Do Palestinians ever have the right of self-defence against Israel?

[Hollie]

You're sputtering. We have example after example of Islamic terrorists using civilians as human shields. We see it in Hamas’istan and we saw it in Lebanon when Israel responded to the Hezbollah terrorist attack.

So now she wants to provide sources? Okay, let's see what they say.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism...+as+human+shields+-+Photographic+evidence.htm

Of the 5 examples listed, none show any involvment by Hamas. But they do show Israeli forces bombing peoples homes, which is a war crime.
This one lists 2 examples (firing near UN school and UNRWA warehouse) that have already been debunked by the UN.

Eye-witnesses: Hamas used human shields in Gaza war - PMW Bulletins

I've already debunked this bullshit about the farm on another thread.

The Threat of the Human Shield Strategy Hamas Uses Extends Beyond Israel, Gaza - US News and World Report

This one to has been debunked as the UN found no evidence of hospitals being used as bunkers.

BTW, it was Israel who started the Lebanese war. IDF soldiers were on Lebanese soil at the time of the attack. And the whole thing began as a result of an extrajudicial killing by the Mossad.

You're having some difficulty with reading comprehension. For one example:

During the course of the Israeli operation against terrorists in the Gaza Strip (March 2008), Hamas repeatedly called upon Palestinian civilians to gather near buildings where they feared that the IDF was about to launch air-strikes against Hamas targets hidden within. The purpose of the civilian presence was to have them serve as human shields, exploiting the fact that the IDF avoids harming Palestinian civilians, even if it means aborting attacks on crucial terrorist infrastructure targets.

BTW, Your heroes (the Iranian stooges in Lebanon), preceded the attack on Israeli soldiers with diversionary rocket fire.

Revising history is a failed tactic.

 

[Hollie]

Your throw out words like "occupation" and "occupation forces" instead of saying "Israel" and "the IDF". You are no one to speak of cheap propaganda, here.

Once you start using PC statements, then you can come complaining to me.

The "occupation" is about Palestine, not Israel. And the IDF maintaining "effective control" of the West Bank and Gaza, is considered and "occupational force".

After 45 years of that shit, you ain't re-writing history on my watch.

There's no occupation of Palestine. making up history to appease your hatreds is a failed tactic.

 

[Billo_Really]

I suppose when your job is the promotion of hate and misery, there are risks associated with that career choice.



Gaza explosion kills militant leader

Articles about Palestinian Militant Groups - CNN

By Kevin Flower, CNN | January 14, 2012

An explosion at a home in the southern Gaza city of Rafah killed a leader of the Palestinian militant group, the Popular Resistance Committees,Saturday night, according to security and medical sources. Five other people were injured in the blast, the sources said. There was no immediate explanation for the cause of the explosion. The Israeli military spokesman's office said the explosion was a not a result of military activity. Israel holds the PRC responsible for planning a terror attack in southern Israel that killed eight Israeli citizens last August and the group participated in the operation resulting in the kidnapping of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2006.

Seeing how I have no argument against this example, let me take the time to applaud you on finally posting citations to back up your claims. Whether they prove your point or get shot down in flames (my favorite AC/DC song), what's important is the effort to an honest debate.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're having some difficulty with reading comprehension. For one example:

During the course of the Israeli operation against terrorists in the Gaza Strip (March 2008), Hamas repeatedly called upon Palestinian civilians to gather near buildings where they feared that the IDF was about to launch air-strikes against Hamas targets hidden within. The purpose of the civilian presence was to have them serve as human shields, exploiting the fact that the IDF avoids harming Palestinian civilians, even if it means aborting attacks on crucial terrorist infrastructure targets.

BTW, Your heroes (the Iranian stooges in Lebanon), preceded the attack on Israeli soldiers with diversionary rocket fire.

Revising history is a failed tactic.

Your videos didn't show Hamas doing that.

 

[Hollie]

I suppose when your job is the promotion of hate and misery, there are risks associated with that career choice.



Gaza explosion kills militant leader

Articles about Palestinian Militant Groups - CNN

By Kevin Flower, CNN | January 14, 2012

An explosion at a home in the southern Gaza city of Rafah killed a leader of the Palestinian militant group, the Popular Resistance Committees,Saturday night, according to security and medical sources. Five other people were injured in the blast, the sources said. There was no immediate explanation for the cause of the explosion. The Israeli military spokesman's office said the explosion was a not a result of military activity. Israel holds the PRC responsible for planning a terror attack in southern Israel that killed eight Israeli citizens last August and the group participated in the operation resulting in the kidnapping of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2006.

Seeing how I have no argument against this example, let me take the time to applaud you on finally posting citations to back up your claims. Whether they prove your point or get shot down in flames (my favorite AC/DC song), what's important is the effort to an honest debate.

You always have the option of taking the above as a work opportunity.

I post citations as required. The habit shared by you and a select few orthers of posting silly youtube infomercials for islamic terrorism tends to dull the value of your arguments.

 

[Hollie]

You're having some difficulty with reading comprehension. For one example:

During the course of the Israeli operation against terrorists in the Gaza Strip (March 2008), Hamas repeatedly called upon Palestinian civilians to gather near buildings where they feared that the IDF was about to launch air-strikes against Hamas targets hidden within. The purpose of the civilian presence was to have them serve as human shields, exploiting the fact that the IDF avoids harming Palestinian civilians, even if it means aborting attacks on crucial terrorist infrastructure targets.

BTW, Your heroes (the Iranian stooges in Lebanon), preceded the attack on Israeli soldiers with diversionary rocket fire.

Revising history is a failed tactic.

Your videos didn't show Hamas doing that.

A video is not required.

 

[Billo_Really]

There's no occupation of Palestine. making up history to appease your hatreds is a failed tactic.

The "occupation" is not a debatable issue.

But I will say, you

Can't Understand Normal Thinking!​

 

[Billo_Really]

A video is not required.

Then it's just a claim with no proof.

 

[Hollie]

There's no occupation of Palestine. making up history to appease your hatreds is a failed tactic.

The "occupation" is not a debatable issue.

But I will say, you

Can't Understand Normal Thinking!​

They're so cute when their arguments fail and their left with... vulgarity as their only option.

 

[Hollie]

A video is not required.

Then it's just a claim with no proof.

So here you are again. Left with no proof of your claim. Youtube'less and bankrupt.

 

[Hossfly]

It is NOT self defense to randomly fire rockets mortars and missiles at cities. Nor to locate your launch sites on the tops of residential buildings or the school yard. It is not self defense to load a man up with explosives and blow up pizza parlors, buses or shopping markets.

How about dropping a one ton bomb on an apartment building?

If the roof was a firing position. drop a 2 ton bomb on it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is NOT self defense to randomly fire rockets mortars and missiles at cities. Nor to locate your launch sites on the tops of residential buildings or the school yard. It is not self defense to load a man up with explosives and blow up pizza parlors, buses or shopping markets.

How about dropping a one ton bomb on an apartment building?

If the roof was a firing position. drop a 2 ton bomb on it.

Actually it wasn't.

Nice try at propaganda though.

 

[Billo_Really]

[
They're so cute when their arguments fail and their left with... vulgarity as their only option.

How can an argument fail, when there's no argument at all? There is no argument regarding the ongoing occupation of Palestinian land and you fuckin' whore's are not going to re-write history after 45 years of Israeli tyranny.

 

[Hollie]

How about dropping a one ton bomb on an apartment building?

If the roof was a firing position. drop a 2 ton bomb on it.

Actually it wasn't.

Nice try at propaganda though.

It was in 2009.

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch - Los Angeles Times

SDEROT, ISRAEL — Every day, the Hamas rocket teams sneak through the fire and fury of Gaza to launching sites such as trucks, rooftops, school courtyards and mosques.

Groups of three to five militants scramble to set up short-range Qassam rockets made in clandestine workshops in the Gaza Strip and longer-range Grads smuggled from Iran. Wary of Israeli jets hunting above the squalid urban maze, the rocket teams aim with the aid of Google Earth and landmarks such as the twin smokestacks of an Israeli power plant. The militants ignite the rockets and run; white smoke trails slash across the sky.

 

[Billo_Really]

It was in 2009.

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch - Los Angeles Times

SDEROT, ISRAEL — Every day, the Hamas rocket teams sneak through the fire and fury of Gaza to launching sites such as trucks, rooftops, school courtyards and mosques.

Groups of three to five militants scramble to set up short-range Qassam rockets made in clandestine workshops in the Gaza Strip and longer-range Grads smuggled from Iran. Wary of Israeli jets hunting above the squalid urban maze, the rocket teams aim with the aid of Google Earth and landmarks such as the twin smokestacks of an Israeli power plant. The militants ignite the rockets and run; white smoke trails slash across the sky.

End the occupation if you don't want rockets.

 

[Hollie]

It was in 2009.

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch - Los Angeles Times

SDEROT, ISRAEL — Every day, the Hamas rocket teams sneak through the fire and fury of Gaza to launching sites such as trucks, rooftops, school courtyards and mosques.

Groups of three to five militants scramble to set up short-range Qassam rockets made in clandestine workshops in the Gaza Strip and longer-range Grads smuggled from Iran. Wary of Israeli jets hunting above the squalid urban maze, the rocket teams aim with the aid of Google Earth and landmarks such as the twin smokestacks of an Israeli power plant. The militants ignite the rockets and run; white smoke trails slash across the sky.

End the occupation if you don't want rockets.

If Syria, Jordan and Egypt would take their citizens, problem solved.

If the alleged "occupation" overwhelms you so, why not go to the Middle East and fire some rockets into Israel on your own? It's cowardly to encourage others to do your Jew hating.

 

[ima]

It was in 2009.

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch - Los Angeles Times

SDEROT, ISRAEL — Every day, the Hamas rocket teams sneak through the fire and fury of Gaza to launching sites such as trucks, rooftops, school courtyards and mosques.

Groups of three to five militants scramble to set up short-range Qassam rockets made in clandestine workshops in the Gaza Strip and longer-range Grads smuggled from Iran. Wary of Israeli jets hunting above the squalid urban maze, the rocket teams aim with the aid of Google Earth and landmarks such as the twin smokestacks of an Israeli power plant. The militants ignite the rockets and run; white smoke trails slash across the sky.

End the occupation if you don't want rockets.

If Syria, Jordan and Egypt would take their citizens, problem solved.

If the alleged "occupation" overwhelms you so, why not go to the Middle East and fire some rockets into Israel on your own? It's cowardly to encourage others to do your Jew hating.

If Russia, the US, Germany, France, England, Canada, Ethiopia and all the other countries who sent Jews would take them back...

 

[Lipush]

Your throw out words like "occupation" and "occupation forces" instead of saying "Israel" and "the IDF". You are no one to speak of cheap propaganda, here.

Once you start using PC statements, then you can come complaining to me.

The "occupation" is about Palestine, not Israel. And the IDF maintaining "effective control" of the West Bank and Gaza, is considered and "occupational force".

After 45 years of that shit, you ain't re-writing history on my watch.

He was not pleased because he said that me using the word "Palestinian terrorist" did not suit the way he saw things. I was not happy because in every time it should have said "Israel" he used the word "occupation" and "IDF" became "occupation forces".

Niether of us are happy with the PC statements the other uses. I simply say we should overlook that if we're to have a normal discussion.

That is nothing that you should concern yourself with. So chill.

 

[Lipush]

It was in 2009.

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch - Los Angeles Times

SDEROT, ISRAEL — Every day, the Hamas rocket teams sneak through the fire and fury of Gaza to launching sites such as trucks, rooftops, school courtyards and mosques.

Groups of three to five militants scramble to set up short-range Qassam rockets made in clandestine workshops in the Gaza Strip and longer-range Grads smuggled from Iran. Wary of Israeli jets hunting above the squalid urban maze, the rocket teams aim with the aid of Google Earth and landmarks such as the twin smokestacks of an Israeli power plant. The militants ignite the rockets and run; white smoke trails slash across the sky.

End the occupation if you don't want rockets.

There is not even one SINGLE Israeli in the Gaza strip.

There is no need for sending missiles. There is a blockade because of the missiles and terror.

They don't want blockade? they don't want shortage? they don't want attacks?

Stop the rockets.

Not the other way around.

What you say is basically saying to a teenage girl, don't get out if you don't wanna be raped.

 

[ima]

It was in 2009.

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch

Hamas rocket teams continue to launch - Los Angeles Times

SDEROT, ISRAEL — Every day, the Hamas rocket teams sneak through the fire and fury of Gaza to launching sites such as trucks, rooftops, school courtyards and mosques.

Groups of three to five militants scramble to set up short-range Qassam rockets made in clandestine workshops in the Gaza Strip and longer-range Grads smuggled from Iran. Wary of Israeli jets hunting above the squalid urban maze, the rocket teams aim with the aid of Google Earth and landmarks such as the twin smokestacks of an Israeli power plant. The militants ignite the rockets and run; white smoke trails slash across the sky.

End the occupation if you don't want rockets.

There is not even one SINGLE Israeli in the Gaza strip.

There is no need for sending missiles. There is a blockade because of the missiles and terror.

They don't want blockade? they don't want shortage? they don't want attacks?

Stop the rockets.

Not the other way around.

What you say is basically saying to a teenage girl, don't get out if you don't wanna be raped.

It's more like don't rape if you don't want to be raped.