Will Trump lead a coalition to open the Hormuz Strait? (Poll)

Will Britain form a willing coalition, including the US to militarily open the strait of Hormuz?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 15 75.0%

  • Total voters
    20
Kuwait and another country just lifted their restrictions on the US, so Project Freedom should be back to escorting tankers thru Hormuz this weekend.
So, it's not open. Ok. And no, given how brave three US destroyers flee away from superior Iranian forces and how those Iranian forces captured Ocean Koi tanker, and how Iran more than doubled the railroad traffic with China (say nothing about sea-river trade routes with Russia)....
I very doubt that the next attempt of deblockade will be somehow successful.
 
So, it's not open. Ok. And no, given how brave three US destroyers flee away from superior Iranian forces and how those Iranian forces captured Ocean Koi tanker, and how Iran more than doubled the railroad traffic with China (say nothing about sea-river trade routes with Russia)....I very doubt that the next attempt of de-blockade will be somehow successful.
Where do you get your news? The Iranian speedboats were destroyed. No damage to any of the three Us destroyers.

As for those rail and river routes, watch what happens to any bridges they need.

If the US "Project Freedom" gets ships moving thru Hormuz Iran's blockade is defeated.
 
Where do you get your news? The Iranian speedboats were destroyed. No damage to any of the three Us destroyers.
Or, that was just Trump's words. And we both know better than believe him.

As for those rail and river routes, watch what happens to any bridges they need.
And what? Those routes are active and even more effective than earlier.

If the US "Project Freedom" gets ships moving thru Hormuz Iran's blockade is defeated.
Very big "IF". And given that US destroyers preferred to leave Hormuz strait, I think that US Navy is much more interested in its own safety rather than in "defeating Iran".
 
Or, that was just Trump's words. And we both know better than believe him.
Trump exaggerates, but nowhere near as much as Iran.
And what? Those routes are active and even more effective than earlier.
If the bridges are down, nothing moves.
Very big "IF". And given that US destroyers preferred to leave Hormuz strait, I think that US Navy is much more interested in its own safety rather than in "defeating Iran".
Keep watching. If Project Freedom doesn't open Hormuz soon I'll be very disappointed.
 
Trump exaggerates, but nowhere near as much as Iran.
May be. May be not.

If the bridges are down, nothing moves.
Good luck with downing all the bridges, especially with cruise missile number as low, as it now.

Keep watching. If Project Freedom doesn't open Hormuz soon I'll be very disappointed.
Ok. And what will you do when you are disappointed? Vote for democrats at midterms, as if it might change a thing?
 
Good luck with downing all the bridges, especially with cruise missile number as low, as it now.
Smart bombs work just fine and are much cheaper
Ok. And what will you do when you are disappointed? Vote for democrats at midterms, as if it might change a thing?
If Project Freedom gets delayed or canceled it would be because one of the Gulf states objected like before.
I voted democrat for Bill Clinton but not after that.
So you would be a democrat here? Probably a Mamdani fan? Throw Israel under the bus?
 
Smart bombs work just fine and are much cheaper
To use bombs you should control the skies. And you are not even close.

If Project Freedom gets delayed or canceled it would be because one of the Gulf states objected like before.
Not necessarily. It might e simply because you doesn't posses enough of forces.

I voted democrat for Bill Clinton but not after that.
So you would be a democrat here?
As if they are somehow different from Republicans. If (very big IF) I'm forced to leave Russia and go to America, and there I'm forced to be a politician I'd rather work on uniting American people, not dividing them. Without the true union, everything else is absolutely worthless.

Probably a Mamdani fan? Throw Israel under the bus?
No. Something like not getting both US and Israel in the troubles in the first place. What is, may be, even more important, I'd prefer to be pragmatic, and, if necessary, allow Israel to change it's protector. You know, like in the Solomon's problem with true mother, preferring her child to live as a child of another woman.
 
To use bombs you should control the skies. And you are not even close.
We disagree on that.
Not necessarily. It might e simply because you doesn't posses enough of forces.
Possibly to keep tankers moving 24 hours a day all 7 days a week. I'm not sure if big tankers need to move only at high tide?
As if they are somehow different from Republicans. If (very big IF) I'm forced to leave Russia and go to America, and there I'm forced to be a politician I'd rather work on uniting American people, not dividing them. Without the true union, everything else is absolutely worthless.
Unions are problems. They sometimes can be unreasonable. That's why "right to work" states without unions get more jobs.
No. Something like not getting both US and Israel in the troubles in the first place. What is, may be, even more important, I'd prefer to be pragmatic, and, if necessary, allow Israel to change it's protector. You know, like in the Solomon's problem with true mother, preferring her child to live as a child of another woman.
Ungrateful. For all the support over many decades. Then again. We'd be saving lots of money...
 
We disagree on that.
Your disagreement can't help you to bomb the bridges.

Possibly to keep tankers moving 24 hours a day all 7 days a week.
Really? A little bet? If Hormuz strait is still not open in two months - you buy $100 worth alcohol, give it to the random people on streets (or anywhere else) and ask them to drink for the health of Zavulon.
Unions are problems. They sometimes can be unreasonable. That's why "right to work" states without unions get more jobs.
I don't say about "trade unions". First of all, I'd talk about deeper integration of the states in the USA and decreasing their independence with their own police services and national guards. Of course, I do understand that the both political parties, as well as governors of the states, and main sponsors of all politicians will be strictly against this transformation (however good and necessary for ordinary people it would be).
It might demand some pretty creative approach.

Ungrateful. For all the support over many decades. Then again. We'd be saving lots of money...
Ha-ha. Let's wait for what will you tell about Ukrainian militants fleeing in the USA after defeat of Kievan regime.
 
Really? A little bet? If Hormuz strait is still not open in two months - you buy $100 worth alcohol, give it to the random people on streets (or anywhere else) and ask them to drink for the health of Zavulon.
Okay, a theoretical bet.
We both "theoretically" buy a round of drinks for the bar if Hormuz is not open I buy, if it is open you buy and toast kyzr...
July 9th (or sooner) is the deadline...
I don't say about "trade unions". First of all, I'd talk about deeper integration of the states in the USA and decreasing their independence with their own police services and national guards. Of course, I do understand that the both political parties, as well as governors of the states, and main sponsors of all politicians will be strictly against this transformation (however good and necessary for ordinary people it would be).
It might demand some pretty creative approach.
Are you saying eliminate local police in favor of all federal police? That would never happen here.
Federal police enforce federal law, state police enforce state laws, and local police enforce local laws.
Ha-ha. Let's wait for what will you tell about Ukrainian militants fleeing in the USA after defeat of Kiev's regime.
I thought we were discussing Israel? see post #48
 
Okay, a theoretical bet.
We both "theoretically" buy a round of drinks for the bar if Hormuz is not open I buy, if it is open you buy and toast kyzr...
July 9th (or sooner) is the deadline...
With the video proof, of course. Not necessarily show your face or voice, if you want to stay incognito, but faces of people who drink and toast should be visible. Is it ok?

Are you saying eliminate local police in favor of all federal police? That would never happen here.
It's not that we are going to take all local sheriffs, shoot them in the backs of their heads and dig somewhere in forests. It's rather certification, subordination and funding, may be on the base of FBI. I do understand that it will be very difficult, but it can be done.

Federal police enforce federal law, state police enforce state laws, and local police enforce local laws.
No more "local laws" at all, very few "state laws" (more regulations, than laws), all laws are federal and codified (no more "precedent" laws). The laws should be just, logical, simple, clean and to be understandable by everyone.

I thought we were discussing Israel? see post #48
Yep. And if you think that the Jews are ungrateful, just wait until Ukrainians show their nature.
 
With the video proof, of course. Not necessarily show your face or voice, if you want to stay incognito, but faces of people who drink and toast should be visible. Is it ok?
No. Its a theoretical bet, not real.
It's not that we are going to take all local sheriffs, shoot them in the backs of their heads and dig somewhere in forests. It's rather certification, subordination and funding, may be on the base of FBI. I do understand that it will be very difficult, but it can be done.
In Russia maybe, but not here.
No more "local laws" at all, very few "state laws" (more regulations, than laws), all laws are federal and codified (no more "precedent" laws). The laws should be just, logical, simple, clean and to be understandable by everyone.
Not here. Maybe you saw what happened in the EU with Sharia Law?
Yep. And if you think that the Jews are ungrateful, just wait until Ukrainians show their nature.
ok
 
No. Its a theoretical bet, not real.

And at July 9, you'll say that Hormuz strait is theoretically open... Right? I believe that reality is important.
In Russia maybe, but not here.
It works in most civilised countries.

Not here. Maybe you saw what happened in the EU with Sharia Law?
And did you see what happened in Minnesota and California with all those local policemen?
 
And at July 9, you'll say that Hormuz strait is theoretically open... Right? I believe that reality is important.
Its either open, or open via escorts, or you win because its still closed.
And did you see what happened in Minnesota and California with all those local policemen?
You don't mean local cops you mean Federal ICE agents because local politicians won't let local police help ICE.
 
Will Britain cobble together a willing coalition, including the US to militarily open the strait of Hormuz?

I do not think the EU has the ability to defend itself, carry out an aggression. Europeans now are fodder, only good for exploitation and then sitting down trying to negotiate some settlement with their attackers.

Europe would rather die for lack of oil than to form a coalition to open Hormuz because it would make them appear to be siding with that Orange Devil Trump.
 
I do not think the EU has the ability to defend itself, carry out an aggression. Europeans now are fodder, only good for exploitation and then sitting down trying to negotiate some settlement with their attackers.

Europe would rather die for lack of oil than to form a coalition to open Hormuz because it would make them appear to be siding with that Orange Devil Trump.
For all their complaining about President Trump, their apparent lack of concern about the oil shortage shows perfect confidence the US will save them once again.
 
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For all their complaining about President Trump, their apparent lack of concern about the oil shortage shows perfect confidence the US will save them once again.

If that is the case and Trump can demonstrate how their indifference actually contributed to the situation then Trump should be in his rights to tack on an additional tariff onto the cost of the oil until the UK or EU has paid us back for their fair share of the cost of our military bailing them out.

No more free lunches.
 
Its either open, or open via escorts, or you win because its still closed.
It's "open" if there is no need of escorts at all and if Iran doesn't collect tolls. "Status quo ante". If Iran collect tolls - its "under internationally recognised Iran control". If amount of ships, occasionally succesfully going through is lesser than 10% of pre-war amount - its "effectively closed". Do you accept those definitions? And if real $100 is too much for you, it might be $10, but real, noth "theoretical".

You don't mean local cops you mean Federal ICE agents because local politicians won't let local police help ICE.
Exactly. Local cops, creating obstacles to federal agents.... Something really insane by the measures of any civilized country. Today local cops create obstacles to the federal agents and tomorrow"Volunteers Battalion Mississippi" will go in Minnesota to kill migrants and local cops, and here we are - in the middle of a civil war. And to prevent things like this, my hypothetical party, United America, would take all local cops, all National Guard units, and all non-government armed organisations (like NRA) under Federal control.
 
It's "open" if there is no need of escorts at all and if Iran doesn't collect tolls. "Status quo ante". If Iran collect tolls - its "under internationally recognised Iran control". If amount of ships, occasionally successfully going through is lesser than 10% of pre-war amount - its "effectively closed". Do you accept those definitions? And if real $100 is too much for you, it might be $10, but real, not "theoretical".
Open with escorts and no tolls is open, that is the definition of Project Freedom, agree there needs to be near normal traffic volume to be open. If Iran is charging tolls its closed.
There is no way we're exchanging cash, its a theoretical bet, just for bragging rights.

Exactly. Local cops, creating obstacles to federal agents.... Something really insane by the measures of any civilized country. Today local cops create obstacles to the federal agents and tomorrow"Volunteers Battalion Mississippi" will go in Minnesota to kill migrants and local cops, and here we are - in the middle of a civil war. And to prevent things like this, my hypothetical party, United America, would take all local cops, all National Guard units, and all non-government armed organisations (like NRA) under Federal control.
We wouldn't need "Mississippi Volunteers" to go to MN, to kill migrants, that state is getting close to having troops head there to lay the law down. Their voting system is a total mess. They let people "vouch" for someone like illegals on election day to let them vote. Totally illegal. Voter rolls need to be verified before election day.
 
Open with escorts and no tolls is open, that is the definition of Project Freedom, agree there needs to be near normal traffic volume to be open.
Ok. "Open with escort" means "open" if number of the cargo ships going through the strait is no less than 50% of the pre-war level.

If Iran is charging tolls its closed.
There is no way we're exchanging cash, its a theoretical bet, just for bragging rights.
Of course, we are not exchanging cash. But reality is important. If you lose, you take real $10, come in a real bar or a store, buy real alcohol and give it to real people (who are neither your friends nor relatives), who really drink it, toasting Zavulon, and you download the video of the process here, making it publically aviable. Do you agree? People learn better when the money they pay for the knowledge are real. One of the reasons why I prefer to buy real books, lose real money in bets and pay good money to teachers.

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We wouldn't need "Mississippi Volunteers" to go to MN, to kill migrants, that state is getting close to having troops head there to lay the law down. Their voting system is a total mess. They let people "vouch" for someone like illegals on election day to let them vote. Totally illegal. Voter rolls need to be verified before election day.
May be. But isn't it much better to have federal police to prevent massive and systematic violation of laws, rather than send Federal troops to kill local criminals and affiliated with them cops and National Guard?
 
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