Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

[Meriweather]

Assuming that is true, I don't know the answer, I could only speculate.

Speculation: being associated with an enemy of Rome might not be good for one's health, but, after a period of time, no one cared about a dead rebel or his scattered followers.

Why would you have been one who didn't care?

 

[alang1216]

Why would you have been one who didn't care?

Not sure I understand the question. It was the Romans who cared about hunting down rebels. If they didn't sweep you up while you were with Jesus, you were probably safe.

 

[Meriweather]

Not sure I understand the question. It was the Romans who cared about hunting down rebels. If they didn't sweep you up while you were with Jesus, you were probably safe.

If no one cared about a dead rebel, then the authorities would have no one to hunt. Why would you have been one who didn't care? In other words, was it because you didn't want to be hunted, so you stopped caring; or, had you never cared for Jesus or his message? If the latter, why?

 

[alang1216]

If no one cared about a dead rebel, then the authorities would have no one to hunt.

Most Jews didn't follow Jesus and didn't subscribe to his apocalyptic message. They didn't consider him a messiah since he was not what they expected their messiah to be.

Why would you have been one who didn't care? In other words, was it because you didn't want to be hunted, so you stopped caring; or, had you never cared for Jesus or his message? If the latter, why?

I you mean Jesus' followers, they cared but neither the Jewish authorities nor the Romans considered them a threat.

Does that answer your questions, I'm not sure I know what you're asking.

 

[Meriweather]

Most Jews didn't follow Jesus and didn't subscribe to his apocalyptic message. They didn't consider him a messiah since he was not what they expected their messiah to be.

Old news--centuries old, in fact. I wasn't asking about them, I was asking about you. I understand their position; I'm working towards understanding yours.

 

[Meriweather]

I you mean Jesus' followers, they cared but neither the Jewish authorities nor the Romans considered them a threat.

Does that answer your questions, I'm not sure I know what you're asking.

I am saying, put yourself in that place at that time. You seem to be saying people didn't care, so Roman's had no one to pursue. I am asking you, why in that situation, you wouldn't care what happened to Jesus. Is it because you wouldn't want authorities knocking on your door?

 

[alang1216]

I am saying, put yourself in that place at that time. You seem to be saying people didn't care, so Roman's had no one to pursue. I am asking you, why in that situation, you wouldn't care what happened to Jesus. Is it because you wouldn't want authorities knocking on your door?

I wouldn't wish crucifixion on anyone but I suspect I would have written him off as a kook preaching about the end of the world. I bet you would have too.

 

[BreezeWood]

Nice bit of Roman spin to try and make Pilate look like a nice guy.

unbelievable accusing the religious itinerant of sedition against who could have them crucified for no reason at all were that the course of events ...

who would deny the jews who willingly went so low to chose barabbas to insure jesus would be put to death is definitely gong to have their hands full at the heavenly gates.

wake up - nice guy would be who knew judaism, et al is being repudiated during that time and the reason to keep jesus alive.

 

[Meriweather]

I suspect I would have written him off as a kook preaching about the end of the world. I bet you would have too.

Jesus wasn't proclaiming the end of the world, but the forgiveness of sins. He teaching that the Kingdom of God was within the reach of everyone, and called everyone to discern the will of God and follow it. He said God was a Father to us. He was also encouraging everyone to truly love those who lived around them--to the point of praying for one's enemies. He talked about the blessings of living the Beatitudes. Since Jesus' words reached me and appealed to me in my own time to the extent I have incorporated them into my own life, I suspect the same would have happened for me at that time. As Jesus' words have not reached or appealed to you in your present time, I'm sad, but not surprised, you predict suspect they wouldn't have reached out to you then, either.

By the way: End times was old news in Jesus' day. It had been being talked about for about six hundred years by then.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus wasn't proclaiming the end of the world, but the forgiveness of sins.

jesus never claimed forgiveness for sins - they taught to sin no more as the only means to be admitted to the everlasting ... something desert dwellers are loathed to ever accomplish.

 

[ding]

Right it was an existing concept in Mithraism, the secret mystery religion of the Roman government and military.

A blasphemous abomination and anathema to everything Jewish, everything Jesus and his disciples believed.

But the superstitious gentile world ignorant of Jewish thought and belief took the bait like fish under water.

Good thing we have 24,000 written manuscripts detailing why the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

 

[ding]

I wouldn't wish crucifixion on anyone but I suspect I would have written him off as a kook preaching about the end of the world. I bet you would have too.

Not after witnessing the miracles.

 

[ding]

Assuming that is true, I don't know the answer, I could only speculate.

Speculation: being associated with an enemy of Rome might not be good for one's health, but, after a period of time, no one cared about a dead rebel or his scattered followers.

Or they realized he was God incarnate. In fact, if I’m not mistaken Paul actually walked through this dilemma.

 

[there4eyeM]

Many fruitful constructive contributions to human society have been and continue to be made by homosexuals.

Thats a fact.

A fact that has nothing to do with the exceptions in nature. Of course, humans can make contributions to their societies.

 

[alang1216]

Jesus wasn't proclaiming the end of the world, but the forgiveness of sins. He teaching that the Kingdom of God was within the reach of everyone, and called everyone to discern the will of God and follow it. He said God was a Father to us. He was also encouraging everyone to truly love those who lived around them--to the point of praying for one's enemies. He talked about the blessings of living the Beatitudes. Since Jesus' words reached me and appealed to me in my own time to the extent I have incorporated them into my own life, I suspect the same would have happened for me at that time. As Jesus' words have not reached or appealed to you in your present time, I'm sad, but not surprised, you predict suspect they wouldn't have reached out to you then, either.

By the way: End times was old news in Jesus' day. It had been being talked about for about six hundred years by then.

In my opinion, Jesus' message has evolved and much of what you attribute to Jesus' message was added after his death.

 

[hadit]

So you believe that Jesus paid the penalty for your sins and celebrate his death, yay!,

Actually, we mourn His death and celebrate His resurrection. Did you forget that?

even though you openly display all of the signs of a person under the condemnation of God for setting aside Divine Law?

Setting aside? Far from it. Jesus fulfilled that law and set us free in a new covenant.

Tell us, how much of the Mosaic Law are you following every day and what are you going to do about all the times you broke it? Does your HOA allow you to sacrifice animals? And, of course, you don't follow the whole Law, you pick and choose those pieces you find acceptable for yourself and ignore the others.

Thats like celebrating the execution of an innocent man because of crimes that you committed. Do think God is stupid?

No one in their right mind thinks God is stupid, that would be dumb. When an innocent man dies in our place and rises from the grave to take away the sin of the world, of course we celebrate His resurrection.

Some "faith" you have going on. I'm sure that Jesus is very impressed by your deep and abiding love for him.

I am.

And now you descend into your inevitable attempts to deflect from your failed assertions onto me. Face it, I'm not trying to impress you with my faith or love for Jesus, that's between Him and me. Obviously, you react strongly to what I write and it displeases you.

Now, I have nuked your contention about why Pilot executed Jesus and you refuse to deal with it. That tells me a lot.

 

[ding]

In my opinion, Jesus' message has evolved and much of what you attribute to Jesus' message was added after his death.

That doesn’t explain the change in behaviors of the apostles or the first Christians worshiping Jesus as God immediately after his resurrection. It didn’t start later. It began immediately after his resurrection.

 

[Meriweather]

In my opinion, Jesus' message has evolved and much of what you attribute to Jesus' message was added after his death.

For example? And, evolved by whom, and why?

Did you also note that many of his teachings were already the precepts of Judaism?

 

[alang1216]

Not after witnessing the miracles.

That's a given. If I had witnessed miracles performed by Jesus I would have been a true believer. Show me a miracle today and I'm a believer.

 

[ding]

That's a given. If I had witnessed miracles performed by Jesus I would have been a true believer. Show me a miracle today and I'm a believer.

The universe popping into existence being hardwired to produce intelligence all of which was improbable. Life coming from inanimate matter. Man knowing right from wrong and when he violates it not abandoning it but instead rationalizing he didn’t violate it.