Cost Of Illegal Immigration Clock

[Third Party]

Actually the pissing match part is getting boring. You need to quit laying around in mommy's house and go the Hell to school.

I have to get out of here and get some real work done today. I'm not arguing with you. You've been dealt a serious spanking today and are too stupid to realize it. All Gdjjr and I need to do from here on out with this thread is to add to the beat down you were subjected to. When we point out that what you're for is control, nothing more need be said.

Sorry, my mother is dead-or do you have a wisecrack about that? What work are you going to do? Or is it a secret? So you and guitar are going to tag team me now? Good idea-two half wits are better than one. Control like beauty is in the eye of the beholder-I do not seek control, but I can see you are out of control.

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.[/QUOTE]
Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.[/QUOTE]

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.[/QUOTE]
Why do Democrat candidates keep saying they want to reduce illegal entry from a crime to a misdemeanor?

 

[Third Party]

Sorry, my mother is dead-or do you have a wisecrack about that? What work are you going to do? Or is it a secret? So you and guitar are going to tag team me now? Good idea-two half wits are better than one. Control like beauty is in the eye of the beholder-I do not seek control, but I can see you are out of control.

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs [sic] in WWII. ....

Japan did not invade the United States during WWII.

Aleutian islands?

 

[Third Party]

Actually the pissing match part is getting boring. You need to quit laying around in mommy's house and go the Hell to school.

I have to get out of here and get some real work done today. I'm not arguing with you. You've been dealt a serious spanking today and are too stupid to realize it. All Gdjjr and I need to do from here on out with this thread is to add to the beat down you were subjected to. When we point out that what you're for is control, nothing more need be said.

Sorry, my mother is dead-or do you have a wisecrack about that? What work are you going to do? Or is it a secret? So you and guitar are going to tag team me now? Good idea-two half wits are better than one. Control like beauty is in the eye of the beholder-I do not seek control, but I can see you are out of control.

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.[/QUOTE]
Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.[/QUOTE]

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.[/QUOTE]
Looked up the law:

1. Gaining illegal entry into the United States is a criminal offense. When an individual is caught illegally entering into the U.S., he/she will be returned to his/her country of citizenship. In addition, he/she may be issued a ban, which will prohibit him/her from entering into the United States for a specified period of time.
   

 

[Unkotare]

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs [sic] in WWII. ....

Japan did not invade the United States during WWII.

Aleutian islands?

Failed attempt at invasion.

 

[Third Party]

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs [sic] in WWII. ....

Japan did not invade the United States during WWII.

Aleutian islands?

Failed attempt at invasion.

Did plant their flag for a time.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Sorry, my mother is dead-or do you have a wisecrack about that? What work are you going to do? Or is it a secret? So you and guitar are going to tag team me now? Good idea-two half wits are better than one. Control like beauty is in the eye of the beholder-I do not seek control, but I can see you are out of control.

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs [sic] in WWII. ....

Japan did not invade the United States during WWII.

You are replying to the wrong poster. Our buddy Third Party made that claim.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

RESPONSE: I'm not here to impress you-too late nor even exchange posts with you personally-you just did. You have an inflated opinion of your worth-how would you know? on this discussion board - a real legend in your own mind.

When you answer a posting without reading it, you are proving the level of idiocy by which you operate from-no, it shows an advanced mind capable of accurate prediction. If you don't read the paragraphs I provide, someone else may read them. Then they get to see a 12 year old smart ass that thinks he knows all about the world versus posters like Gdjjr and figure out that you a fake, phony poseur with NO knowledge base to work from and NO facts to substantiate your case-ONLY YOUR OPINION-WHICH IS WHY I DON'T READ ALL YOUR STUFF.

Unable to stay on point - and the issue here is the alleged costs of undocumented immigrants, you switch to a nutty wall idea and when that didn't work out, you tried personal attacks. You've been exposed and we can now return to the topic at hand. No one knows all the costs, obvious and hidden of illegal aliens. But its more than YOU think.

The reality is - wall or no wall, the foreigners will continue to come here and new and novel approaches will be utilized to facilitate their entry into the United States. They are profitable-not proven for those who work, own businesses, AND they supply the drugs that our society believes they need in order to cope with life-like heroin and fentanyl Laws and walls have no impact on the supply and demand of foreigners that fill a void left by people too sorry and lazy to work-so you are calling your fellow Americans lazy and sorry? WOW!. Furthermore, as long as we keep creating drug addicts, the foreigners will find new and novel ways to supply them... BTW, the government is profiting off the drug trade as well, so don't think that stops because a wall gets put up. Then again, the people who worship a wall don't seek to solve any problem - real or perceived.

Like ACA, a wall is an incremental step. First tighten illegal entry law. Next, the wall. Next, better technology all along it. Next, more agents at the border. Next, interior roundup and deputizing American citizens to report illegals and their helpers. God bless America!

IF you have a point to make, you should make it. Yes, I called my fellow Americans lazy. HALF of them are dependent upon the government for at least part of their daily bread while Trump boasts that unemployment is down to under 3 percent (which is statistical ZERO.) Many of them are just like you: living off someone else, spending all day trying pick personal fights instead of doing something beneficial for your country.

Again, there is NO authority in the Constitution to do what you want done NOR IS THERE ANY LEGITIMATE REASON TO DO SO.

Since there ARE ways of determining approximate costs of foreigners being here, so are there ways of determining their approximate CONTRIBUTIONS. For example, if you have some home remodeling done and save - let us say 5 grand, then that value is in your home where the bank (which operates on fractional reserve banking) can then loan 20 grand more to people starting businesses and buying homes based off the value of your home. Remember, banks can loan 4 dollars for every 1 they hold in assets.

IF Bubba had over-charged you and you paid 5 grand more than you normally would, he would spend most of his money on junk made in China, Japan, etc. There are two columns in the ledger sheet.

Glad you are honest about the lazy comment-that is refreshing. Sorry to disappoint, but i worked for 50 years and now enjoy the fruits of that labor. When I did work, I saw the effects of illegals in the community. Besides the normal dirt, drugs and sex traffic, you had identity theft, burglary, and fraud. For every illegal you saw as upstanding, I saw three criminals(even tho technically they all are anyway. So your experiences and my experiences don't match. What a surprise. I tried to do something for my country several times-I called INS and ICE to pick up illegals. They said they could not or would not-what a game! So you keep patting them on the head and letting them in, and I will vouch for your character when you are locked up for aiding and abetting.

RESPONSE: Now you're retired. Earlier, you were 12. You need to go really slow and explain what it is you think you're accomplishing.

We live in a free nation. We cannot just go around picking up people without probable cause. That is why ICE turned you down. Of course, I ended up with the government trying to prosecute me on some of the legislation you lobbied for because you cannot understand the 14th Amendment. Then, because people like you disagreed with the concept of Liberty for all, a couple of wall worshipers tried to con the government into killing me. It almost worked.

You need to to the bank and get $50 then go to the dog pound and buy yourself a dog. You need to name that dog Life. That way you can say you have one.

At the end of the day, if I accept your argument at face value, if the United States Supreme Court declares that all undocumented foreigners can stay in the United States after paying a fine, any back taxes and registering as guest workers, you would be fine with their presence. Correct?

First, the 14th talks about citizens-not humans. Liberty for ALL American CITIZENS-not invaders. I don't know how you almost got killed, but that sounds overly dramatic. The last pet I had i had to put down-won't get another. Your last sentence is tough-if they stay and pay, will they be recognized as citizens or just their offspring?

RESPONSE:

1) The 14th Amendment talks about PERSONS. Every PERSON born or naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States and is entitled to government granted "privileges and immunities." ALL PERSONS (as differentiated from citizens) are granted Life, Liberty and Property" subject to Due Process of the law.

Citizen - granted unspecified immunities and privileges along with Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process

Person - granted Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process.

2) What happened to me was not overly dramatic. Cliff notes just for you:

A) I win an election to an office

B) Opponent didn't like the results; goes to work for a government agency as a Confidential Informant accusing me of a felony

C) Using the so - called "Patriot Act," a government agency hatched a plan to raid my home, kill me and claim I resisted arrest

D) News reporter gets wind of the plot and knows the allegations against me are total B.S. and blows the whistle on the government

E) The LEO that started the actions against me is dealt with in court

3) Without the 14th Amendment, non-whites will not be citizens in any generation - born here or not. Dred Scott v Sanford was a ruling that said, basically, the Constitution is a contract between we, the people and that entity called government. We, the people, were restricted to the white race.

So, with the 14th Amendment, what you want will NEVER happen. Nullify the 14th and non-whites are not citizens, but mere guests. HOWEVER, the states will retain the jurisdiction over foreigners as per the original intent of the Constitution.[/QUOTE]
First, if those are cliff notes, I'd hate to see the prose.
Due process to me says we honor the law about illegal aliens.
Too bad about your ordeal-can't help you there
You keep saying "what i want"-you don't KNOW. And you keep saying non-white and I keep saying illegal. Russians without papers are illegal aliens too and they ARE white.
What I want is work visas to deserving workers and deportation for illegal aliens. Period.[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: You got three years of litigation and headlines in less than ten sentences and you still bitch. Your IQ is lower than your shoe size.

The Constitution does not cover what you want done.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Sorry, my mother is dead-or do you have a wisecrack about that? What work are you going to do? Or is it a secret? So you and guitar are going to tag team me now? Good idea-two half wits are better than one. Control like beauty is in the eye of the beholder-I do not seek control, but I can see you are out of control.

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.[/QUOTE]

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.[/QUOTE]
Why do Democrat candidates keep saying they want to reduce illegal entry from a crime to a misdemeanor?[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: That makes no sense and Democrats could never say that. Crimes are misdemeanors and felonies. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor - the federal equivalent of an Improper U Turn. If they reduced the offense to anything lower, it wouldn't be an offense. You can't get any lower than it is without transferring interactions with foreigners back to the states where it belongs.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Sorry, my mother is dead-or do you have a wisecrack about that? What work are you going to do? Or is it a secret? So you and guitar are going to tag team me now? Good idea-two half wits are better than one. Control like beauty is in the eye of the beholder-I do not seek control, but I can see you are out of control.

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.[/QUOTE]

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.[/QUOTE]
Looked up the law:

1. Gaining illegal entry into the United States is a criminal offense. When an individual is caught illegally entering into the U.S., he/she will be returned to his/her country of citizenship. In addition, he/she may be issued a ban, which will prohibit him/her from entering into the United States for a specified period of time.

[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: No sir, it is not. You have your nose up Trump's ass. Ask HIS attorney:



You only want to believe those political propaganda prostitutes when they tell you what you want to hear, but before Trump got into wall worship, his own attorney was telling the truth.

 

[Third Party]

Like ACA, a wall is an incremental step. First tighten illegal entry law. Next, the wall. Next, better technology all along it. Next, more agents at the border. Next, interior roundup and deputizing American citizens to report illegals and their helpers. God bless America!

IF you have a point to make, you should make it. Yes, I called my fellow Americans lazy. HALF of them are dependent upon the government for at least part of their daily bread while Trump boasts that unemployment is down to under 3 percent (which is statistical ZERO.) Many of them are just like you: living off someone else, spending all day trying pick personal fights instead of doing something beneficial for your country.

Again, there is NO authority in the Constitution to do what you want done NOR IS THERE ANY LEGITIMATE REASON TO DO SO.

Since there ARE ways of determining approximate costs of foreigners being here, so are there ways of determining their approximate CONTRIBUTIONS. For example, if you have some home remodeling done and save - let us say 5 grand, then that value is in your home where the bank (which operates on fractional reserve banking) can then loan 20 grand more to people starting businesses and buying homes based off the value of your home. Remember, banks can loan 4 dollars for every 1 they hold in assets.

IF Bubba had over-charged you and you paid 5 grand more than you normally would, he would spend most of his money on junk made in China, Japan, etc. There are two columns in the ledger sheet.

Glad you are honest about the lazy comment-that is refreshing. Sorry to disappoint, but i worked for 50 years and now enjoy the fruits of that labor. When I did work, I saw the effects of illegals in the community. Besides the normal dirt, drugs and sex traffic, you had identity theft, burglary, and fraud. For every illegal you saw as upstanding, I saw three criminals(even tho technically they all are anyway. So your experiences and my experiences don't match. What a surprise. I tried to do something for my country several times-I called INS and ICE to pick up illegals. They said they could not or would not-what a game! So you keep patting them on the head and letting them in, and I will vouch for your character when you are locked up for aiding and abetting.

RESPONSE: Now you're retired. Earlier, you were 12. You need to go really slow and explain what it is you think you're accomplishing.

We live in a free nation. We cannot just go around picking up people without probable cause. That is why ICE turned you down. Of course, I ended up with the government trying to prosecute me on some of the legislation you lobbied for because you cannot understand the 14th Amendment. Then, because people like you disagreed with the concept of Liberty for all, a couple of wall worshipers tried to con the government into killing me. It almost worked.

You need to to the bank and get $50 then go to the dog pound and buy yourself a dog. You need to name that dog Life. That way you can say you have one.

At the end of the day, if I accept your argument at face value, if the United States Supreme Court declares that all undocumented foreigners can stay in the United States after paying a fine, any back taxes and registering as guest workers, you would be fine with their presence. Correct?

First, the 14th talks about citizens-not humans. Liberty for ALL American CITIZENS-not invaders. I don't know how you almost got killed, but that sounds overly dramatic. The last pet I had i had to put down-won't get another. Your last sentence is tough-if they stay and pay, will they be recognized as citizens or just their offspring?

RESPONSE:

1) The 14th Amendment talks about PERSONS. Every PERSON born or naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States and is entitled to government granted "privileges and immunities." ALL PERSONS (as differentiated from citizens) are granted Life, Liberty and Property" subject to Due Process of the law.

Citizen - granted unspecified immunities and privileges along with Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process

Person - granted Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process.

2) What happened to me was not overly dramatic. Cliff notes just for you:

A) I win an election to an office

B) Opponent didn't like the results; goes to work for a government agency as a Confidential Informant accusing me of a felony

C) Using the so - called "Patriot Act," a government agency hatched a plan to raid my home, kill me and claim I resisted arrest

D) News reporter gets wind of the plot and knows the allegations against me are total B.S. and blows the whistle on the government

E) The LEO that started the actions against me is dealt with in court

3) Without the 14th Amendment, non-whites will not be citizens in any generation - born here or not. Dred Scott v Sanford was a ruling that said, basically, the Constitution is a contract between we, the people and that entity called government. We, the people, were restricted to the white race.

So, with the 14th Amendment, what you want will NEVER happen. Nullify the 14th and non-whites are not citizens, but mere guests. HOWEVER, the states will retain the jurisdiction over foreigners as per the original intent of the Constitution.

First, if those are cliff notes, I'd hate to see the prose.
Due process to me says we honor the law about illegal aliens.
Too bad about your ordeal-can't help you there
You keep saying "what i want"-you don't KNOW. And you keep saying non-white and I keep saying illegal. Russians without papers are illegal aliens too and they ARE white.
What I want is work visas to deserving workers and deportation for illegal aliens. Period.[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: You got three years of litigation and headlines in less than ten sentences and you still bitch. Your IQ is lower than your shoe size.

The Constitution does not cover what you want done.[/QUOTE]
You don't know my shoe size.

 

[WillowTree]

I never plan to visit Mexico.



Mexico Travel Advisory

 

[Third Party]

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.[/QUOTE]
Why do Democrat candidates keep saying they want to reduce illegal entry from a crime to a misdemeanor?[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: That makes no sense and Democrats could never say that. Crimes are misdemeanors and felonies. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor - the federal equivalent of an Improper U Turn. If they reduced the offense to anything lower, it wouldn't be an offense. You can't get any lower than it is without transferring interactions with foreigners back to the states where it belongs.[/QUOTE]
At the debates a number of Democrats did say that-I remember Beto and Booker saying it.

 

[Third Party]

Son, if Gdjjr or I divided our IQ by 4 we'd still have 5 times the IQ you've displayed on this board. Whether you choose to lose or learn is up to you.

My work is simple. I have a ministry. I go out and solicit handyman jobs in the low income house district that are owned by retirees and those with a low income. Then I get guys that have little to no money - even the homeless to do the work. Low income people get their homes repaired for a modest price; the unemployed and homeless make a few dollars and our church provides a free service to both.

Anyone that don't kiss your ass and worship at the altar of the wall is out of control in your opinion. You cannot even focus on the topic at hand - which don't have squat to do with what you want. If you can't focus on the topic, there is no need for us to compare knowledge or IQ scores. You lose. You're incompetent and cannot stay on point. So, insult me all you want. You cannot change the facts. You don't pack the gear and nobody cares what you think. We're discussing the alleged costs of undocumented foreigners in the U.S. You can join the conversation or play the victim role.

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.[/QUOTE]
Looked up the law:

1. Gaining illegal entry into the United States is a criminal offense. When an individual is caught illegally entering into the U.S., he/she will be returned to his/her country of citizenship. In addition, he/she may be issued a ban, which will prohibit him/her from entering into the United States for a specified period of time.

[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: No sir, it is not. You have your nose up Trump's ass. Ask HIS attorney:



You only want to believe those political propaganda prostitutes when they tell you what you want to hear, but before Trump got into wall worship, his own attorney was telling the truth.[/QUOTE]
I got that right off the internet when I asked the question is illegal entry a crime? you better check YOUR sources. Save yourself some typing-Trump has nothing to do with this-I thought the wall was a good idea when Barry Goldwater proposed it and Hillary was a Goldwater girl.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

IF you have a point to make, you should make it. Yes, I called my fellow Americans lazy. HALF of them are dependent upon the government for at least part of their daily bread while Trump boasts that unemployment is down to under 3 percent (which is statistical ZERO.) Many of them are just like you: living off someone else, spending all day trying pick personal fights instead of doing something beneficial for your country.

Again, there is NO authority in the Constitution to do what you want done NOR IS THERE ANY LEGITIMATE REASON TO DO SO.

Since there ARE ways of determining approximate costs of foreigners being here, so are there ways of determining their approximate CONTRIBUTIONS. For example, if you have some home remodeling done and save - let us say 5 grand, then that value is in your home where the bank (which operates on fractional reserve banking) can then loan 20 grand more to people starting businesses and buying homes based off the value of your home. Remember, banks can loan 4 dollars for every 1 they hold in assets.

IF Bubba had over-charged you and you paid 5 grand more than you normally would, he would spend most of his money on junk made in China, Japan, etc. There are two columns in the ledger sheet.

Glad you are honest about the lazy comment-that is refreshing. Sorry to disappoint, but i worked for 50 years and now enjoy the fruits of that labor. When I did work, I saw the effects of illegals in the community. Besides the normal dirt, drugs and sex traffic, you had identity theft, burglary, and fraud. For every illegal you saw as upstanding, I saw three criminals(even tho technically they all are anyway. So your experiences and my experiences don't match. What a surprise. I tried to do something for my country several times-I called INS and ICE to pick up illegals. They said they could not or would not-what a game! So you keep patting them on the head and letting them in, and I will vouch for your character when you are locked up for aiding and abetting.

RESPONSE: Now you're retired. Earlier, you were 12. You need to go really slow and explain what it is you think you're accomplishing.

We live in a free nation. We cannot just go around picking up people without probable cause. That is why ICE turned you down. Of course, I ended up with the government trying to prosecute me on some of the legislation you lobbied for because you cannot understand the 14th Amendment. Then, because people like you disagreed with the concept of Liberty for all, a couple of wall worshipers tried to con the government into killing me. It almost worked.

You need to to the bank and get $50 then go to the dog pound and buy yourself a dog. You need to name that dog Life. That way you can say you have one.

At the end of the day, if I accept your argument at face value, if the United States Supreme Court declares that all undocumented foreigners can stay in the United States after paying a fine, any back taxes and registering as guest workers, you would be fine with their presence. Correct?

First, the 14th talks about citizens-not humans. Liberty for ALL American CITIZENS-not invaders. I don't know how you almost got killed, but that sounds overly dramatic. The last pet I had i had to put down-won't get another. Your last sentence is tough-if they stay and pay, will they be recognized as citizens or just their offspring?

RESPONSE:

1) The 14th Amendment talks about PERSONS. Every PERSON born or naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States and is entitled to government granted "privileges and immunities." ALL PERSONS (as differentiated from citizens) are granted Life, Liberty and Property" subject to Due Process of the law.

Citizen - granted unspecified immunities and privileges along with Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process

Person - granted Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process.

2) What happened to me was not overly dramatic. Cliff notes just for you:

A) I win an election to an office

B) Opponent didn't like the results; goes to work for a government agency as a Confidential Informant accusing me of a felony

C) Using the so - called "Patriot Act," a government agency hatched a plan to raid my home, kill me and claim I resisted arrest

D) News reporter gets wind of the plot and knows the allegations against me are total B.S. and blows the whistle on the government

E) The LEO that started the actions against me is dealt with in court

3) Without the 14th Amendment, non-whites will not be citizens in any generation - born here or not. Dred Scott v Sanford was a ruling that said, basically, the Constitution is a contract between we, the people and that entity called government. We, the people, were restricted to the white race.

So, with the 14th Amendment, what you want will NEVER happen. Nullify the 14th and non-whites are not citizens, but mere guests. HOWEVER, the states will retain the jurisdiction over foreigners as per the original intent of the Constitution.

First, if those are cliff notes, I'd hate to see the prose.
Due process to me says we honor the law about illegal aliens.
Too bad about your ordeal-can't help you there
You keep saying "what i want"-you don't KNOW. And you keep saying non-white and I keep saying illegal. Russians without papers are illegal aliens too and they ARE white.
What I want is work visas to deserving workers and deportation for illegal aliens. Period.

RESPONSE: You got three years of litigation and headlines in less than ten sentences and you still bitch. Your IQ is lower than your shoe size.

The Constitution does not cover what you want done.[/QUOTE]
You don't know my shoe size.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't matter. It's quite low when compared to an IQ score.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.

Why do Democrat candidates keep saying they want to reduce illegal entry from a crime to a misdemeanor?[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: That makes no sense and Democrats could never say that. Crimes are misdemeanors and felonies. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor - the federal equivalent of an Improper U Turn. If they reduced the offense to anything lower, it wouldn't be an offense. You can't get any lower than it is without transferring interactions with foreigners back to the states where it belongs.[/QUOTE]
At the debates a number of Democrats did say that-I remember Beto and Booker saying it.[/QUOTE]

Then Democrats are plain dumb. But, the Republicans are playing you too. Crimes come in two flavors: misdemeanors and felonies. Then you have civil law. Civil law covers a lot of things, but it also covers offenses that do not rise to the level of a crime.

An example would be an improper U Turn. An improper U Turn is an offense. You could pay a fine - even have to go to jail. But, an Improper U Turn is a civil offense. It is tried in traffic court and it does not go on your criminal record UNLESS you have repeated violations. It works the same way for Improper Entry which is found in a CIVIL CODE in the U.S. Code (the official laws of the United States.) IF the immigration officials catch you coming in, they can charge you with a host of immigration related crimes like eluding police, lying to LEOs, fake ID, etc. However, if an immigrant gets in the U.S. undetected, the United States Supreme Court has ruled it is not a crime to be in the United States without papers. It is a deportable offense (it's still against the law), but it just is not a crime.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It sounds like you are looking for a handout for your church or you are a wanna be Jimmy Carter. Don't want my ass kissed-I am not a perv. And call undocumented foreigners what they really are-ILLEGAL ALIENS! Undocumented foreigners are spies.

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.

Looked up the law:

1. Gaining illegal entry into the United States is a criminal offense. When an individual is caught illegally entering into the U.S., he/she will be returned to his/her country of citizenship. In addition, he/she may be issued a ban, which will prohibit him/her from entering into the United States for a specified period of time.

[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: No sir, it is not. You have your nose up Trump's ass. Ask HIS attorney:



You only want to believe those political propaganda prostitutes when they tell you what you want to hear, but before Trump got into wall worship, his own attorney was telling the truth.[/QUOTE]
I got that right off the internet when I asked the question is illegal entry a crime? you better check YOUR sources. Save yourself some typing-Trump has nothing to do with this-I thought the wall was a good idea when Barry Goldwater proposed it and Hillary was a Goldwater girl.[/QUOTE]

You can get a lot of shit off the Internet. Giuliani and I have an advantage: we worked in immigration law. Without your source telling where they get their information, they are are just shooting you a line of shit.

1) Improper Entry violations are not decided in a criminal court

2) Congress tried to change the wording of the offense from Improper Entry to Unlawful Entry. That legislation failed

3) In Title 8 USC 1325 the wording of the statute is IMPROPER ENTRY. This was previously explained to you and Title 8 is NOT the Criminal Code in the United States Code. Crimes are in Title 18 of the US Code

4) Immigration related crimes are mentioned in Title 8 USC 1325 and prosecuted under Title 18. IF Improper Entry were a crime, then Title 8 would not refer you to Title 18 of the US Code to prosecute the immigration related crimes. It wouldn't need to

5) Improper Entry is NOT listed as a crime in Title 18 of the US Code that covers Criminal Law

If you want to be IN this discussion, you're going to have to learn how to read. I don't argue with idiots. Quit being a sorry mother fucker and spend some time educating yourself or I will quit responding to you.

Here is what I found out about Goldwater:

"Barry Goldwater jotted down some thoughts on where his beloved Arizona would be in 50 years. On immigration and Mexico, he said:

Our ties with Mexico will be much more firmly established in 2012 because, sometime within the next 50 years, the Mexican border will become as the Canadian border, a free one, with the formalities and red tape of ingress and egress cut to a minimum so that the residents of both countries can travel back and forth across the line as if it were not there."

Barry Goldwater’s vision of open borders

 

[Third Party]

Glad you are honest about the lazy comment-that is refreshing. Sorry to disappoint, but i worked for 50 years and now enjoy the fruits of that labor. When I did work, I saw the effects of illegals in the community. Besides the normal dirt, drugs and sex traffic, you had identity theft, burglary, and fraud. For every illegal you saw as upstanding, I saw three criminals(even tho technically they all are anyway. So your experiences and my experiences don't match. What a surprise. I tried to do something for my country several times-I called INS and ICE to pick up illegals. They said they could not or would not-what a game! So you keep patting them on the head and letting them in, and I will vouch for your character when you are locked up for aiding and abetting.

RESPONSE: Now you're retired. Earlier, you were 12. You need to go really slow and explain what it is you think you're accomplishing.

We live in a free nation. We cannot just go around picking up people without probable cause. That is why ICE turned you down. Of course, I ended up with the government trying to prosecute me on some of the legislation you lobbied for because you cannot understand the 14th Amendment. Then, because people like you disagreed with the concept of Liberty for all, a couple of wall worshipers tried to con the government into killing me. It almost worked.

You need to to the bank and get $50 then go to the dog pound and buy yourself a dog. You need to name that dog Life. That way you can say you have one.

At the end of the day, if I accept your argument at face value, if the United States Supreme Court declares that all undocumented foreigners can stay in the United States after paying a fine, any back taxes and registering as guest workers, you would be fine with their presence. Correct?

First, the 14th talks about citizens-not humans. Liberty for ALL American CITIZENS-not invaders. I don't know how you almost got killed, but that sounds overly dramatic. The last pet I had i had to put down-won't get another. Your last sentence is tough-if they stay and pay, will they be recognized as citizens or just their offspring?

RESPONSE:

1) The 14th Amendment talks about PERSONS. Every PERSON born or naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States and is entitled to government granted "privileges and immunities." ALL PERSONS (as differentiated from citizens) are granted Life, Liberty and Property" subject to Due Process of the law.

Citizen - granted unspecified immunities and privileges along with Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process

Person - granted Life, Liberty, Property subject to Due Process.

2) What happened to me was not overly dramatic. Cliff notes just for you:

A) I win an election to an office

B) Opponent didn't like the results; goes to work for a government agency as a Confidential Informant accusing me of a felony

C) Using the so - called "Patriot Act," a government agency hatched a plan to raid my home, kill me and claim I resisted arrest

D) News reporter gets wind of the plot and knows the allegations against me are total B.S. and blows the whistle on the government

E) The LEO that started the actions against me is dealt with in court

3) Without the 14th Amendment, non-whites will not be citizens in any generation - born here or not. Dred Scott v Sanford was a ruling that said, basically, the Constitution is a contract between we, the people and that entity called government. We, the people, were restricted to the white race.

So, with the 14th Amendment, what you want will NEVER happen. Nullify the 14th and non-whites are not citizens, but mere guests. HOWEVER, the states will retain the jurisdiction over foreigners as per the original intent of the Constitution.

First, if those are cliff notes, I'd hate to see the prose.
Due process to me says we honor the law about illegal aliens.
Too bad about your ordeal-can't help you there
You keep saying "what i want"-you don't KNOW. And you keep saying non-white and I keep saying illegal. Russians without papers are illegal aliens too and they ARE white.
What I want is work visas to deserving workers and deportation for illegal aliens. Period.

RESPONSE: You got three years of litigation and headlines in less than ten sentences and you still bitch. Your IQ is lower than your shoe size.

The Constitution does not cover what you want done.

You don't know my shoe size.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't matter. It's quite low when compared to an IQ score.[/QUOTE]
You don't know my IQ score-bet its higher than yours!

 

[Third Party]

If I called undocumented foreigners "illegal aliens," I'd have to refer to you as a raging idiot. This where I part company with racists.

1) All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers. Consequently the legal status of any human being must be determined BEFORE you can call them illegal any freaking thing

2) There is NO provision in the Constitution of the United States giving the federal government any authority over foreigners unless and until they decide to become citizens. Now, personally, I think that the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified. Nevertheless, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons (as differentiated from citizens) a government granted right to Liberty. There is no authority to infringe upon the Liberty of others

3) The 14th Amendment makes no distinction as to a person's immigration status (sic) when doling out the government grant of Liberty.

I don't ask for handouts from a swinging soul. I've been involved in the church since the mid 1970s. We have never passed a collection plate nor solicited for money for any reason. You kept asking the same question. I give you an answer and you use that for another of your stupid allegations - crap you would never say to any person face to face.

Calm down-I am not even trying to bug you, but I do disagree with some of your views. I do not consider an illegal alien a "person". I consider them a foreign invader-just like the Japs in WWII. I have to go read the 14th amendment to reply to the rest of your post.

Disagreeing with my viewpoints is perfectly acceptable in a civil discourse. Now let us talk FACTS. According to the legal terminology, the term invasion means:

"INVASION. The entry of a country by a public enemy, making war.
2. The Constitution of the United States, art. 1, s. 8, gives power to
congress "to provide for calling the militia to execute the laws of the
Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

Taking advantage of the free market economy is not waging war. So your opinion is not fact. It is in error. IF this were a war, Trump would be required to seek a Declaration of War.

IF you don't believe that undocumented foreigners are "persons," then you will be happy to know that even my point of view favors your opinion at times. In Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, non-whites are considered only three fifths of a person. Without the 14th Amendment, undocumented foreigners - as well as Blacks - would not be a "person." Right now, however, they are. The mishmash of laws on the books and contradictory statutes make your position untenable at the moment. Maybe you should study the 14th Amendment... particularly that part where it was illegally ratified.

Invader- 1. One who invades; an assailant; an encroacher; an intruder. Tomato Tomoto.
Taking advantage-well put-but not acceptable.
Did read it, I feel justified in my views. Especially since the law calls illegals illegal.
And FYI, my rambling style is used to answer all your questions, tho not always in order-some find it hard to get used to.

The law says no such thing. It don't even refer to it as a crime. People come here and IF they're caught, it is improper entry. The United States Supreme Court ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

Legal definitions are not subject to a layman's dictionary. I cited from a legal dictionary. Guess which one a judge would rely on.

Why do Democrat candidates keep saying they want to reduce illegal entry from a crime to a misdemeanor?

RESPONSE: That makes no sense and Democrats could never say that. Crimes are misdemeanors and felonies. Improper Entry is a federal civil misdemeanor - the federal equivalent of an Improper U Turn. If they reduced the offense to anything lower, it wouldn't be an offense. You can't get any lower than it is without transferring interactions with foreigners back to the states where it belongs.[/QUOTE]
At the debates a number of Democrats did say that-I remember Beto and Booker saying it.[/QUOTE]

Then Democrats are plain dumb. But, the Republicans are playing you too. Crimes come in two flavors: misdemeanors and felonies. Then you have civil law. Civil law covers a lot of things, but it also covers offenses that do not rise to the level of a crime.

An example would be an improper U Turn. An improper U Turn is an offense. You could pay a fine - even have to go to jail. But, an Improper U Turn is a civil offense. It is tried in traffic court and it does not go on your criminal record UNLESS you have repeated violations. It works the same way for Improper Entry which is found in a CIVIL CODE in the U.S. Code (the official laws of the United States.) IF the immigration officials catch you coming in, they can charge you with a host of immigration related crimes like eluding police, lying to LEOs, fake ID, etc. However, if an immigrant gets in the U.S. undetected, the United States Supreme Court has ruled it is not a crime to be in the United States without papers. It is a deportable offense (it's still against the law), but it just is not a crime.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, between the definition of illegal entry as a crime and the dems saying it, it seems compelling. To me, breaking and entering is a crime, unless your're in California.

 

[Third Party]

Looked up the law:

1. Gaining illegal entry into the United States is a criminal offense. When an individual is caught illegally entering into the U.S., he/she will be returned to his/her country of citizenship. In addition, he/she may be issued a ban, which will prohibit him/her from entering into the United States for a specified period of time.

[/QUOTE]

RESPONSE: No sir, it is not. You have your nose up Trump's ass. Ask HIS attorney:



You only want to believe those political propaganda prostitutes when they tell you what you want to hear, but before Trump got into wall worship, his own attorney was telling the truth.[/QUOTE]
I got that right off the internet when I asked the question is illegal entry a crime? you better check YOUR sources. Save yourself some typing-Trump has nothing to do with this-I thought the wall was a good idea when Barry Goldwater proposed it and Hillary was a Goldwater girl.[/QUOTE]

You can get a lot of shit off the Internet. Giuliani and I have an advantage: we worked in immigration law. Without your source telling where they get their information,
1) Improper Entry violations are not decided in a criminal court

2) Congress tried to change the wording of the offense from Improper Entry to Unlawful Entry. That legislation failed

3) In Title 8 USC 1325 the wording of the statute is IMPROPER ENTRY. This was previously explained to you and Title 8 is NOT the Criminal Code in the United States Code. Crimes are in Title 18 of the US Code

4) Immigration related crimes are mentioned in Title 8 USC 1325 and prosecuted under Title 18. IF Improper Entry were a crime, then Title 8 would not refer you to Title 18 of the US Code to prosecute the immigration related crimes. It wouldn't need to

5) Improper Entry is NOT listed as a crime in Title 18 of the US Code that covers Criminal Law

If you want to be IN this discussion, you're going to have to learn how to read. I don't argue with idiots. Quit being a sorry mother fucker and spend some time educating yourself or I will quit responding to you.

Here is what I found out about Goldwater:TRY READING HIS STANCE IN THE 1964 ELECTION.

"Barry Goldwater jotted down some thoughts on where his beloved Arizona would be in 50 years. On immigration and Mexico, he said:

Our ties with Mexico will be much more firmly established in 2012 because, sometime within the next 50 years, the Mexican border will become as the Canadian border, a free one, with the formalities and red tape of ingress and egress cut to a minimum so that the residents of both countries can travel back and forth across the line as if it were not there."

Barry Goldwater’s vision of open borders[/QUOTE]
Well, you can quit responding to me, because I am NOT going to read any more at your behest. And since I don't take your insults seriously, you can save them for somebody else. And I shortened the post some to make for easier reading. Your're welcome.

 

[toobfreak]

This is where our tax money is being wasted by liberals. OAN News network shows this every hour.
$8-9 thousand a second.
The Cost of Illegal Immigration Clock

B-But, Hoss! We just cannot afford 20 billion to build a righteous wall to curb most of this!