Criminalizing Lust?

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    1. The 17th and 18th century secular philosophers downplayed both the classical and the religious, but all agreed that virtues were important for the good life of individuals and for the well-being of both society and state. This influences the relationship between the character of the people, and the health of the polity. We no longer think of virtue as the classical virtues of wisdom, justice, temperance, and courage, or the Christian ones of faith, hope and charity, or even the Victorian ones of work, thrift, cleanliness, responsibility, self-discipline, perseverance, honesty and self-reliance. Generally, what comes to mind is the sexual connotations of chastity and marital fidelity.
    Himmelfarb, ““The De-Moralization of Society”


    2. If a child does not learn through observation, through family, school and church, behavior may be considered arbitrary, and he may endeavor to create rules of his own, based on reason. This secondary process can only be a self-excusatory rationalization for his desires: copulate freely, do not take on responsibility through marriage, do not respect or trust authority, demand governmental support, base political choices upon feelings rather than experience, don’t bother to learn a trade, and so on.
    David Mamet, ‘The Secret Knowledge”




    3. Every social practice is the expression of fundamental assumptions about what it means to be human. When a society accepts, endorses, and approves any practice, it implicitly commits itself to the accompanying worldview- even more so if the practice is enshrined in law, which tells us what society considers morally acceptable. One should be very careful of acceptance of worldviews that endorse a low view of human life. The secular view that separates humanity into segments, rather than integrates, does that.
    Pearsy, “Saving Leonardo.”






    4. “PARIS — More than a year after resigning in disgrace as the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, Dominique Strauss-Kahn is seeking… to throw out criminal charges in an inquiry into ties to a prostitution ring in northern France with the legal argument that the authorities are unfairly trying to “criminalize lust.”… clandestine practice in certain powerful circles of French society: secret soirees with lawyers, judges, police officials, journalists and musicians that start with a fine meal and end with naked guests and public sex with multiple partners…. followed Ms. Legrain to the bathroom, grabbing her and demanding sex…. While Mr. Strauss-Kahn awaits the outcome of his legal cases, he is shaping a new role for himself after being disowned by his Socialist party.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/w...-lust-is-not-a-crime.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



    5. It is very difficult for many people to acknowledge the low intellectual and moral level to which many professors and universities have fallen. On Feb. 21, the 600 Northwestern University students enrolled in the popular Human Sexuality course taught by professor John Michael Bailey were told that if they wished to stay after class -- it was clearly made optional -- they would see a live demonstration of female ejaculation, the subject of that day's class. A naked young woman (not a student) would demonstrate a "f---saw" and come to orgasm in front of the students. About 120 students stayed. …In Bailey's class and Mr. Cubbage's statement, we have reached the logical culmination of the '60s and '70s. Instead of studying Dead White European Males, students get to study a young white living female ejaculating with a f---saw…. For four years, the American college student is taught that human beings are animals…. the exhibition is no different than watching a female baboon having sex. http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2011/03/08/the_$50,000_orgasm/page/2
     
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    Criminalizing Lust?


    is (prostitution) a crime ?
     
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    While the premise of the OP is that secularism is based on a view of human beings as no different than animals, and should be expected to behave in the same vein.....

    ....you have put your finger on a major distinctions between human beings and the animal kingdom:

    ...paying for sex.
     
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    We graduated from rape to business transactions ?
     
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    Every time a rapist is prosecuted, lust has been criminalized. The danger is in conjoining lust with rights. Does someone have a right to engage in lustful conduct? Not so far. Lust is no defense to physical attack, although we might be moving in that direction.
     
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    Reproductive rights come pretty close to conjoining lust and rights.
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - God'll get ya fer dat...
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    Oct 17,`12 -- The first batch of men charged with being clients of a woman accused of turning her Zumba dance studio into a brothel included a former mayor and men from more than a dozen towns in Maine, as well as one each from Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
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    Oct 17, 2012 - No injuries, damage from 4.0 quake centered in Maine
     
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    How about the fact that public high schools.....children 13-14 years old and up....are encouraged to pick up condoms......

    What is the message in that imprimatur?
     
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    So....it seems that the OP is too...what?....abstruse?

    I found the defense of 'criminalizing lust' as darkly humorous.
    The college demonstration far less humorous.


    I was hoping to spotlight attempts by secular proponents to prioritize the rights of individuals, via equal attempts to marginalize the expectations that said options would be mitigated by a sense of morality.



    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
    John Adams
     
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    I get the gist of the OP. It does get confusing how different periods have viewed the teaching of sexuality to youngsters. I've always thought I was old fashioned because I believe that any form of transmitting the understanding of sexuality should rest with parents, and certainly not with schools. It turns out that different sections of society views that topic with remarkable variety, both currently and historically.

    As a parent of three young children I find the prospect terrifying. Not terrifying because I have any problem with explaining the "birds and bees" to my young ones. I'm okay with that. My terror comes in realizing the access to very damaging views of sexuality that kids are exposed to today. It's something I have to deal with, but it's troubling. Children don't seem to be allowed to be naive for a little before they are thrust into all of this.

    I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, just venting I suppose.
     
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