"It’s clear Trump’s plan to take control of the Strait of Hormuz wasn’t well thought out."

[Zavulon]

Israel was justified in retaliating against Palestinian mass kidnappings and murders. The US is also justified in retaliating against those moronic Muslim murderers and their moronic supporters for murdering US servicemen and citizens overseas and at home.

And Palestinians (say nothing about Arabs and Iranians) are justified in retaliation against Israel and the USA.

 

[markef]

And Palestinians (say nothing about Arabs and Iranians) are justified in retaliation against Israel and the USA.

Thank God He is never fooled into believing the attackers are victims and their victims are the unjust attackers.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So, Iran supported certain groups in Lebadon financially which is "Soft Power", and Israel invaded Lebadon militarily, commiting certain acts of genocide, which is "Hard Power". They are not equal.

As the article states the ayatollahs chose Hezbollah over Amal because they could control Hezbollah but couldn't control Amal, and the ayatollahs armed and trained Hezbollah to attack Israel causing all the suffering for the last 40 years for both states and now rendering Lebanon a failed state.

All of Israel's invasions of Lebanon have been in response to attacks from Lebanese soil, first by the PLO, and then by Hezbollah at the ayatollahs' command.

The false claims that Israel was complicit in the massacres in the refugee camps is based solely on one reporter's claim Israel soldiers were close enough to hear what was going on during the massacres. Next you'll be claiming that Jews use the blood of Arab children to make Passover matzo.

 

[Zavulon]

As the article states the ayatollahs chose Hezbollah over Amal because they could control Hezbollah but couldn't control Amal, and the ayatollahs armed and trained Hezbollah to attack Israel causing all the suffering for the last 40 years for both states and now rendering Lebanon a failed state.

All of Israel's invasions of Lebanon have been in response to attacks from Lebanese soil, first by the PLO, and then by Hezbollah at the ayatollahs' command.

The false claims that Israel was complicit in the massacres in the refugee camps is based solely on one reporter's claim Israel soldiers were close enough to hear what was going on during the massacres. Next you'll be claiming that Jews use the blood of Arab children to make Passover matzo.

If you blame Iran for the "crimes" of Hezbollah, you should also blame Israel for the crimes of phalangists.
Hezbollah are local guys, as well as PLO, and most of Israeli guys are foreign invaders.
I don't know what exactly one little Jew Epstain (alongside with some American "Christians") have been doing on his island. May be, there was some cooking, too. I don't blame all Jews, but certain groups among them are definitely criminal.

 

[eagle1462010]

And Palestinians (say nothing about Arabs and Iranians) are justified in retaliation against Israel and the USA.

Then we can kill them all.

Cool.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If you blame Iran for the "crimes" of Hezbollah, you should also blame Israel for the crimes of phalangists.
Hezbollah are local guys, as well as PLO, and most of Israeli guys are foreign invaders.
I don't know what exactly one little Jew Epstain (alongside with some American "Christians") have been doing on his island. May be, there was some cooking, too. I don't blame all Jews, but certain groups among them are definitely criminal.

Not to long ago you were talking about atheism and here you are defending an imperialist theocracy.

 

[Zavulon]

Then we can kill them all.

Cool.
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Yes, of course. And they can kill you all. That's the point. Either we all follow certain rules (and orders of certain rulers), either we are in the genocidal war until new set of rules and new world order are established.

 

[Zavulon]

Not to long ago you were talking about atheism and here you are defending an imperialist theocracy.

I don't defend the USA. And not all religions are equally wrong. And, from my personal point of view, Saudi Wahhabism is much worse than Iranian version of Shii islam. And religious beliefs of current American and Israel rulers seems to be really destructive and disgusting.
Talking about Iranian Revolution it didn't happened as an act of collective madness, nor Iranians were magically enslaved by a Coven of Evil Wisards. There were pretty good social and economic reasons for it. They made their choice because they were in a certain environment. If we change this environment they will change their minds. But they have to do it by themselves, when and only when they are ready (if they are not threatening Russian Federation, of course). I believe in Democracy, in Freedom of choice, Personal Responsibility and Lesser Evil.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yes, of course. And they can kill you all. That's the point. Either we all follow certain rules (and orders of certain rulers), either we are in the genocidal war until new set of rules and new world order are established.

New World Order

You here for the Economic Forum bitches?

 

[Zavulon]

New World Order

You here for the Economic Forum bitches?

No. I don't mean any specific New World Order. I just said, that after destruction of the Old Order, there is a war, and then - a New Order.

 

[justoffal]

I can't believe this guy and his team have taken us to war. Not only that, but their plans, or lack of any real plans that they all can agree on, keep falling by the wayside. Only the defenders and apologists of Trump seem to have their act together - and that act is to attack anyone and everybody who tries to question the seemingly lack of a Trump strategy here. Sure, we see the successes of US military tactical operations, but any clear strategy seems to be guided by Trump's mercurial nature -- his love of chaos.

Trump Threatens Iran as His Plan for Strait of Hormuz Disintegrates

Trump is warning that Iran will be “blown off the face of the earth.”

newrepublic.com

It’s clear Trump’s plan to take control of the Strait of Hormuz wasn’t well thought out. Did Trump really expect the Iranian government to just cave to his demands?

On Monday afternoon, shortly after begging South Korea to join the war following the attack on its ship, the president announced that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan Caine will hold a press conference Tuesday morning.

This has become a catastrophe....
Iran had many more military options than previously thought...now they have introduced a fleet of mini subs that are an absolute danger to anything floating in their proximity....

This thing needs to end yesterday

 

[justoffal]

At least 5 were sunk that day.

They have hundreds I am told....

 

[eagle1462010]

This has become a catastrophe....
Iran had many more military options than previously thought...now they have introduced a fleet of mini subs that are an absolute danger to anything floating in their proximity....

This thing needs to end yesterday

I dont buy it. But id have to see Centcom damage reports on their coastal harbors.

Our eyes in the sky can see pretty much everything.

 

[markef]

Yes, of course. And they can kill you all. That's the point. Either we all follow certain rules (and orders of certain rulers), either we are in the genocidal war until new set of rules and new world order are established.

Jesus will prove who is right when He returns to destroy His enemies.

 

[justoffal]

I dont buy it. But id have to see Centcom damage reports on their coastal harbors.

Our eyes in the sky can see pretty much everything.

We must have submarines that can hunt those yes?

 

[toomuchtime_]

I don't defend the USA. And not all religions are equally wrong. And, from my personal point of view, Saudi Wahhabism is much worse than Iranian version of Shii islam. And religious beliefs of current American and Israel rulers seems to be really destructive and disgusting.
Talking about Iranian Revolution it didn't happened as an act of collective madness, nor Iranians were magically enslaved by a Coven of Evil Wisards. There were pretty good social and economic reasons for it. They made their choice because they were in a certain environment. If we change this environment they will change their minds. But they have to do it by themselves, when and only when they are ready (if they are not threatening Russian Federation, of course). I believe in Democracy, in Freedom of choice, Personal Responsibility and Lesser Evil.

You clearly believe in nothing. You hate the US and Israel for reasons you clearly do not understand and that's why you make bullshit posts like this one.

 

[Zavulon]

You clearly believe in nothing.

I believe in science (more or less), in importance of reality, in lack of supernatural things and so on...

You hate the US and Israel for reasons you clearly do not understand and that's why you make bullshit posts like this one.

I don't hate US and/or Israel. I do love Americans as individuals, many of them are smart, cute, hard-working and pragmatic people. I do love American culture, from ten my favourite writers at least seven are Americans I do enjoy American music and American movies. But when I actually came to the USA, or when I actually talk with local guys by Internet, I can't avoid the question: "What happened with America? What evil curse turned their shining cities in piles of garbages infected with bums and drug-addicts, and their politicians either in degenerative clowns, or in a bunch of howling human-hating bloodthirting monsters?"
Ok, I don't believe in curses, so I try to find a more or less natural cause. And one of the obvious reasons to blame, or, at least, thinking about it first (for an atheist) are religion and lack of education. Smart and pragmatic guys turned their country in a shithole because of their religion (or religions). Old story. And what about American religion? There are many of them, and most of them are more or less same as in Eurasia. But two of them are very different. First - Environmentalism (Read Roderick Nash, "Wilderness and the American Mind", and Michael Crichton "The State of Fear") Second - American "Christian Zionism" (you can start with Bart D. Ehrman, "Armageddon: What the Bible Really Says about the End").

May be, I'm wrong, and it's not a cause. May be, there are other, even more destructive things, hidden somewhere in the shadows.


Now, talking about Israel. I do love Jews, my dad was a Jew, and I often consider on my account the heritage of Zebulun tribe and all thise things both good and bad people say about Jews, but I do think that culture is more important than blood. American and Russian Jews are, first of all, American and Russian, and only then Jews. Of course, I don't like freaks to whom my Ukrainian mom was more important than my Jewish dad, or my Jewish dad was more important than my Ukrainian mom. All those clowns with their "pure blood" theories, I consider them really disgusting. Some of them are my relatives and I do know what I'm talking about. And this ideology was wrong for Germany, it's wrong in Russia and America, and it can't be right in Israel, either. What is worse for the State of Israel, from my point of view, is inability of the current regime to manage proper life on the occupied territories (may be, as a result of their religious and ideological disbeliefs) and rather sooner than later, this way leads Israel into another catastrophe. If Bibi wants to destroy Israel (or, at least, doesn't care about it) and I want to make it safer, does it mean that I hate Israel?

 

[The Duke]

I believe in science (more or less), in importance of reality, in lack of supernatural things and so on...


I don't hate US and/or Israel. I do love Americans as individuals, many of them are smart, cute, hard-working and pragmatic people. I do love American culture, from ten my favourite writers at least seven are Americans I do enjoy American music and American movies. But when I actually came to the USA, or when I actually talk with local guys by Internet, I can't avoid the question: "What happened with America? What evil curse turned their shining cities in piles of garbages infected with bums and drug-addicts, and their politicians either in degenerative clowns, or in a bunch of howling human-hating bloodthirting monsters?"
Ok, I don't believe in curses, so I try to find a more or less natural cause. And one of the obvious reasons to blame, or, at least, thinking about it first (for an atheist) are religion and lack of education. Smart and pragmatic guys turned their country in a shithole because of their religion (or religions). Old story. And what about American religion? There are many of them, and most of them are more or less same as in Eurasia. But two of them are very different. First - Environmentalism (Read Roderick Nash, "Wilderness and the American Mind", and Michael Crichton "The State of Fear") Second - American "Christian Zionism" (you can start with Bart D. Ehrman, "Armageddon: What the Bible Really Says about the End").

May be, I'm wrong, and it's not a cause. May be, there are other, even more destructive things, hidden somewhere in the shadows.


Now, talking about Israel. I do love Jews, my dad was a Jew, and I often consider on my account the heritage of Zebulun tribe and all thise things both good and bad people say about Jews, but I do think that culture is more important than blood. American and Russian Jews are, first of all, American and Russian, and only then Jews. Of course, I don't like freaks to whom my Ukrainian mom was more important than my Jewish dad, or my Jewish dad was more important than my Ukrainian mom. All those clowns with their "pure blood" theories, I consider them really disgusting. Some of them are my relatives and I do know what I'm talking about. And this ideology was wrong for Germany, it's wrong in Russia and America, and it can't be right in Israel, either. What is worse for the State of Israel, from my point of view, is inability of the current regime to manage proper life on the occupied territories (may be, as a result of their religious and ideological disbeliefs) and rather sooner than later, this way leads Israel into another catastrophe. If Bibi wants to destroy Israel (or, at least, doesn't care about it) and I want to make it safer, does it mean that I hate Israel?

You've been deluded by The Great Deluder.
Idk what else to say.
What you need to say is "Get thee behind me, Satan, in the name of Jesus Christ."
I know that much.

 

[The Duke]

They have hundreds I am told....

We've blown up hundreds.

 

[Zavulon]

You've been deluded by The Great Deluder.
Idk what else to say.
What you need to say is "Get thee behind me, Satan, in the name of Jesus Christ."
I know that much.

It won't work. I don't believe neither in Satan, nor in Jesus Christ. What is more important, degradation of America (and may be it's future fall) is your problem, not mine. If you think, that God will save America, while Americans may do nothing to help themselves - ok, it's you funerals.