 

[bripat9643]

Both are liars...who do you believe?

If Cohen has tapes or documentation to support his claim, then I will tend to believe his version

Cohen is a puppet who has Mueller's hand shoved up his ass. His credibility is zero.

Cohen is a man who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. His only option was to turn on his boss. If all we have is Cohens claims of misdoings, be hard to prosecute
But if Lawyer Cohen covered his ass whole comitting crimes for Trump......Trump is in trouble

If Cohen had anything on Trump, they wouldn't be sentencing him. They do that only after the perp has testified in the other case. They have no leverage on him once he's sentenced.

 

[sparky]

Truth outta sodom & gomorrha.....? please.....none of you that can operate this soul sucking device are that niave.....~S~

 

[bripat9643]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

Not really no. He's already been sentenced.

I understand however if he has found to withhold evidence or lie, they can make new charges. Most plea deals have conditions put on them.

Mueller forced him to lie, so why would Mueller want that to come out in court?

 

[bripat9643]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has nothing left to gain or prove. He's already been sentenced. No reason to hide or lie any more.

tRump on the other hand still has to keep the faithful in line and is hoping to avoid impeachment and prison so he has every reason.

Lots of reason for Cohen to lie. Much of what he says is to minimize his involvement, plus his plea deal is based on implicating Trump. If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence.

Lots of reasons to lie.

"If Cohen is found to be deliberately lying to Mueller, then Mueller’s deal is off the table and he faces additional charges and a longer sentence. "

Wouldnt that be more of a reason to tell the truth?

Could be either way, he may have lied to get a deal, happens frequently.

He did lie to get a deal, he told the lie Mueller ordered him to tell.

 

[bripat9643]

Both have told different stories to different people. Neither are trustworthy imo.
Cohen imo is not a credible witness.

Cohen has tapes and corroborating witnesses (Pecker, Daniels, McDougal).

Trump isn't even sure what his lie is yet. He totally paid them off, but he never had sex with them.

You're insane if you believe those tapes will ever be used against Trump. They were obtained by violating attorney-client privilege.